PAGE ELEYLEN * WW flllARljflTTliTfiwfl TYUARYITAN IJPPOSITION LEADER ANAL YZES THE‘ E110 GE Continued from page 9 l i Mr. Saunders fiazy m the course of my remarks on the Draft Address I dealt with this matter again. My hon.~ friend the mdcr of the Government, who rm. [owed rne in the debate, came out with some statement, of a_~ver‘y Vague and general nature. with regard to a meeting of a commission of experts to be held some time this fall. He intimated that the Government would have an opportunity o: pro. seating our claims before that body, and that they would pass on a. rec- ommendation to the Federal Cov- ernment. lily hon. friendnppearrd to me to be very hazy on the subject he did not appear to have a very clear knowledge of what might hap- pen or what the course might he, l have since made‘ enquiries flum the other Provinces, and l have not been able to find that they have any knowledge of this board to which my hon. ‘friend referred. Apparently, than, these experts are to be appoint- rd to deal only with the subsidy claims of this Province. If so it is a most remarkable course to take I; i; without precedent. Time and Lilli: again We have had delegations from [practically every Government the‘. has been in powey since Confedera- tion, going to Ottawa. to deal with this matter; and they have always dealt either with the-Ministers or more frequently with a sub-com- mittee 0i’ the Privy Council. And, of tourse. there is not any reascn for any other way. The only reason why l cvcr sugested a. commission of cc:- |~crts was because all the intcrcstg of the different Provinces would have to be considered, because a. great deal of data would have to be prepare-ti and presented and a great many fin- ancial considerations would he in- volved before u proper cnirrlusioh rnuld be arrivbd if. 1t might be that the matter ceitid best be dealt wi,h byjhe Supreme Court of Canada. especially if theyhad the advice and assistance oi ‘expert assessors and accountants on matters of pure m. iilimetlc. No Ccrroboraticn But there ts the slttiotion. We fiml flat when the pressure from the teachers began, when the time l'ur making some sort of public announce- ment was getting close, the leader ot the Government gocs to Ottawa, ccmcs back with this word which ht- rcceivcd apparently in private from the Federal Minister, and we have this announcement ntly made to the teachers. I submit, Mr. Speak- cr, that had the teachers received any ground of assurance that my hon. friend was sincere, that he had actually made substantial Drogrcss and had a fair opportunity of suc- cess, they would have trcatcd the nlatter reasonably, this strike would Iwver have come so near materializ- ing as it did and they would have gone back to their work with con- tented miuds. But the leader of thc Government was not able to givc thcri any concrete assurance. ln other Words, he had no corroboration, (Ap- plause.) i Corroboratton is a very important thing. as my hon. friend knows from his experience at law. It is very °l' ten required. Many cases have b"'--- non-suited for want of corroborative evidence. If, then, the leader of the Government had been able to corrob- orate his statements in any Wily. "w teachers certainly would have accept- ed his proposal and they would have gone back to their duties. But un- fortunately for the leader of the Gov- ernment, unfortunately for this 11"" vlnce, he was not able, or he did not choooe, to produce that corrobora- tion. I, ‘myself, attempted to 1155151 him out, of the dliilcuity by plume on the Order Paper a request that he table the correspondence in connec- tion with this matter; because x can- not conceive, and I do‘ not think any man in this province can 000C611"; how he could be actively and ener- setioeuy engaged in pres-sins the claims of this province for subsidy throughout the year, without beinz able to produce correspondence J0 that effect. Bulineeihrls not done in that way nowadayiq be were doing hi: full duty iu the tter he would not only be oorreepondin; With 0"‘ town. but be vvoulibe tekinl It "P In the most active‘ we! with the other. provinces of Canada. and es- lminiirwitb the other two Milli-III" nwmeu. n u m: import-at "u" we should know this: vvrv lmwm"! for this province to know vvhet er or Int my hon. friend bu been attempt-- for at hut u. eel-owni- ""11 °‘" eivteuprovineu of Nova Booth ml! my Brunswick. ii‘ ‘cream semen- oviwflvn"! .~ ‘A; we Q11 may, the Province 0!, Nova seem irin u bad we! film“ eiliil. lult as thie Province is. They cannot p , we»... no m m dire need e1 humanely-xii 1 M" "i °“ a .un.ui<it-.c.e‘9'eume out n. use end of the their Provincial subsidies. Now if this shibholcth of “Twp Govemmems 1n line" were oi any value at all, if my hon. friend was in earnest and was Pfvlmred to put aside his pflfly mu. ties. look at the great opportunity he would have! The only Premier In the Maritime Provinces in line with the Governmental. Ottawa! What a. benefit he would be to the Maritime Provinces if he had used that priv- 5103c to assist our sister Province; by the sea! (Applause) But we have no reason to believe that he did. lie has not even told us that he did! 2c hm not taken us into his confi- deucc in the slightest degree; and 1 say, upon his silence on that account if on no other, that the blame must rcst with this Government for the teachers‘ strike. (Applause) My hon. friend says that to place in the hands of the people of this Province tlic details of his endeavors during the past year to obtain an increase in provincial subsidy would not be in the public intcrestnlt was not in the public interest that the pcuplo should know what he had been doing in the public interest, in the interest of tin: teachers, in the inter- crt of incrcascd revenue forthls Pro- tine?! boiler that this information be airp- prrsscd, il.at the public should not know anything about it. 1's that a reasonable statement, Mr. Speaker? is it n statement oi a man who is cnxlcuvoring honestly and squarely to do his lzcst in the public interest’! Why shouidrft the public see these letters? Are we in danger of we: bctwccn the Provinces, or between this Province and the Dominion 0i Canada? Are the diplomatic rela- tions s» straincd and so delicate that it would he dangerous to lot the peo- ple sore the correspondence? (Loud applause.) The People Lcft in The Dark This Province does not know where it, stands with regard to increased subsidy. It docs not know whether the (lovcrrnncnt which it elected to power is doing anything, or whether thcy arc simply lying down on the job cr doing something even worse. It may be that, my hon. friend does not. wish to trouble, to worry, to an- noy, the Ministers at Ottawa. lf that. is his position, the public should know it. lie should let us KlwW. and some other method could be adopted at once of pressing this mat- tcr of subsidy, No other interests should stand in the way, public or private. The mutter is too serious i0 be [flayed withyit is too vital to IF low any political camouflage to en- tcr into it for a moment. Our argu- ments, my hon. friend admits, are irrefutable. Then why the delay? 1t, docs not rest on the shoulders of the Federal Government, because we have the word oi the Prime Minister cf‘ Canada. on the floor of the lloillfi of Commons to that effect. lie him- self placed the blame where lt b6- longs, and it rests on the shoulders of the Government of this Provlllfl that this matter has not been press‘; ed. W111’ NOT? That is the 111$’ lion which will not down. Are the people of this Province _io be treet- cd us children by my hon. 1110111? Arc they to be excluded from the confidence of the Government ll! h“! _,; ;'~r'.' Can not the correspondence -if '. . _ . any-be published? l almost ice. Zlke venturing the state- ment that there is no correspondence. M; speaker, when we take lfltil 00"‘ ‘dcratlon all the facts and circum- stances. (Loud 1111111110599 Found A Surplus. Left A Deficit With regard to the financial situa- tion, I um not going to weary the Hgugg with g, great array of figures. I do not think it is wise. The people of‘ this Province study the Public accounts and they are in a 1113mm‘ to judge for themselves of the fill- anclal position as there set forth. I made one general statement 10st night, however, which I shall repeat: that when this Government came In- to power they found a surplus in the treasury. I am not mlililfll m" statement on my own authority merely, it is made on the authority of their m“, auditors, appointed by them t9 re-audit thefitceounts the moment they come into. power. Accordllll VJ the audit of Messrs Poole and Scarf-h l, w“ ghowntghat, there vu a small gurplus in the treasury at thlit 91ml- Then we might tum to the reveri- o! the Provincial Auditor; a realism“ with when! have no m" ‘t’ "M? u cgpable ofllciai who is. I W119"- entirely acceptable to this Govern- ment; at lelat they nv w- °fl We ii of his ttatement of exrfllliuiilfl. revenue and liability 1w the W" 1'" it is stated that the increase of debt in 1921 was 8159.1011- I do‘ not need to deal with that my further. Tint is couch-ire. We left a eurpliu in the It ti! expiration of our term of oflloe. Ill year with an increase in Geld-If If“- aeehy 0100.000. or eeuno. merit- . . animus" . , m ~ ,4; lie says, in effect, that it is‘ in the face oi the statements of their own auditors. If further corrobora- tlim i5 ‘ ’, however. it is contain- ed 1n their record for this year, where they cannot blame anyone but; them. selves for the expenditures incurred. The? had full control from January until December, and they again‘ lu- creued the debt, according to the same auditor's report: only this-year it is not referred to n lfdebt at all, it is called "liability." What, a mar- vellous metamorphosis! What a won- derful transformatlonl The very same thing which was a debt in 1927 was converted into o. "liability" m 1928. (Laughter) I don't know what they will call it next year. Voice: A surplus! (Increased laugh- ter.) < Hon. Mr. Stewart: Yes, I suppose that will be the end oi it. At any rate the increase in liability in 1928 Wu $192,845. Surely that is corrob- oration of the responsibility which we placed on their shoulders for 19117. What have we got as a result? A total increase in debt, or in mixed debt and "liability" of $351,714. And that wonder! ‘ result, Mr. Speaker. was brought about by a gentleman who raised his hands to heaven and made the walla of this House sound with his denunciation of’ the Conser- vative Government because we had gone behind to the tune of about $41,000 a year. That is the diflerence between criticism and implementa- tion. That. is the difference between being outside and looking in, and be- ing inside and looking out. A man may be a very “strong" man when he is outside, looking in; and he may be very weak when he is inside looking out. A Comparllon sjuppose we take that record for‘ two years, what would it amount to? My hon. friends can figure that out for themselves, but I shall give them an example of how other records have been figured which may assist them. In 1927 the present leader of the Government, speaking on the budget, stated that we had gone be- hind in our full term of four years; he figured it out in three different ways and arrived at three different results. When he came to the third. however. he said: "This is true"; and the result was $494,000. That must be true, Mr. Speaker, since he said so; and that covered the four years of our administration. Now, let vs take the result this year. an increase in debt or liabllity—or both-of $192,645. and multiply it by four. You will find, I think, that. it will exceed $494,000.. A: n. nutter of fact, it will pretty nearly double that amount. That, I submit, ls a pretty fair comparison between the two records so for as they have gone. But in the one of my hon. friend, the record is going to be worn. because last year he- budgeted for a deficit of $15,000 and this year he is auticlpathig practically $30,000 of deficit, This matter of increase in the debt of the Province. apart altogether from politics. is a very serious one. Just let us examine the figures for a mo- ment. In I918. the debt of the Pro- vince-or the liability, if you Wish to call it their-was $985,262. Ten years went by. and in 1928 it was $2,382,- 199. In other words. we increased the total debt in teuyeui-u to the tune of $1,396,837: more than double. Road Expenditures The great; difficulty, so far as the debt is concerned. is with regard to public road expenditures. If you take away the moneys that have been spent on roads in this Province dur- ing the period I have just mentioned you will find that there has been practically no increase in public debt. Of course, if we were getting ahead it might be excusable. But are we getting ahead? Have we increased ‘the efficiency and quality of our pub- iic roads in proportion to our expendi- ture‘) Both parties have been en- glged in this, and I am not dealins with it from l, partisan standpoint at all. We have in this Province a most serious financial problem on account of oiir road system. We have not mode very much advance, in my op- inion, with regard to permanency. It il true we have constructed some culvert; and iii-lever; all those minis are good and they are worth the motley. Bug apart from that what have vrof Take this road machinery, for example; it is only a very tem- porary expedient at the best. Take our highways that have been con- ltruoted. both under the Bell Gov- ernment and our own.’ How long. after L11. will thl! etlnd if left alone? What permanency tvu there in them? We are faced vviththil situation and we do not lee any solution; bug, I submit in all sincerity they it is a proposition which must be comidor- ofvlry ion-newly and carefully. ’ m» ml! fl our debt increasing, but. u a corollary of that. our inter- est charge is also increasing. I wou- (ier new may of our people have e!- emmldtoleel-luvrmuohvvemoli- "9 119W Dllyllli; $74,000. As rt matter of fact we ore paying almost double "181 llmfllilll; $117,355, l0 be exact. Next year we will pay about $123,- 000 for interest charges oiofic; as was spent altogether, a few years ago, in the Department of Pub- lic Works, The $74,000 in the Pub- lic Accounts only takes in the nutcr- est we pay on bank ovcrilraft, short loans and some of the ‘debenture debt. The bond issues for highways are paid, as you ‘know, from the motor vehicle earnings, and consequently they do not. appear as interest char- ges at all; nevertheless we are pay- ing that additional interest. \Vc would , have that, much more rcvcnuc if we, did not have to pay that lliiPffliti charge. And that is going to keel)! power; bccausc the moment he be-Hhus “mm. n, “m, ,-,.3,,,._.L_ He Hug,“ doubling up ycai‘ nftcr your. "that is. the suuamcn’ am‘ ‘i- is a dmqmcliwgWlffi 101d that 1110 MR5 BIN] dilvkcnb, has dune gcnciullly to ]ll't)lii(.il(' agri- one. Funding Systrm My hon. friend said SOllllillilli; the other night with reg-aid Lo the iunrl- ing of the public dzrbt. We have ‘ a: limited funding system ruivx. oi course. IL i" quite true that our Sl'l"- p v ° ‘belongs, and that is to the iuti-ui- WU _ “up, ,A,,,,;_,,,,,.,_ ing fund system will not lzikc mic oi ‘ all our bonds as Lhcy mature, but they are taking care oi 111cm par‘,- laiiyi i would likp to rcmind my hon. friend, since he has rcicrrcd to this mutter, that whcn \‘.‘c, cxunc ma.) powci" the sinking funds \\'t‘i'C 11H! being funded, the money v.11; goiufl‘ into revenue and wo W810 losing ail the benefit oi the sinking fund Sri- tem by that PSYIlICLOLLt sysicul that‘ had crept, in. "i Tcn years ago. as I scicl before, we‘ were only paying zibolli. ha" of in‘: interest that. v.1» ma: t.>d1v, Our debt and our i!l'- :c'~t 11.1w 11:11 -- ticaliy doublcd in l-‘ii iTT-‘Bl l"\‘l what have we got for ii? My hcn. fricnd marl;- suuh‘. (‘Nu- parison ins; nigh‘ with 1 ‘(i-to til-r different dcprriznc . l suihziiit tiara’. his statements w ' ll: was merely coznrarlng l . J1 himself; his record in 132.’ wkli i115 record in i928. \V: will grant that lie has made $01111‘, iniprovcziizmt, that , he has 1iroflicd in some little d:- grcc by his cxprricucc. so Bill; 1 would rather maize a conpai e tween c. yccr of . emmcnUs ndlllillici‘. year; and u.‘ ordcr ta bu 11.; nearly fair as 112s. ole I will tube the lad? ycai" in which the lWCTilJllS guvz": ment was in power. My lllill, lrl: '. in making companions bu‘. "ccu Lin‘ two acimiliiszrstiuli. on a lf>l‘lll(‘l' r.:~, casion. said tin‘. the f.u.ii‘._v bu:l_,l-t had nut vurirzt miltcvially so i.ir cos; is ccnccrncfl, and we ciu the same in making u CJllil)5".'i:i(l‘.l between the ycals 13:0 illlii 132i), 11:0 cost of governing has w: . in that time, and 192i‘. i; ill? ncai- est full ycor we can _ Conservative comp present adlninisirzzlioz‘. (luring 1031i. p2", Tii all; Dcpariincnt cf Jnrdicc ,hv|, h: was vcry emphatic about r h" - ‘cti have lrein donc away with. me he would contradict that state- rncnt. I can almost hear his dCCi1llll' niifilli “The idea! when the potatoes were grown so well, when the chick- ens were fattening and the lamb tasted so nice, to say that this Gov- ernment is not doing anything for agriculture. Prcposterous!" And yo: there are the cold facts. We have not Anothcr promise was "to thorough- l)‘ test the feasibility of establishing the canning industry in this Prov- ince." I would like to get some 1n- furnfation on that ma.tcr. Unfur- rowcd $150,000 for grave-ling. Tiicy did that undcr statute; they took statutory authority; they passed an act in this House which empowered thcm to borrow $300,000 for gravel- tilnatcly. tho lc1idci~ 0i the Goverir, mg the roads They borrowed half of menu has oircudy spoken, and tile i that. but they only spent $83,000. Thc- il there was any money to be spent. on_ Prince Edward Island it should“ not be spent. 0n highway improve- ment but on railway extenglpg, I! necessary I can produce the Hansard report of his speech to that eflect. There i5 i111 example of Goygrnmgntg Minister of Agriculture i; nm hero. rcst wcnl into what might be uapcdwin |ine-._““S Government pawn‘ . l am going to ask the ltiinistcr 0t ordinary revcnuc. There l5 no rec- BHY 610601100. 11111055 we are to credit Public Works, when he speaks in tins-turd of it being expended tor gravel. the Minister of Agriculture with ha‘.- ing- accomplished these things. I have the highest regard for that hcu. gentleman, but my regard for him is‘ not hlsh enough to Dluce himbcsidci Providence. I have not got to the‘ point where I can glorify him as the‘ loader of the Government did, attri- buting to him almost supernatural,‘ came ltlinister of Agriculturc- wcl‘ grew bcltcr in flavor and quality. the; potatoes thrived and the butter and» cheese cl c v e lo p e fl miraculously. (Laughter) We know just to whom‘ to give thc credit for those things. ~ n i5 dub‘ and Wm b6‘ Ewell by "Bllfllaiislv he canno; do ll. ’l‘ii“rc is n:- sanc person to the people to whom it gent farming community of this I'm- vincc: to their ciiorts and to them, alone. We would have the Skill?‘ quality oi potatoes, of lamb, and c: clziclzcne ii we ncvci" haci a Minis-t): oi Agricullilrc, so far as that go's. My iltJil, friend from West Ilivci HUI] .l\l'.l..ci’a"c ‘ ill ‘czi! , . “ 1 =' ) 15 a ‘l5 “m?” or murc tluzn our uhon: rcvcnuc that he from his religious principles as uitunpt to give credit to the blink- wiil not depart so very mum to _tcr of Agriculture instead of to Pro- vidence for the good growing conrli "cm! Lfipplnusc). Agrlruiiliral Courscs lilsconiinuznl ‘I've now acting lliuislci- ul‘ A111» miiurc (lion. Mr. Saunders; 1m. made thb siatement-z that they 111-‘ i-,i'"1'.c.i lilo activities oi tin]. (lamin- men‘. \.ndcr lilo technical or agricul- illlTli grant; tlzar, they have Cllidl the 1c 0i‘ illcir work and nfidsfi debate, as 1 know lic will. to get this, infcrlnaiioli for us. lie knows sumw‘ thing about cunning; iic is a. canncr himself. tI am afraid he will im- ish by canning Lilo road machincsiv! (Laughter). At any rate, he ought to be able to tc-ii us soznctliing about‘ the cirnniilg 0i hiilcbcrrics and what experiments, ti‘ any, the Government tcll us also who; Lilo Government cilitilrni t'(lllt'i‘.ll(.il since they came into power. l will not inflict on my ilcn. friend the lczldcr ui the Gov- ernment. tlic punishment ui attempt- iiil,’ to give that answer, because l l c‘ on liiizi that on.“ to iziws; Public Vvorks I our going to dl- .=; for a li\fi‘.“.~ cm. the subject u. public wo Lust ynr the total cxptfhtllttllv; llit- Ucpiirllinli‘. ul PUCil" was [llllqllikiily $000.0uu; ;1§ mum 1-,; u lily hon, iiknd ins. i0 maize .111} roan-I t” L . iuv years night attempts t4 i tron of tile in nig. The some thing occurrcd in con-l ncction with the Cardigan icrry‘ boat. The loan was for an expendi- ture of $20,000. There was! an actual expenditure of somcl $14500 on that boat. We , do not know how railch is still duci: the iTnl. of it is not carried over, a; it should have bccn, in a separaie account and shown to he on hand and kept in trust. That money was‘ borrowed undcr the authority of .11 statute pained in this Legislature. It is virtually a trust account and should be kept separate. On tin-- contrary, li0'.l‘l‘\‘i‘l‘, the, balance is prnc thrown into currcrft revcnrrc, 1h tiu- bout. is nu‘. rot rom- mlci fur and wc do no; know" is Sill] r,-\'.""", All wc know ihtxc i.» 11.1: of that loam sct usulc for tlic iiurpou‘ it. vxns votcd~a yiicrre of‘ mlucli i; clearly a viola- ili‘\'.‘ lllll’: n'“}!li;',1"n(‘c 1 llorrovxinpr. irig-nzls cvtiinntcwl lass: apital CI(}iL‘ll(li.LlZ‘i‘. lion, Ivl _\' imrison bctic. lira‘. , SIYUJH’). ‘fin-y hor- .\n:l the c1: ndltilrc when the ‘Jill; in cXWJsy oi‘ thL-ir ‘ti- _il.".l'l1iil("[ wzz, ill |1U‘\‘.‘(‘2‘, uiizl v, - ' . .ll win-re is the l. .:‘,\f‘$“.' ‘flu-y ti": s11} 11311;, (J;ii..ci".'.lii\t: sliinlrliv. v.1. i‘ Lil (‘MHH-ri‘, ll. "lit" rml the‘ no; any 1.1.1‘ t‘ 11:112. Up n rtnrt ar- lhne \\'.- vslc 1,; fully pg,- t {will Ln: i" l ticxsriiiiislit z l.) funk-r Lil‘. Culli- ‘Je \\".'c i113 _\r~.ir 11ml ‘l‘l;.. hli‘iii\~,‘)' g-uizt usrd up. 13c . ' on \.li.:t v..\.~: inipruvcixv we wore v.‘.‘.il'_».‘ u i oi‘ ll unp rents to the ogreefncnt that _ L, t‘, . wjy: t-mwin r-¢,,,;;-@,,,¢,,y, “'15 1- ‘"39 ‘Ill APYil- 1927. V1110“ tilt‘ which d to ‘cc inf‘; h; n we c. 1d‘ " votive Government “'11s ‘in . 1l\l\.'(.‘i‘. I questioned him on Ill since czfatnluri in.o l-llg clq :1 vcuorcls and I find, cs I 'cx-‘ pccird. that I was right and he was wiiilg. There has been no zirliiitinn; s been nothing added since. ran that, thc act s that‘ wine then provided for or»! labii h- W.‘ onl; have drilled behind, until tli: wictivlty we are noxv carrying n11 11n- dcr that gran it. tile dDlliJ$iiC scicnc‘ courszs for a fcw girls who come int.) Charlottetown. The short ccurscs in wot-d working, in motor nfcrh: inc, fight schools for adults-call t things have bern dropped undcr tie»: prcsrnt administration of this Dc- parlnicnl. We also had fruit expcrl; enlploycd; his appolntmcnt was don: uwny with, and practically evcrytiiiii; C ‘else. Though my lion. friends arc Let, us take for coznparlzcii iv...‘ hon. friend's ov/n-depnrniicizt. 1:1 1026 the cost of the ricpallifzzir. u‘. Justice was 537.191. In 1028 i: was * use of nearly 35- i $42,092; or an in 000. That, 1 submit, is at fair coni- parison. I om not, going to 0"‘ my hon. friend ‘ very scverclyi u regard to this dcpnruncnt, bCFJlL-ii‘ there are things that ‘i “'0, such u"; the number of criminal cases, which affect the cxprnses sommvhut; bu: l‘ just want, to draav ills attcntlun to, the fact that uilcn he bcnwts o.‘ c "zn- i omy he thlilifli. suv tizut his record is i better than the avciugc, to s;_v the least. As n. matter of faci. those dc- partments are being c‘ l‘l.‘.(l on about 1 the some as usual-um! r tlic flircc- 1 tion of lllr. Campbell "a.:e.' icri by tiu- ‘ undersigned." i I might go on and deal Wiiii ilk‘ finances a little itifiilifi‘. I may hate. to refer to them as I go ulony bill‘ at present. I shall collie to the D»- partment of Agriculture. Although l was at one time the acting hlinlsLcr; of Agriculture I shall not venture to‘ follow my hon. irisnds example flllli‘ treat this House to amcxpcrt lecture, on the growhig of potatoes, the qual-i‘ ity of lamb and l0 raising of hcnsi and chickens. I do not think this is the proper time or place for such a lecture. I could not lmip wondcriiia. in as much as~my lion. friend has treated this House twice during this session to the same remarks on this subject, whether it. was an echo 0i something that had happened before, or whether it was by way of practice for something that is to mine. 1t struck me that it was eldier one or the other. Agriculture In 1028 our expenditure in connec- tion lwith the department of Agri- culture was roughly $35,000. The ex- penditure iast year in the same De- partment was $38,000; an increase of $8.000. Not a serious 111611353 or. all; not; an increase that might not be Justified; and on the Whole I am not. making any criticism with rc- gard in that expenditure. But 1 do say that we have nothing to show ing in interest We look up the Pub- tqppted to futon that on our should- "i ‘9m"".‘-‘* “'1'”? for that, expenditure. I know that if! IQDIJQ folio?! , cultural education y ise with respect to agriculture: “To y ing." (the Government. to make a stole- Laking credit for having had this tccii nical gran: applied to agricultural activities. what have thcy to slimv rci- u? What good i", ii to us? Aui soluicly‘ none, under their administrat- lion. We have no agricultural couiscs ‘at all. And yet my lion. tricnds still cozn- ‘ 0i make the welkin ring with lilflifltii about the discontinuance the Ibcinlical ScliooL-an institution that was overluadcd with cxpcnsc. that‘. was burdensome to this Province‘ bcycnd all rcasson. Those agricul- tural coilrscs could still have been u‘ on had the policy of tho Con- sc ive Government bccn contin- ucd. Plans were made and among»- nicntr. wcic effected to this cnd but three mcnsuroa worl- dropped, Th:- rccznlt is that today llicrc is no agri- ln this Province. although We have that grant avail-l uillc undrr tllc recommendations. of; the Duncan Commission. ~ ' ‘ 1n the platform of my hon. friends for 1927 we have this specific prom- C11 prosecute and encourage horse breed- I have not been ableto find out.‘ one single activity with rcgartl to that, nor have I up to the pros- cnt been able to gct any lvlinisicr of incur. on the subject. If they are carrying it on. it is very secretly, Election Promises l . Another plank ‘in their election platform was the promise "to pro- mote the growing of cranberries, blue- berries and small vegetables." The machinery was there when they came into power. The man was there, the best expert», that could be obtained: and the proof is that he is now mak- ing hlsyown living by fruit groom; in this Province since he was dis- missed from the public service by my hon. friends. That was the man who had instructions, when they came in. to carry on experiments with regard to those very matters. Thry not only forgot. their policy in that regard, they not only neglected to implement their promise to fur- ther develop thil industry. but they deliberately dimontinued vvbat was beta: dong. (Apilliiusey by the non" cf lilPlli. u 1131.11.11 . , Jzlazi: 12.1.1 Lr-n dieunnuiiicd and hllfin it would bc i.\ir to lllllkc ll Clillllhili .n ‘Hill l.l.._ _v:z';', the 10.0.1 ospr- ly dun. . . lItn-fiuil any fill’: aliclvgil to su';-‘ "rt ilvzzt n‘? arc ill any bcitcr p. 11..., that uc he. a brticr situation lull: c" if is Lu. Lii(‘_\' hiue built :1: l'r.v bl‘ . 0c Y-iil izive tiitul cred-I ‘ ‘ll iii:- .~;:1:nc hiipliuli ‘ it fa to p \4 ens 3.711s anti (flier fifilnln-' islraticns. l am quite prepared to‘ go iurtlzci" and give them credit (or; u certain amouu; 0t work ihcy dud’ with ilic liccasy l.‘,i".1tiL‘l"5 in widening. tlzc roads, which is an improv lint l do not think tin-n: b; am oziv, outside of thc (lovcrnrncni. ranks‘ ' l have thr hurt il-mifl to make > that this Prozinct- got valve‘ niio ii!‘ \ for that cxpcnflitnro of practically Fliliiifllliii. We have n‘ ' r"ad what their‘ run pally . id ixbout th.‘:i‘| road; .1’. u curtain timc, As I swift‘ bcffrrc, the road niucli " n many} casrs. if‘ u.cd ‘ do the maul; llll‘ "o l.. 111» cupccii 1y ii flu‘). iz-c no‘. Lllotvcd up by s-,..;.\,cq\l-"n 111m: xuii iliiczliloli. That v.3; (‘no coilrlltlon . PF’!- \ ' cl in many c" - l “ ' i110 lfiiiL)\‘.‘-ii',i work \\ . :\‘.l(i< i‘.‘..lfl:' u citili- iilC nlacllilillig i cult r ..:l to travel on. tiruvrlling oi‘ lloitls Thorn is lillOi-ilOl‘ matter in con- “(jgfign mm the Imrpatimclit or 11x1!)- iiz: Works to \\"..if".l I would iikc m, direct the attcntzon oi the That is the nioltcr of grrrvcliing, As I pointed cut lust year, there ‘is to my mind a very scrious doubt whe- ther the borrowing of Public money for gravclllng is justified. 1 do no: think the lvlinistcr of Public W4 xviil suuucst that it molar: pcrmi \- rut roads. I think he will azrvcj llilli me that in the cud the upkcop‘ of the gravcllcd road is more expon- slve than the dirt road, and I bf-‘UBYC the records of public expenditure in other provinces will 1rsovc that. Oi coursc, where the arovcl was laid down last your, if it were properly laid, tlrre should be an improve- ment for two or three years. Wt! know, howcvcr, that the gravcl con- tinually sinks and disappears in the ground, and that it has to be ru- grovelcd; it must be burrowed and scraped, and ‘so many other things are required that run into n, great deal of money. These are things, as 1 submitted before, which have to be taken into consideration when dis- cussing the financial side of gravel- iug roads, cspecially when you have . cnZln-‘r 1101152.‘ to do it with borrovvcd mzncy. Last year this hovemment bor- . fu road lwysivin 0i my iiOil. iricnzla r in; to b: c. v- ‘liiCTiiil ilnnz. 2i llzot l: was gnu; to cf- _, c! lll3i‘..""_ in 151i rcpaiss for roads. cm. the n1. ozncuiic, was find who: (‘.0 " 11!; it was l tear, Mr. S i011‘ lilCjc 110.’: powcr mznnipcs \...'c in opcruiioti? i :.'".:<l bcfarc the‘. thqv had (i"Sl‘.'Df.'- I; "xiv: that as . for the "c. , lnstchd cl‘ forty‘ live tliru 1nd, rzrat 511512110. ‘ e tile figuros in the uvd i; cx- l oi $23,136 w!‘ "t. .5 from illc rnnrl muster» l":prn rliturcs Haunting ‘llll?’ the rurrc. 1111x121; cntrlcs for 19:1’: l'I.“,lJ.i.S. $SJ.~l32. (1 wonder li that i: accounted for by the 1".‘]'lZ\l‘.‘$ to the road m hincsl? Patrol and ' road niaspers and Just lct us coni- parc that, lust itcm: tiiiriccn timuolaxl in 192G, l,\‘\'clii_','-fi\'o tlloilsltrlti in i923. and undcr a system which r. W115 prolnLscd us \\'.Plli(i savc mcn ‘i My lion, fricnds wlicn in Opposition were always dcclzzinlin; 1111:.‘ the Lrcmcndons amount, that i. took ti: pay the rend mowers; unfl hcrc they llilYf‘ pziiil ovrr lnzlf as much zlgain.‘ ‘fnuz, ‘is the rccocd of (hp ordniangv cxhcnditurcs on 1'0‘ * and sun? _\‘ ‘nobody will vcnLurc to .11. lilo‘. wv have u hcl.-.;' (‘i-llflllllilln l u i1- sult of l n.= 'Yl'_‘.tli_\' mcrcarerl fMiSllfii- tilrc. .‘.l_v hon. iricnd nude tliui Siflifilillli‘. iflhl night. of coilizzc, but I Pcopiv lllltw.‘ llnyv know: ll.- ' pram-c, his \‘i\l1iif.‘._ and o. c. they would irii him the mail.- \\'Cl‘c spicndld. Vhy‘ wouldn't tiny.‘ ‘Flicy would tcll him lllfliflClliPCliilil‘ ins own iricnclsv-iio".wilhstuiictilic flu‘ tact that iiltj.‘ Milli»! llironn on‘. o‘. iiliil‘ vi s. ' We lune hoard a good drill almui the advantages of ll0'.‘i‘i‘lllll(“liii he- lng "in lilac", Ilznrc always said that it depends entirely on ihc G0v-, crmncnts; on what, (icivcrnincnt is iii line, and viii-h wliol. I wan: t0 show,‘ you just, hzuv lilc two (iovcrnmcnts "in linc" are wnrlziiig out. at the pi."- scnt timc. l lime a record hcrc. hilt I sltoil notwni‘. to hunt. it lili- Tiicrc was a presentation at this con- ‘ fcrcncr- of 1927 bctwccn the Provinces, and the Dominion of Canada, lllflflfi‘ by thr- prcsrnt Prcmirr of this Pro-f virlce and the lion. Mr. Inlnan, Tirol presentation urgcil very strongly the‘ revival and continuation of the Fod- crnl highway‘ grant to this Province.‘ This Government was than, as it is uow, “in line" with the Federal Gov- ernment; and what was the result? We find that aklcbaied resolution on the very some matter came ‘up ill the House of Commons during the [irescnt session. We find the lion. John E. Sinclair on the floor of the House condemning, the continuation, of ihnt grant and saying that. while. we had it it was more injurious than‘ anything else, because it had lndnc-l eri extravanut expenditure. and that wcrl- b1‘ m: (lotion. 0M Wily. our Federal representative in Parliament pulling another, If that is the way they work together l! it all!’ Wonder. Mr. Speaker, that. we are making such wonderful "hemi- way" with regard to securing in- creased subsidy? (Applause) A Correction Continuing the debate on Friday morning, April 5th, Mr. Stewart said: Bflorc proceeding with the discus- sion in the regular way, I warn; to reicr for a moment to a. charge which was ‘made by the lead,“- of the Government in his budget spceclrthe other evening, when he accused me of making the statement that he had taken a trip to the Ccfst at the public expense, I never 111365‘ any statement in those words 0i lo that purport. I do not know why hc quoted me in that‘ way; his statement Ls entirely without foun- ‘c-r Saunders: I accept your ntcnt. That was the inference I_ crew from your reference. llcri. lifr. Stewart: I have no re~ collection of referring to 1t, I had ‘reference to my hon. friend's trip to Ottawa, bu: I certainly made no com- ircnt wiih regard to the other matter Taxation Whrn ziiis debate was adjourned 1 uiis about to dcrti with the question of ioxaurn. We on this side of the Home have been charged with 113v. ‘Al’! Wdilfvfl the taxes. The charge is perfectly justified; it is quite true. Our friends on the oihq- side d0 not sccin il)"lll1fl'.‘l'SL8lid the reason whv we did it. ‘The immediate reason for our making that reduction does no’. appeal to them. It never did. [t "was because we had yubmiggd the people we would do it. (Applause; The statsmcnt ha: been made that because of our reducing the tgxeg £3105’ how's: not bccn able to incrcase tho teachers’ salaries. Of course that statement has only to be’ con- sidcrcd for a moment, in order that it may be sccn just how ridiculous it The leader of the Government in his bildgat speech mentioned the rtpcul of the poll tax; the; alas one c1‘ lite reasons. lie surely could no‘, Lav:- becn scrions when he mad.- tliu’. szfrizclnent. Hr: must have for. goitrn for a moment that the poll fox was rcpcalcd four ycars before i2;- conic into power. The revenue of tl~t_~ country had been deprived of‘ that source for those four years and during all that time he had been studying the Public Accounts and "Plurlni; the House on this matter. llo certainly could not have had the poll fax revenue in ‘mind when he made his promise to the_ teachers a war ago. for he knew just exactly, where he stood with regard to the poll (ax at that time. lie might just as wcll have taken into coirsiilern- tion o. tax that had been repealed ttvcnty Wars ago. (Applause) lilr. Saunders‘ Attitude Vliiat was lily hon friend's atti- iude with rcgard to this mattcz‘? I would like to ask who it is that l.- cliarging the prcvious Govcrnmcn". \\lil\ tile rcduczizin of tart-cw. In who‘. position (loos he stand ilimscli on this ruins-dour‘! I would like to draw mv friend's BlLClltiUll to the last in which he was lending the Oh- pu iii. I have already‘ rcfcrrcd iu that; anxious sprcch of his in the budget debit:- of i027. and 1~now 34f tilrot his attitude was at that, time with rcgnrd to reduction in taxation? in that speech he charged us with extravagance; he spoke of the in- crrclsrs in rcvcnue that were coming in. An increase in lieu of railway taxation had already been received, ilull. ‘but as a matter of fact he inten- timmliy ignored that $80,000 because he said we were not entitled to it. and therefore it was not part of our rovcnue at all‘. so he made up the dcficit. leaving that 030.000 out cri- lircly. lie was therefore thoroughly aware of the receipt of the $80,000 and he was also thoroughly aware that ue were receiving the $125,000 interim subsidy no recommended by the Duncan Commission. That was a scttlcd matter and he treated it as such in his_speech. With all those things in his mind. Mr. Speaker, let us see what be said on that occasion on the floor of this blouse. First let me refer to hLs statement ‘on the Draft Address as NDG-"iell "t the Patriot of March 19, i091". "As lender of the Liberal party. 1 want to any that one of the planks of the platform of the Lib- eral party if returned to power will be at lent a reduction in the auto tax. and u downward revision of taxation generally, i make this statement and 1 repent it so that there my be no mie- tpie about it." _ --—---- , .-a&.._...4 ., ioontlmilii whit manna a APRIL 1s. 19g _- “A