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hy, they done in that regard? 5
fu-uwehavebeenabletodndou
guey have not even communicate
with Ottawa, or the Federal author-
blur
ities on the matter. Unless somet
is done at this session of the Legis
umm we can certainly charge them
1.
'gm  to implement their`ao
,mn promise to thepeople. It shoul
be selmlaerea that when s peutle
pgty comes before the people of th
pg-qv-lnce and pledges itself as t
mpeg-al party ‘did in 1927 on this sub
yet, some attempt at least would b
made to implement that pronise
it is at all possible. Even if this Gov-
ernment had decided that it was im-
ptmible for them to consider th
scheme financially, they should hav
0 |°l¢l¢l’ of 'this Government would
t even drive ln a car that had come
é out of the “blood money" of tm;
¢°\U\¢\'!» let alone use it for his oem
pleasure and sport. (Applause,
We all admit, Mr. speaker, that
the teachers’ salaries are not nigh, 1
do not believe there is any reason-
able man in this Province who will
3 say that the teachers are paid g uv.
ing wage. I have taken some little
his interest in the educational aifairg of
° this Province, and I have noticed
; time and again the enthusiasm and
M EUBYBY that the school teachers in
the majority of cases throughout. the
Province put into their work and it
e is indeed most discouraging to a good
e mini’ of those people to know that
' o_ there is no prospect for s. livelihood
come into this _House and told us s
They should have given us the infor-
mation. and their reasons. so tha
th 4 le would know the facts fo
° new el they must take into consideration not
themselves. But the idea in this cas
as in many other cases, seems to b
to let this plank dangle in the ai
and do service at another election
We know that at the last election
was of considerable service; it was
always facing those who were oppos-
for them, or of making their profes-
t sion a life work in this Province.
1, When this Commission dee; meet,
e 01111! the entire school system but
1, they must see to it that cur public
school teachers who are taking care
,é of the youth of the land will be pro-
perly paid. There are some excellent
shcool teachers leaving the Province
ear after car because the cannot
l my hon frlelldé. and it may be y y Y
trhvat we shall hear of it again whe
the time for another contest come
around. I think, however, that th
matter should have some considers
If there is nothing wg to be done,
at least let us have that much in
formation. Will the Government hav
the l1'il.l‘\klll!lI to tell the people that
they will not put this plan into op
eration? Then we shall know the po
sltion we are in. (Applause).
-vf
 Thc Educational Problem'
‘l There is another matter on which
I wish to make a few remarks; that
is the educational question, which
has been receiving considerable at-
.tentiorfat this session. The question
_probably has assumed a different
n make a livelihood here, and we should
I have a system whereby those good
L! teachers would be retained. It is a.
noble profession, but you cannot ex-
ti pect any man to sacrifice the chanc-
es he has in life. no matter how pub-
lic spirit/ed he may be, for a profes-
; sion in which he cannot make a. dec-
ent livelihood.
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_ 5 Government Unprcpared
The answer has been given to the
school teachers that the funds of
the Province are not adequate to pay
them an increase. tl was also stated
that an increase to thé"t£achers
would mean an increase in taxation
on the farmers. It has‘even been said
on the floor of this I-louse. that it
would be held against the teachers
that they had threatened to strike.
form than at previous sessions of I do not believe, Mr. Speaker that
the House, which may be accounted
for-_by the manner in which the
teachers have been pressing for an
increase in salaries. I-led they not
made the final effort, and threaten-
ed to strike. _it is possible that this
also might be another matter left
dangling in the air. Up to the pres-
ent time, a compromise has been
‘arranged between the Teachers
Federation and the Government to
have a Commission investigate the
whole educational system and B150
to make suggestions to the Govern-
ment whereby the teachers may be
paid a living wage.
I notice that when the leader 01’
the house was.deali.ng with this mat-
ter of our educational problem, when
he touched on the matter of salaries
cs he did on two occasions, he was
very careful to iell us about the low
salary paid to the Primc Milli-Sttl' °f
this Province. In the Draft Address
he dealt with this mater, and also ln
the budget speech. He told us that
me Prime Munsters salary WHS 01°
lowest of any Prime Minister in
Canada. I do not contradict him 00
tl1stm\tts:,:l.o¢ 1 ulmlr he muht 11-
so-have told this House. I-S W° ‘“
know that the leader of the Govern-
ment in not satisfied with one port-
folio, but that he has reached out
and taken s. second, with another
very fair salary of $1500 added to the
$2.000 which he receives as P¢’lm0
Minister. And that is not all, Mr-
Speaker, I would not brinll ml! mm'
ter up if it had not been “Sed 5°
strongly, to my mind, to show that
the teachers' salaries were PFUPHNY
high ough, 1 think that was the
idea vxich prompted my TWH- mend
to use this illustration. But there is
a third salary which he receives by
way of indemnity durlhs il” 5”'
sion. _'rl-ue, it is _not very terse. but
we all receive that amount and it
alone is almost equal to the average
salary paid to the school 'teachers
throughout this Province. That
makes three salaries which he is re-
ceiving; but that is not all. Added
to that again is another indemnity
for loss of time in attending the
trustee meetings at Falconwood Hos-
pital. Bealdes that there is still a lit-
tle more: free travelllnk ¢¥P°“'°5
lor instance and s fine car to drive
around in at the public eXI>¢°B°-I I
havgttme und again heard the Pre-
mier when he was in the 0Pl)°|"|°“
criticise the than leader of the Gov-
ernment for udnga car at the el-
penae of the country, and if that ac-
cusation was just and fair then it ll
flat and fair now. (Applause).
lfotor Cars and “Blood MOM!-”
Furthermore. the leader of the OD'
bolltion today when he was l¢ld°l'
of t_n|s.House was accused time and
asain oapubue putter-nu by politi-
oaima mosey. uname-never# vh°
were hired and nent, out _to talk about
tbtm, very ear. that it was boulht
lNU~‘Ql,i|\'ctltast the Liquor Com-
 I al  today. M?-
 ee- M °- wc*
that is correct. I believe that there
is a certain sympathy with the teahc-
ers throughout the Province. How-
ever, the same people who have felt
sympathy with them may have roul-
ized that the nuances at the present
time were not sufficient to give them
on inmcse in salaries. 211': what has
been the Governments attitude with
’ reference to this matter? They knew
that there was dissatisfaction a year
ago among the teachers with regard
to their salaries. They should have
prepared th¢_m_=clv¢s______sc,_;lh=3-I-_.Eben
this threatened strike was about to
come off they would be in a position
to' meet the teachers and at least
compromise on their salaries. They
could have done this had they gone
to the proper source, that is to the
Federal Government, and pressed
our claims in such a way that we
would have had results.
I might say further. with refer-
ence to education, that when the
findings of this Commission arc
brought before the House, this Gov-
ernment should be prepared to take
immediate action in the matter of
increased salaries to teachers.
Prohlbitlon and Smuggling
There is another matter which has
been referred to by nearly every
speaker, though in different ways.
That ls Prohibition. 'I am not going
to argue the pros and cons of the
subject at this time, Mr. Speaker.
The question of Prohibition vs. Gov-
ernment Control is not the question
before the House at the DWSBM time-
That was decided in 1927, and it is
again to be decided. we have been
told, in July of this year. But what
I wish to point out is that this Gov-
ernment pledged iiself to enforce
rroalslum. 100 per cent- They are
pledged to stop smuggling. There
was to be no such thing as smug-
gllng after the Saunders Govern-
ment was elected. That was the DW'
mise on which they gained power,
that they would make this Province
dry; “gg dry as the Stlllrl acted,"
according to the local Liberal organ
at that time. The leader of this
House stated on several occasions
that the smugglcr would be put out
of existence entirely: that it would
be easier for a camel to pass through
a needles cy. than for a nnuuler
to land a dollars worth of booae on
the Prince Edward Island shore.
Those may not have been his exact
words. but that was his meaning, and
and that. is what the P60910 unda'
stood. Now let us see what has boob
done in that regard. V
H” gmuggling entirely ceased? A
short time ago an honorable gen-
tleman from thi. Province-a l1l'°m~
inent Liberal-made the statement
on the floor of the Senate Ohlmbef
st Ottawa that there was still a mat
sen of smussllnz rom! °“= “W “
had demoralised entire communities
In this Province. That must have
tee.. quite a revelation to some neo-
ple wire mime my hon. friends
the Saunders' administration. We
know that the prevention of smug-
Sling is a' difficult matter. I- agree
with what one of the memserior the
Government said the other day, that
it is almost impossible. However, in
the camlllllli of 1927 we were as-
sured tliat our coasts would be pat-
rolled by a fleet of motor boats and
speed craft of all kinds, that these
boats would connect up with a land
force of from fifteen to twenty-live
Ptlllcemen of the very highest class.
and that through the combination of
these two forces. assisted by g, mn-
erful Commission and a specially in-
terested and vig!en¢ class of legislat-
ors. the smugglers would absolutely
be put out of business.
Laxity of Enforcement
We all know that this promise has
not been fulfilled. and that the
SmU8Bl11‘lg of liquor is going on. If
there was only $130,000 _worth of Ll-
quor consumed in the Island, that
would not be a very great amount.
In fact, it would be a reduction on
what was consumed the previous
year of about $10,000, if it were not
for the fact that there has been 'a
reduction in price, The present Gov-
»rnment claims _that it has reduced
the price from two and a half to ten
per cent; on some lines of booze they
have reduced it two per cent and
on some others they reduced, it as
much as twelve per cent. However,
the fact remains that even this
amount of $130,000 of liquor consum-
ed at reduced prices does not rep-
resent what hss been drunk in this
Province, since we have not account-
ed for what the smuggler and the
bootlegger has sold.
The point I wish to make is this:
line the Government fulfilled its pro-
mise to the people that they would
endeavor to the best of their ability,
to prevent smuggling on the shores
of this Province? Last, year, during
the summer and autumn, smuggling,
as we know. was carried on at an
extraordinary rate. So glaring was it
that even the mouthpiece of the Lib-
eral party, the Patriot, had the cour-
age, ,ln one of their news items, to
slate that the beautiful weather
which was then prevailing had cn-
abled the smugglcr to land his goods
without any hindrance on the North
Shore. No doubt the editorial pen
slipped when that item went in or
the censorship must have relaxed to
enable this comment to be made. At
any rate, it was a true statement of
the conditions which prevailed last
summer. `" 
.ha Example Nearer Home V
It ‘was rather amusing yesterday
to listen to one of the hon. members
in condemning Government Control.
He made the statement that over at
Port Elgin, or Baie Verte, or perhaps
in both places, he had seen, or some-
one had told him of having seen, a
man going into a place under Gov-
ernment Control and in ten minutes
he was able to get three bottles of
boon.
Hon. Mr. LePage: Correct.
Mr. McLure: Weil, if he had work-
ed rapidly, and if he had enough
cash, ,he should have been able to
bring out more`thsn that in that
time.
Hon. Mr. LePage: I guess that is
all‘the money he had ‘
Mr. McLurc: That may be. 'How-
ever, tue hon, member from Rusfico
need not go to the neighboring pro-
vince of New Brunswick to get in-
formation of that kind. If he would
take up a watchful position on some
of the streets of Charlottetown he
would be able to see some men go
into a rum shop and in less than
three minutes he could see more
than three bottle, of booze come out
of that place. Why travel so far
afield for information, when you can
get it at your own door? I was rath-
or surprised at the hon. member
from Rustlco going so far to bring
out a fact that he could see every
day right in the city of Charlotte-
town.
. Hon. Mr. I.ePage: Question.
Mr. McLure: Question, he saysl
The other day I was an eye-witness
myself to three men going into s
rum shop and in less than two min-
utes, by the tick of the clock, those
men cams out, each apparently with
a bottle-how many more you
couldn't tell. because their grips were
full. It may have been one or it may
have been I. dozen. And I am sorry
to say that two of them were mem-
bers of this Legislature.-not on this
side of the House. I had no inten-
tion, Mr. Bpeaksr, of saying anything
about anybody going- in for a bottle
of booaabutlwauttoshéwtbstwe
don't have to go to New Brunswick
of Ontario for a few illustrations
with reference to this matter.
Premise laundenr I think my
l\on.n'iend,sineshehs|medsthat
statement; should-clear tm the mat-
tsr and dye lie the _ugly of those
`tssttnenwuae|mvu1\os\M\<1»llll“l»;'. . _
Mr. MCLUICZ Well, MT.‘Sp¢lk¢r,
I
do not have to give those names on
the floor of this House. A _
Hon. Mr. LePage: You can't i.n-
sinuate.
Mr. McLurc: I am not inslnuatlns
anything, but I can give the Prem-
ier the information privately. We all
knew the conditions. 'rife' Premier
himself is aware of them. I am not
holding it against any man, myself;
neither does he. I would not have
mentioned this matter, but why go
to the other _provinces looking for a
little information that we can always
find right at home.
Hon. Mr. LePage: A point of ord-
er. Mr. Speaker. The statement has
been made that certain members
around this House were seen coming
out with two or three bottles. Wevare
all here and this should be cleared
up, or the member that made. the
statement should take it back. I for
one deny that I was in the party.
(Laughter). I demand that heeshould
mention the names or retract his
words. _
Mr. Angus MscPhee: Or whether
this liquor was bought at the Ven-
dor‘sl Because we can buy liquor to-
day in town legally or uniegally, and
Mr. McLure should explain. Because
if you buy it legally I don’t think it
is any man‘s business. (Laughter).
They might buy it for a sick person.
Mr, Mcflul-ez The hon. member
from New Haven has reason to come
to the support of his colleague from
Ftustico. I just want to say this. When
I was citing this instance I did not
say what rum shop or how they had
bought it. It can caslly be found out
by going over and looking at the re-
cords in the vendor's shop within the
last ten days. There you will find
whether it is legal or illegal. The hon.
member from New Haven says that it
would be all right if it was legal: I
say the same with reference to the
remarks of the hon. member from
Rustlco. It was quite all right, in
New Brunswick, to go into a. liquor
shop and buy some liquor from the
liquor store. Both are legal, though
under different fon-ns of administra-
tion anddlfferent acts. ,
Liquor Consumption
Mr. Speaker, I do not propose to
argue the pros and cons of Prohibi-
tion or Government Control, Prohi-
muon is me law of the land at the
present time, and the Government
has pledged itself to do all in its
power to do away entirely with the
drink traffic. Let us look for a mom-
ent at the amount of liquor consum-
ed in this Province last year through
the Govemment vendors; $130,000
worth. We have not been able to get
very much information with regard
to this matter. I do not say it is too
much liquor; there may have been
a good many sick people, and I think
that almost every doctor prescribes
liquor for some of his patients. There
may be some who do not have alco-
holic patients, but wc never hear of
any me/dlcal man who is not prescrib-
ing liquor to some extent at least; if
there are, we should like to know.
From the little information that we
have been able to get from the Ll-
quor Commission the records show
that almost every doctor in this Pro-
vince has been taking up his full
quota of prescriptions. That is the
condition, according to the informa-
tion that this House has. And that
is under Prohibition as administered
by a Government that is pledged to
stop all drinking other than for med-
icinal purposes.
I do not believe that any member
of this Legislature will say for a mo-
ment that $130,000 worth of liquor is
used in this Province for medicinal
purposes. If it is, the doctors must
be prescribing a little drop for al-
most every patlent, because it means
that from tire babies in the cradle
to the old people throughout the Prn-
vince, we are .all .consuming about
$1.50 worth of liquor per capita per
year. ‘
But that is only part of the story.
If that was all the liquor consumed
in the Province ‘it would only be a
mere bagatelle. Nobody knows, and
nobody can estimate the amolmt of
money that ig spent in alcoholic
drinks in this Province. I think per-
haps lt is a safe bet to say that five
time that amount is consumed. I
would base that on the smuggling
that takes place around our Province.
Hon. members of this 1-louse who live
near the coast'-line know for them-
selves the amount that is smuggled
ln that direction. However, I am not
going to say very much more with
respect to this prohibitory law. In
July of this year we are promised a
plcbiscite. That plebiscite may go one
way or the other, and it will then bc'
a matter for the people to decide.
The Plcblsolto
V We' were informed yesterday by an
hon.-member of the Government, that
this Government would be quite pre-
pared to adopt Government Control
if the Plebisclte went that way. 1
.was rather sioprised to hear that re-
mark, Mr. Speaker, because I believ-
ed from what my hon. friends said
on several occasions that if Govern-
ment Control ever came into force
by the will or voice of the people,
they would immediately resign office.
I gathered that they would have
nothing to do with such a terrible
act. Now we find, from a little dis-
cussion on the floor of the House the
other day, that some members con-
sidered it would be wise to have three
questions on the piebisclte ballot,
and that it would be a good thing to
sive the people a chance to vote _in
light wines and beer. “Are you in
favor of Prohibition or Government
Control, or would you like a little
light wines and some good beer?"
<1-Hushterl. wny au this hearing |1-
ter all that _has been said about Pro-
nllltlonc li just snows not my 'few
llon. members of' this Legislature are
sincere with respect to Prohibition,
either on this side oz the House or
tho other. We all want Prohibition
for the other fellow, but we don’t‘
want it for ourselves.
There is just another little matter
I wish to mention with reference to
Prohibition. Some time ago the ex-
president of the Temperance Al-
liance in making an address in one of
the churches of this city charged the
Saunders Government with failure to
implement its pre-election pledges of
prohibition enforcement. The lectur-
er enumerated his several charges,
and so far as I am aware, ,Mr. Speak-
er, nonttempt was made, either in
the Liberal press or by Liberal speak-
ers to contradict his statements.
Those charges still remain unanswer-
ed, and we may take it, therefore,
tha they represent the undisputed
facts. The statements of the ex-pre-
sident of the Alliance were 'similar
to those we have made on the floor
of this House with respect to laxity
of enforcement. There is ne doubt,
that the people of this Province
wanted Prohibition since they voted
for it, and if this Govrenment was as
*sincere as the people in saying that
_the Province could be made as dry
as the Sahara desert. then it is up to
them to see that the selling of liquor
for beverage purpose; is stopped en-
tirely.
Mounting Liabilities
While the Premier was delivering
'his Budget speech a few nights ago
he went into a great many details,
and drew one very fine point be-
tween debt and liability. I am not
going to argue that point with him,
only to say that debts and liabilit-
ies are neither of them desirable.
None of us -want them in our per-
sonal buslness, neither should we
want them for our Government.
With respect to the debt, the»Pre-
mier told us that ‘there was only a
deficit of some $1,559.15. I do not see
why they did not turn that into a
surplus of seventy-five or ninety
thousand dollars. It was just as easy
from their method of book-keeping
to show a surplus as it was a small
deficit. However, that difference be-
tween ordinary expendlture and or-
dinary revenue is not .thc true state-
ment of our indebtedness. We may
talk as we please, and we may cam-
ouflage this statement and the oth-
er statement, but we cannot get olesr
of the fact of our provincial liabil-
ity. Our debt is increasing every year.
During the past year it increased
over $200,000. The Public Accounts
themselves show an increase of $192,-
000 and I am quite sure that if we
had before us the report of the Ex-
ternal Audlior it would show that
the liabilities were increased at least
$40,000 or $50,000 more. For if my
hon. friends had no unpaid bills, why
were they afraid to have an indepen-
dent audit of their books? (Ap-
plause).
The External Audit
The leader of the Government told
us that his reason for not having
an Exfemll Audit was that it cost
$500. One other hon. member of this
House stated that it was not worth
that much; that it was only a kind
of graft that was thrown out on cer-
tain occaslons by all Govemments,
and that we can very well dispense
with it altogether. Now, Mr. Speaker,
I do not look upon an External Aud-
it as a means oi giving s. little
"graft" to some party heeiers. Cap-
able men have been employed on
these audits in the past, and it was a
certain satisfaction to the public as
well as to this House in know that an
impartial audit was being made show-
ing the exact financial position of
the Province. The Premier and the
membe'i‘s of his Govemment have
laid themselves open to the aeverest
criticism when they did not live to
tau Legislature ans to the mole of
the Province the advantage which
an External Audit affords of inves-
tigating the nnancial accounts.
, I have nothing to say with regard
to our Provincial Auditor, Mr. John
Anderson. I believe that he is cap-
work. But we know that he is only
auditing the revenue and expendit-
ures; he is not given the same com-
mlmlon that an external auditor is
given; his work is entirely different.
Consequently, while ,he may audit
correctly the ordinary expenditure
and revenue, he ig not given that au-
thority to enquire into the different
departments as to what is accruing
for the year and the contracu that
have not been paid. I might refer
to one instance, just to show the ne-
cessity of an external auditor's re-
port,
Liquor Assets ,
The External Audit of 1927. sche-
dule F' 5, page 18, shows that there
was on hand at the Liquor Commis-
sion siores an asset in the shape of
goods and in cash of $36,000 or there-
abouts. $16,000 of that amount was
in cash in the Royal Bank; the bal-
ance was liquors on hand and paid
f0r'. In the same year, at the end of
December, 1921, external auditors.
Messrs. W. L. Poole and H. A. C.
Scarth reported that this asset of $36,-
000 had increased to $45,000. About
$23,000 of this amount was then in
cash in the Royal Bank. That was
the report at the end of 1927, and we
accepted _it.
Now we come to the year 1928.
During that year the Liquor Com-
mission had a business of $130,000 in
sales and about $10,000 in fines,-a.
ETax, I challenge them to place tha.
L - .I
'reduce taxation. The Cnnservxative
implemented their pledge and reduc-
ed taxatlon on the farmers by 2.0
per cent. They also took off that ob- `
noxious tax known us the Bell.
W mo. Mr. Speaker. to near mem-
bers of this Governnient who will
still get up and talk about that won-
of all kinds of taxes; and the leader
cf the Opposition \vu:= criticised very
Severely the other day for taking it
'off the Stfltllfesi of", in other word
tax, and that is why they relieved
the people of paying it. As I said on
members of the Government are sin-
tax on the Statute Books of this
Applause).
use. You would take it off.
Mr. McLurc: Certainly we would
take it off. Why wouidn't wc take oil'
Inn unjust tax 'that you pccpie had
(put on.
M-\'. HOIHCG Wright: You haven'
shown the injustice yea.
total of $140,,000. It is reasonable to
assume that if the Paton Commis-
sion in 1926-27 'could make a. profit
on $160,000 worth of liquor of some
$57,000, this Government or this
Liquor Commission must have made,
cn the same basis, 540,000 possibly
more. Of course we have no account
to go by, but that is, I think, ,a mod-
erate estimate. Add that $40,000 to
the $45,000 assets on hand at the end
cf 1921, and you have $85,000 of the
assets of this Province to be account-
ed for. Yet when the Public Accounts
came down this year there was no
record of this money in any shape
or form. We know that $45,000 of
those assets were there on Dec. 31st,
1927, as shown by their own external
audit. We have .had no explanation
as to where this money has gone, or
the increase in profits that has ac-
crued. Yet my hon. friends will say
that there is no need of an éxtemal
audit. Here is a. shortage in the ac-
counts of the assets of this Province
of over $80,000, and I claim that it
was the duty of the Government to
have furnished a statement of this
account to the House. (Applause).
Pays All Bills-Takes No Proms
This Government, Mr. Speaker, is
liable for every dollar of loss under
the Prohibition Commission. Suppose
that the Commission had a. bad year
in business; suppose they did not
make a. profit but that instead they
had a loss of $40,000. The treasury of
this Province would have to pay that
loss, just the same as the School
Supply if there was a shortage in that
department. And yet we are expect-
ed to accept the Public Accounts of
1928 as a. satisfactory account of the
year’s business, without any account
of this asset of over $80,000 in the
hands of the Prohibition Commis-
sion. (Applause) There may have
been other assets that have been
spirited away in like manner. We
cannot tcll with the information that
is avaliable. That is why we claim
tllat it is absolutely necessary to have
a proper accounting.
It has been said repeatedly on the
floor of this House that the Govern-
ment would not take ally money
from the Prohibition Commission ai-
though, as I have pointed out. in a
case of loss they would have to pay
the bills. I am not acquainted with
all the legal points in the Prohibition
Act, but I believe there is s, clause in
it which states that the Commission
shall report to the Govemment at
least twicc a year, and that all pro-
fits on hand over $200 shall be paid
into the provincial treasury. This
Government has had no report from
thing, it seems, about its financial
condition. That only goes to prove
again what I said before, that they
are not making any sincere effort to
enforce prohibition or to look after
the financial interests of the Pro-
vince.
Taxation Pledges
The leader of the Government,
during his budget speech, said that
the provincial debt had been increas-
ing year after year. In the last year
and five months, as we know. it has
increased by almost half a million;
and what 1, going to be the result?
The Premier touched on that sub-
ject very gingerly. He said that all
these debts would eventually have
to be funded, and it would mean in-
the House. and the people generally
do not _want to hear those whisper-
'abie msn. and well able_to do his
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the Commission and they know nn- I
creased taxation. We on this side of
ings about increased taxation. Both
parties have pledged themselves to
that it was unjust when they voted
my hon. friends out. (Applause) As
ll sale when I was interrupted, lf th
Vendor of the Govemment and the
c
members °“ that Sid” °f "‘° H°“5° of these drags on hand and
lwere really sincere. if they uellev
that the Poll Tax was the fairest and
most equitable of all the taxes, why
do they not put their sincerity into
this seslon? (Applause). _
“D. T.” Governments
lyears, Mr. Speaker, you will ilnd a
remarkable .history in connection.
with debt and taxation in this Pro- l
vince. In fact, you might well de-
scribe the Liberal Governments as
mean by that that they have had
tract that too if they continue buy
ing $130,000 of booze and selling it
without profit! But the D. T`s. as ap
plied to the Liberal Government and
the Liberal party means this: If you
both parties, you will find that Lib
ihave accumulated, or the taxation
iithat has been put on the Statute
ibooks. Almost 90 per cent. of all the
'deficits and nearly 05 per cent of all
|taxatlon has been given to us by the
'Liberal party. Consequently we on
tthis side of the House, when we hear
like io come out squarely and say,
as we said last year to the leader of
the Government, that we will not
stand for increased taxation. (Loud
Conservative applause).
Interest Charges Climbing
The members of this House know
that our farmers at the present time
,arc not in n position to pay increas
lcd taxes, And we arc getting in
crcascd taxation now from our ln-
terest charges alone, which is surely
'sufi‘icicnt. I think some hon. gentle-
iman made the statement the othe
alone is 12 cents per acre for every
acre of land in Prince Edward Isl
.and. We cannot get away from the
fact that our debt is yearly increas-
ing and that the amount of interes
*is becoming more and more n bur
‘dont upon the taxpayers of this
|1"rovincc. Last your it amounted to
$117,000, which Ls ullnost $1.50 in
.every man, woman and child in the
Province. Next year lt will be con-
islderably more. lt ig a big interest
to pay, and I think the Government
will he wcll advised to go slow ln
their spending operations and con
sidcr that our dcbt is now sufficient-
‘ly large for the income of our people.
When a Government comes into
'power pledged to make revenue and
expenditure met without bon-owing,
'I believe, Mr. Speaker. that they
ishould live up to that pledge, even if
they break a good many of their other
prommes. That is the important one.
We often talk about what we can do
for the agriculturists in this Pro-
vince. There is one thing that any
Govemmcnt can do. and that is re-
duce the rate of taxation on the far-
thing of real benefit to our f:.r:nln
population.
Public Werke
L11,/‘
erencs to the eg that
party under the Stewart Government ,mm “_ nam,” 'MR we bl
‘very little loifar.-dale seas
that is the Public worn
t W have heard noi
S d V from the head of that
aun ers Poll Tax. It is surprising mem’ but I hope that at B 1
we shall have a full report
work that has been carried
tc
l
ing the past year sugg
derflii Poll Tax. Why, it was the most nom. of me Howe in 1934
` a
ell
el
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bl
JIM’ the most’ equitable' the mrest and again last year that it
in the interests of e deb
portfolio members, .lp tabl
eports, would make a. d
for lmplememin a mm” th h" nouncem°nt of the P0lici
had made Th gc P ij" at ° Government at the same
I k ' e °"5°"a “e “MW would make the budget de
oo ed upon that Poll Tax as the more important to us au
people louked “pon it' as an ‘"‘5“5t see why the heads of these
ments should lag behind b
,h H hi only means that those of us
o, cor of t s House before, if the to speak before the Minister
c
ln a pos on c
itl to rlticise th
ccre in what they any about the Poli the departments’ or even
n
° mend it That is 11111 P05130
_ _ spect to the Minister
Province again. (Loud Conservative works im. I am Boing to
Hon. Mr. Mclntyrc: It would be no when this Government 5
on a new road policy, and
$100 000 on road machinery,
fortunately threw aviiiy 01'
all the old m hip ,
had to scrap to make roo
him now
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will say that is 9. criticism
Mr. McLu:‘e: The pcopic snowed Come to the recommenda
few minutes They were t
new system, they believed
° road drag was a nuisance
art Government had some
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cardcd .hem all Now the
ister of Public Works is h
drags made, and am
formed that he has gone b
action and re-enact the Poli Tax at,`\Ste‘vu.1_ Fancy uf mad m
road dragging. (Applause)
commend him for seeing th
his ways in discard ng e r
md that hc is man enougl
If you go back for a number of img; and lnaugumtg the 1
system, because, Mr Speak
know that there is no betta
of keeping our mods in n
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i.
giving them s. good, har
than by dragging
the “D.T." Governments. I do not done at frequent intervals
I said it is hard 'to
Public Works De rtment
have not heard from th
will go back to the ’90‘s or further himself but when the le
and follow up the political history of Golcmment was speakin;
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Delirium Tremens. They_ may con-
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e
at
Budget he stated that it
eral Governments always stand for get tp this province to bu
Deficit; and Taxation. Take our machinery They spent 5
present deficit and the deficits that the greater part of that
purchase this machinery, a
never known it to be ngur
way the Premier flgurfr
speech He said that tl
was worth more now than
purchased it I suppose
friend had been looking
whisperlngs of ~increascd taxation, Public Accounts and saw w
$5,000 had been paid for
those machines Posslbl
that another $15 000 of r
had been done which h
been paid for He added t
and $8,000 to the $100 000 5
tr t th t th
t
bythisex acos, a
ery is worth more today
it was purchased If that
tinue for the next me ye
bc a revelation because if
' like that can p ove v
time it is repaired it will b
crful asset to the Provinc
er, I do not think any 1
v.
d
fe
P
the House can swailo
day that thc taxation from interest ,V
I haxe touched on a
t brouzht up
_ Budget debate It is im]
fol‘cw them ali, or to go
the notes of the various sp
I would be taking up mor
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1
I share of the time of this H
'ue just two other items
mention, however, and 0
is vllth reference t
farm One of the memb
other side of this I-louse
statement that this farm
duced a surplus rofit in
year of some 8500 or 86|
glad to hear that Person
Minister of Agriculture
seat I would congratulate
But there was something
statement I refer to wht
not lmderstand The im
created by the hon me
Government who discuss
ter that prior to this
coming into power there
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b ie at Falco
.. _ We all know that it is
mera. If my hon. friends can see their and . mu sm” me
way to do that, they will have kcpt ,er of Agricultum tw.,
one of their pre-election pledges at fam HG' In ,ha num
least, and they will have done some- cmd ‘M mnrunpmve I
I
time from scrub cattle
Pfhea liwafl maid?
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