HASZARD'S GAZETTE, APRIL 5. 00103111. I.IGIlIiA'I'UB.l. lines a Amnstr, lirmnsr, March 21. QUALIITOATIOH 0!‘ ‘I'll ION. IIANUIL IACIACBIN. (Debate concluded.) In Mr. Iacsciar.-—I am glad to hear the for Third District of Kin ‘s Mr. Wlielan) lay claim to e practice of forbearance ; for his doing so aflirds a proof, that he at least conceives it to be a virtue, the observance of which may as fre- iiently p‘rpt‘oct one’_s self, as others. from the tifiution consaq _t upon that he has practised or- bearnsice towards r. ltaeeechen; and whether he h‘as done so or not, he is now, doubtless, convinced that it would have been wisdom in him to have done so. I cannot, indeed, say that I think his words quits consistent with the truth: but, at any rate, I well know that, in the newspaper conducted by him there he". uently, been put forth statements and assertions tctall at variance with facts and truth. lie says e forbore to attack Mr. Mac- aacben in any way, untileprovoked by Mr. Mac- eecheii’s letter, publish in “ the blender,” in which he and one of his friends are styled a brace of scurvy miscrea ts ow fit this as- sertion accords with truth may, however, easily be seen by reference to late numbers _of the Royal Gazette published by him, in which, in very unqualified language, Mr. Maceachen and his colleague are again and again accused, if I mistake not, of havin practised most gross fraud upon their constituents. Such accusa- ' tions do not, I think, look very _much like for rance, any more than the motion which has ‘net been made b that immaculate patriot, illiam McGill, uire, who seems to be nctuail horrified by the bare idea that the fioor 0 this House should he polluted by the foot of a man sns ted of having a defective legal qualification, or rather of one, whom hie enemies have lsely and wickedly accused of having no ls 1 title to the property on which he has qua ified,—pro rty on which he has lived for the last thirty- veypars, and of which, it may fairly be said, he s been in full pos- session for that period of time. I regret ex- ceedingly that the professions and acts of some hon. members shou d be so completely opposed to each other. In the minority, there are hon. members who take every opportunity to boast of the liberelit of their sentiments ; but sorry evidence ind , does the resent act 0f})0IItl- cal rsecution aflird of t s sincerity 0 their pro ossions. Mr. McGill is bold enough to assert that Mr. Maceacheri is not qpesssssed of a legal qualification; and yet, I lieve, he knows the contrary to be the fact. I told him, this‘ pioruing, tblzat I knspr Mr. Mscoaclji‘sn’s quai cation to good ii persistin t tit is bad, he has, in a manner, taken his wish for a fact, and acts as if he thought his doing so would actually convert it into a reali . Such proceedin , I sa ,must he quashed at once : the honor of this case and the interests of the country deman that their progress should be promptly arres . The manner in which Mr. Meceachen has been and is still persecuted, in his own District, by a portion of the public press, and in this House, is more than any man can endure. if such persecution be a manifestation of the spirit of iberalism, ' I should like to know, does it difiiir integri , and truth, history of the most despotic government that has ever o p men. r. aosachen be dispo to rcducs the Schedule of his qualification, of is own accord. he shall have my free consent to lay it upon the Table ; I will not consent b my, vote, that he shall be required to do so, u obedience or submission to an act of litical persecution, unless Mr. McGill shall. in the first place, give suficient security for the payment of all expenses which the prosecution of the enquiry, consequent ufiin the adoption of his motion, may occasion to r. Maeeachsn and the public. Moors I have never before heard such a pro 'tion as that of the hon. and learned member (Hon. Mr. Macaulay, pro- seed from a gentleman of this House. roster ignorance, ind , has never been displayed upon the fioor of this House, has now been oxhibited by the hon. and learned member for Georgetown Mr. Macaulay; and yet, besides having the onor to represent that large an important city, he is no less than a Member of 5‘ 5 as Her Majesty's Executive Oouncil. Wbeta ity tis hataman ofso muc ‘cal wi cm and talent was not, 10 iatcd ith the Government of this I think that, if a r a course of collegiate studies, such as be is understood to have p outed, I could not have acquitted myself of the duties of e represenhtive of the people, in this House, ore credit to mysel , than he does, I would really have been ashamed to con- fsss that such op tunities of acquiring know- ledge had ever u extsn to me. It is, indeed, surprising to me to hear so learneds man make such a demonstration of his want of knowledge in parliamentary usages; and that, too,after havin been smembsr of this House for a number o years. What an absurdit is it to propose that my hon. colleague (Mr. c- Gill) shall be obliged to enter into a bond to pay all expenses attending the discussion which may be consequent u n the investi tion of Mr. Idaoeachen s qusli cation. Can t ere bee eater absurdity, with respect to our proceed- ngs. than to as that a member, risin up in his place to so it a Resolution, cal rig for the action of a document, must give securi- .E‘ 2 ago, assoc w ngolonyl Still, hcwe_ver, d as moiosais . luvs wines to llebpsltsr his opponents. lie I. The Hon. the An-osxxr GINIIAL. The hon. ember for the Second District of Queen's Coxity (Mrrl.|iMooney) would seem to be fright- en out o s ro riet b a more su tion concerning t prelquireymeiit of secur‘l§y.,. for expenses, from the accuser, in this case. He pppssrs to hsquite astounded by the pr asi- on. He has never till now heard of any ing so monstrously absurd. His memory, it must be _is a very acute one, when he pleases that it shall be so; but he is not, I am sorry to my. always so honest, as to confess its retention of matters and facts which would, if admitted. tell a inst the views which he is disposed to upho ; nor yet so ready to refer to the Journals when their records are likely to tell against him. inoe is memory, however, appears just now to have failed him, I will savour to re it. When I called in question the bzralidity of the qualification of a certain mom of this House, in 1850, how W“ I iT_°|t0dr I0‘ ll“ ilk. by the party then in the majority? Before I was rmitted stteui t to make good, by proof, my declaration that t tmember had no e l ualification, I was obliged to vs securi Idr t e payment of all expenses, pu lic, as we! as private, which mi htbe consequent 0 ii the en uir should 5.. 2° . 9 y. I ail to rove that his qulification was bad. Did Mr. ooney then object to the requirement of security, ssan un reoodented act, or as an unreasonable obslac thrown in the way to revent the sthinmsnt of justice? No, indeed; or it was then the interests of his friends in the House, that he should not. On the c~ntra- ry, he earnestl united with those individuals of his part , w 0 were naturally more tyranni- 1 than imself ; and, in conjunction with them, threw the most unjustifiable impediments e way, to prevent or stop an investi tion, which justice to the ublic, and regard or the honor of the Assem ly alike imperstively de- manded. The tyranny which, on that occasion, was exercised towards me, by the party then in the majori , was indeed unp outed for its infamy. ey sat with closed doors, and pent me up like a culprit ; so that, in the end, with a view to terminate their odious and tyrannous proceedings. I had to rise and move that I in self should ‘vs security for the payment of al expenses w icb might be consequent upon the enquiry concerning the qualification then in question. I said then that the mode of pro- ceeding] which was adopted by the majority, evident y to prevent the making of due enquiry touching the disputed qualification of one of their number. was one of the most infamous and tyrannical ever pursued by a parliamenta- ry ma'ority ; and I now say so again. In the most espotic age, or under the most absolute and unjust vernments, nothing was ever done, or attempts , in a more tyrnnnous spirit. As to the reposition, respectin security, made b the on. Mr. Macaula , t a hen. member, blr. Mooney, appears to ave quite misunder- stood the spirit in which it was made ; rind he has, thereby,been betrayed into the making of a rather remarkable demonstration of inconsisten- cy. The onl object which the hon. gentleman, who made e ropoeition about security, had in view, was, imagine, to seduce the hon. member, Mr. Mooney,intc another displa of his oratorioal powers. The bait took; an the honorable member has, in consequence, fa- voured the House with a ver amusing, because very inconsistent, speech. ith res t to the demand made upon the honorable ut foully maligned member, Mr. Maceacben, for the production of the Schedule of his qualification, —whatsver may be the terms of the Act. an however much o y may be to the de- mand,—he will, Iotrust, pursue the course, with respect to it. which he has alrsad expres- sed his willin ess to adopt ; and, by oin so, justifyohimse , as I am perfectly satisfie he th in the sight of men and of the Al- mi t . a.yMooirrr.--The hon. and learned Attorney General has said, that the Journals are my diiir . So far he has spoken truly. They are my iury, I admit, but they are more than mv day-boo ; they are my night- k too: for 1 even keep one under my head when I am sleep- ing. Yes, I have read them through and through, and over again, as far back as nine- teen ears, still be ing to find one meritorious act 0 my hon. and learned friend, the Attorney General ; but all my searching has been in vain. Ihave not found a single record, by which it appears that he has ever striven to raise up t ose who have been trodden down; and sorry 8 d am I for this, for we know what is written a inst the opprsssors of the r. On the e of oppression the hon. and l)c?rned gentle- men has figured most conspicuously ; and I tell him that he need not taunt me with having striven to persecute him with closed doors. The core have never been closed by a vote of mine; mw nor would I vote for their being closed, _wliat- ever might be the consequence. True it is, the doors were closed upon the occasion, to which the hon. and learned gentleman refers; but they were not closed to persecute him, but to keep within doors the outpourings of his vials of wrath and vindictiveness a inst an hon. mem- ber. The scene was truly i aceful ; and, on that account alone, were the core clo On what grounds, the on. Attorney General sr es that the presentcase is the same as that of . Whelan, I know not. When Mr. Whe- lsn’s was before the House, Mr. Palmer said, that, if the House would give him time to sum- mon witnesses, he would rove that Mr. Whe- lan‘s qualification was de ective. But my hon. oollea e sfiys no such thin . He merely calls upon r scsachen to tab e a schedule of his qualification. He does not say he is spared to prove that he has none, as Mr. Pa or did with res t to Mr. Whelan.—-The hon. and learned ttorney General fights most cunniugly to cover and conceal the i orsnce of ' on. friend and colleague, Mr. acsula , respecting the security required by him. T e dsxterous qnibbler says, that Mr. Macaulay was not in earnest, that he was only joking. But, ifsny member of the minority were to use such jokes against his parttry, how the hon. and learned gentlemen woul rail against us! Every bad word he could think of would be thrown at us: even the opprobrlous epithet bestowed upon us Mr. Mscsaoheu would be thought too good 1' us. Mr. Dsvirs.—l do not rise with the intestine of prsfsrrlng any charge, or making any remarks condsmnsiory of the qualification of the on. Mr. Iiseesclieu; but to re I the unjust, lbs uufcilcdsd, and the wilfu ' iisrepressnistloos made by the Attorney General: ooscsruiug gen- tlemen n Ills minority. The honorable genus- mau has bssiowsd the most 0 probrious epiilisis upos us. He has drawn his o£nsivs expressions from that slough of language to which, is un- hss i_ooosrss for materials sodssvoarsd in bread hos. members of the House with isfsmy. lie has said that r age are lsfsmess, or that they have been marked y lsfsm His siyls well ssssrrls :lth“.lhil‘Of“lhO sss letter. numb” I 0! IOUIPI . ss ii o If Issssstes ~ use W I is, as I suspect him to he, the author of that dis- grucefuleffusion. Such charges as he has me- ferried against us. are. say, untrue. They cannot be supported : neither can they have exis tones in any mind which is free from Ibo evil luius of party feeling. So far are the proceedings of hon. members, on this side of the House. from bring open to such charges, as those pref:-rrr=(l susinsi them by ihs Hon. the Attorney Gone-rsl, that nothing can be more straight-forward, open. and honorable. than the course pursued by Ibo Isle administration; and. on that account, eve-ry man connected therewith feels a degree ofruniis fsmion, justly emanating from a sense of prirl»- in having sided a party who have labored. pod successfully too, to remove ihs encumbrances we forrurly endured, and the impediments which stood in the we to prevent the introduction of Responsible Government and free and unsliscliled trade. Those stumbling blocks have been re- moved, our prospects have rapidly brightened. and we are marching forwards, with srdcur. to the equality of station assigned us amongst the British North American Provinces, as more becoming our feelings and our rights. it is really amusing in see the hon. snd learned gentleman assume the loolts of an injured man. and to hear him complain of persecution at the hands olliis political enemies; and that too without even llic shadow ofa reason. A single instance of pollli- cal persscuiion by the party wlih whom I act, I defy him to establish, whilst I can refer him In many records of the vindictive spirit Wlill which, through msn ycsrs,ilie party which he now leads in this ouse, have assailed and pursued their pnliiicsl opponents. Lei him take, as one evidencs of iheir vindictive spirit, the shameful perseculicn endured by Messrs. Le Lacheur and Msekiniosh at ibeirbsnds. By an arbitrary and tyrannical majoriiy. they were prevenied from occupying their seats in the Assembly. By that ma'oriiy,lhey were misrepresented. persecuted. an imprisoned. By that proprietary faction. they were held here in Chsrlciietown, session, after session, at their own expense; and they were branded as rebels for adhering to the con- siiiuiionsl wishes ofiheir constituents, under the most unfavourable, and. apparently, degrading circumstances. ow iifereni is the conduct of the present majority in the Assembly, from that of the majority in the late House ; and by what difiiirent means has that majority been obtained! Our psriy secured their majority in lho most honorable manner. They neither deceived the people by promises of public bencfils which it was not their intention to confer, nor by promises of self-denial, on their own put. with rss act to olfices, which it was their secret, but ccided purpose to break, as soon as ever they should have it in their power to do so. hey were hon. aspirants for power and office; and both they received from the eople, who alone have a right to confer ihem. Bbt in what a pitiful position do the present majority of the Assembly now siundl Ii is always so, however, wiih public men, who make promises which they cannot, or will not fulfil. They obtained their majority by preaching up to the country the monstrous fsllscy, that it was impossible for a represenlslive of the people to discharge what they called a double duty —his duty to his constituents, and, at the same time, ‘s duty to the Government. uch a thought could be entertained only in the mind of a traitor. The deception, however, was success- ful. The bait took well ; especially in and about Charlottetown, among that class of the community comprising young gentlemen of limiied informa- tion. and the loungers and idlsrs, devoid of princi- ple, with which this lace is pestered. Amongst these, the doctrine ound many and ready advo- cates, and the Tory Press became crowded with communications from their scribblers. And why was this! i was because if the leaders of that party carried ouiiheir professions, all oliice holders would be excluded from the Legislature; and, then, what a glorious time for them would coin- rnence! Of course, they. the followers, the advo- cates oflhs new reformers must fill the oflices ; pod, thus, a most powerful support was secured, in sddiiicn to that derived from the many other means by which ihsy imposed upon Ihe credulous. Ileformsrs indeed they are! Whit s compila- tion of virtue does their united body present for the admiration of the public! Let the hon. gentlemen and his Government, now, whilst they have a majority, carry out their patriotic professions to their friends. Let them at least shew s disposition to exclude all office holders from the fioor of this House. Let them, if it be only to continue the humbug, make a faint; and,_ sfler that, there may be some shadow of cons_islency in any member ofihs majority pre- ferring charges against the honest and sincere intentions of this side of the House. n. Mr. MAChCfllN.—Wh0n8VGl the new leader of the minority, Mr. Davies, rises to deliver himself of one of his great gusts of wind, he reminds me of the old Scotch saying, “ Mickie din, and little woo‘, Quotb the deil when be clipped the sow." The member Mr. Davies, has made allusion to an article, which lately appeared over m signature, in the lslander newspaper, and whic he fathers upon my honorable friend the learn- ed Attorney General. Although he could not confer a higher compliment upon me, than to suppose any humble production of my pen to be worthy the authorship of that gentlemen, I can tell him that his su position is not correct. The letter alluded to,I>e it od, bad, or in- difibrent, is in own production; and I defy both him and the hon. member, Mr. Whelan, who has accused me of having hired some one to_wri_te it for mo, or any other member of the minority, to contradict a single sentence of its contents. It contains nothing but the truth; and I take this opportunit to tell the member for the Second District of uesn’s County, Mr. Whelan, that I will yet expose more of the cowardly acts and ° " " " of the scurvy pack to which he belongs. on Mr. IIILAN.-I move that the last words spoken by the honorable member (Mr. Maceschen) be taken down. The ob tionable words were taken down eccordlngiy. Hon. r. I.osn.—Some allowance ought to be made on account of Mr. Maoeechen‘s being a new member, and his inexperience of the rules and conrtesies which pvern parliamen- my do tea. on. Mr. Whelan.—Allowance' Yes: such allowance as is due to a fool. Hon. scxacaair.—I was no fool in Whelsn's opinion. last summer, when, shortl a me spud n, he sent me ajilghlly compl - mes y e e ii ii m success ul e action. Hon Mr did not know him so well than as I do now. lion, Mr. Mscssaixit.--In writing that letter, be had in view, however I doubt not, the pro- modes of his own and is party's interests; for,ln it, he nested me to write something t the , of which he might make public use. Hon. Ir. WbelaIs.—It is hiss. line. Mr. |tscascamr.—It is not. Ihavs the letter, and can produce Boa. Mr. Wsar.sit.'-Itis false. I tell him, 7 Q h B pvostsseslsslvs, that he, sot Ir. I.sss.:‘ts:: tolilsfses,ltis The flea. the arrsmsr Gmmsa.-I move ‘that the words just spoken by the lion. mem- her, Mr. Whelan, be taken down. The words were taken down accordingly. Mr. i"ii.isxa-—I hope the lion. incmber, Mr. Vlaceuchen, will not allow himself to be forced. by ii vote of the House, to lay the Schedule of his qualification upon the Table. but ill“ hi’ will prefer producing it, as it were of his own free will and accord, for the sotislhotion of the House. It would surely be for better tbot the iiiiittor should be brought to an issue, without the iIousc's being forced to a division thereon. Hon. Mr. Coii'sov.—It is most easy to cast an im utntion upon the cburricter of any man: nn , although, upon investigation, the reputa- tion of the individual nsperscd may be fully established, and his innocence made manifest to all immediately concerned in making the en uiry, yet, unfortunately, some stein will stil ,in the estimation of many, rest upon the character which has once been publicly called in question ; hence, with respect to such nes- tions as that now before us, the duty 0 the Asscmbly.—wbose honor and honesty, whether collectively, or individually considered, should be above suspicion,-—is, in my opinion, quite evident. Such questions, I imiintiiin. ought not to be entertained by the House at all. unless brought forwurd, not only in the manner and within the time, prescribed by law, for their being raised, but iilso set forth with siichn show of good and sufiicient cause for investiga- tion, us to render it imperative upon the House, in vindication of their own honor, to admit an prosecute the enquiry. With res ct to the resent case, no such good und su cient cuuso lias been, or can be shown, to the House ; rind. besides, the time is long no by when such an enquiry could have been legally demanded \Vhetlier we consider the source of the motion now before us, or the tiiuc, or the manner of its being made, somcthin dork and skulking uttoclies to it. Who,l siould like tokuovr, risked the lion. member. Mr. Mo-Gill, to bring the question of the sufiicicncy of the lion. Mr. Maceaolien'e qualification before the II-ruse? Who constituted him the conservator of public rights, to warrant , his assuming such a duty? Or has some su rhumon light been vouchselcd to him, to cniib e him to penetrate and explain secrets, which ure so completely hidden from the knowledge of oil other men, that their existence is not even sus cted by them. The hon. member (Mr. llicGill,) has allowed the legal season for the making of such enquiries to pass away ; and, now, without being able to show us any cod reason for his doing so, he comes forwartfand insults an hon. mcinber, y calling upon him to produce the Schedule of his qualification, and has the assurance to request us to insult him also, by ordering him to in his qualification before the House. Why, wish to know, has the Hon. Mr. Maceac en, been thus singled out? Why have not I been thus called upon? why not you, Mr. S akerl or, indeed, why not all of us at once. Why was not the hon. member's motion a general one! Why did he not ooine forward with a eneral challenge, which would certainly have been less objectionable than the singling out of one member, to cast an imputation upon his honor and honesty? Why did he not say, “ We are all pledged alike to our constituents ; and we have all sworn to our being possessed of the qualifications required by law, to entitle us to sit here as representatives of the people ; and yet I have reason to believe that there is one traitor amongst us. In order, therefore, that this traitor me he is , and i miniously ex lied from the House, I move a Resolution, t at ever member of the House do lay upon the Table t. e Schedule of his qualifi- cation, and also all title deeds, documents or papers connected therewith.” This would certainly have been a much less offensive and objectionable course, than that which he has thou ht pro r to adopt. We are, constitu- tiomi ly, an with the greatest reason, entitled to freedom of s ooh when in rliamsntary Session; but the allowing of sun accusations, as that now in question, to be made at will, with or without sufiicient cause, would indeed be an allowing of freedom of speech with a vengeance. Such an abandonment of decency and courtesy, such a disregard of law and rule, as are observable in such wanton and malicious attacks upon the honor and honesty of indivi- duul members, are not to be endured. at compensation can the in'urer afford to the in- jured in such a case? a one! For as I have said before, how unfounded soevcr, the accu- sation may, in the event of investi tion, be proved to be, the accusation will a ways live in the memories of some to the disadvanta e of him who was unjustly made the object o it. So true, is it that- ‘ ‘ He who steals my.purse, steals trash: s s ‘Tis his, ‘twee mine, and been slave to thousands; But he, who filcbes from m in good name, Robs me of that which not enriches him, But makes me poor iiidesd !” Mr. Dsvirs.—Hon. members are pleased to represent the course pursued, with respect to the qualification of the Hon. Mr. Maceachen, as an indication of a most unjust and tyranni- cal spirit, on the part of those from whom it has proceeded. I will not, however, 'ust npw, undertake to vindicate this side of t e was from the aspcrsions cast u ii them on account of their having thought it right that a member, whom they have good reason to believe has no qualification to entitle him to sit here as a representative of the people, should be called upon to rove the contrary, if he can ; for every man in t c llouse who listens to the dictiites 0 reason and justice, must, in his own mind, fully convinced that the lion. member who has brought the question forward, and they who have supported him, have done no more than their duty. But, since they have spoken, without proof, of the existence of a tyreiinous spirit in this House, I will ‘ve them undeniable evidence of the existence c this spirit, although I am proud to say it will not be found on this side of the House. Greater tyranny and injustice have certainly very seldom been exercised by a parliamentary majority, than the lnI_'pl'It{ of this House have exercised towards ms. t will be remembered that, in the course of the Debate on the Address in answer to His Excel- enc 's Speech, the hon. member, in colleague, Mr. ouse, took occasion to call u gisstion the validity of my qualification, and to reatsn me with an inquir concerning it. think it right to regress. by making any next mornin I brou ht House; an the Douss) their retracted his accusation of the previous evening. After his retracmtlon, how-' ever,hethouht rorto vsao in the Order being called upon to la‘ quahfication before the case, his accusation and dsclsrin quallfimltion. lllsxt , after havl slay the business than rticular reply; but e subject before the '6 [did not °“°P ri onorable member (Mr. l‘’ The. _l'sllsu f ti . I. - “°; need goiirilr oi%iu ,~..'.'.’ no liicosvsnlssss sss result frcin our allow me to place my qualification before the Home for due investigation. ea in the Bcuse knew nothing either of the 0 er , or of its contents ; and that, as the question had not been brought forward by motion, on the part of Mr. Douse, I could not be heard in my own vindication. If this is not tyranny and injus- ticc of the most hateful character, t on tyranny and injustice have never existed. Hon. Mr. Wrisv.air.—i more that the hon. member, Mr. McGill, have lcnvs to withdraw his Resolution. I agree with Mr. Fraser, that it would be much better that the hon. member, Mr. Maocaclien, should, in pursuance of the advice of his friends, produce the Schedule of, his qualification, without his boin obliged to do so by a vote of the House; for e question will not, if he adopt that course, appear upon the Journals of the House. , . 'l‘be Hon. the Arroaivrr GINIIAL.-—I will sup rt the Resolution, at least when it is pro- per y wor . The ban. and learned gentleman then pro- posed a verbal amendment of the Resolution, to render it agreeable to the words of the Act ; rind the same was agreed to. The Hon. the COLONIAL SlCltl'l'AlY.-I have opposed the Resolution. because the time for making such a motion is no b ; and because I think our disregarding t erulo, laid down b the law, for our guidance, with respect to a such questions, ma operate to the serious rctiirdation of ob in business. However, as Mr. Iiiccachcn wishes to roduoe the Schedule of his qualification, I wil with- draw my opposition to the Resolution, and vote so as to ufibrd him an op rtunity to show the sufiicicnc of his qualification, and, thereby, to confound iis enemies. The question was then put on the motion of the lion. Mr. WHILAN for the withdrawal of the Resolution, which was negatived. The Resolution, as amended, was then agreed to ; and it was ordered accordingly. R. B. IRVING, Reporter. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL CHLIBE3, Tusscsv, March 28. SAVINGS BANK. His Honor the Prnrsinica-r.—I beg leave to move that the Savings Bank Bill. be now read a time. In introducing ii yesierday,l entered so fully into iis merits, i do not consider, that it is at all necessary for ms to say any thing further on the subject, unless your Honors want any additional information. ' The hon Mr. Hoi.i..—I second it. The hon. Mr. HaNsi.i'.v.—-lfihis is the proper time to malls my observations, as I now cnierisin objections in proceeding with this Bill, I will beg leave to slate the reasons. Whilst there appeared to be but little prospect of a Bank being establish- ed in the Island, I refrained from throwing any obstacles in the we of a Savings Bank, but now, when there appears to be every probability ofa safe Bank being instituted, I believe that the beneficial objecis set forth in the B'ill,msy be accomplished by the Bank. I believe that the ex erienim of England has very much altered the opinions of a large proportion of the community, with respect to Savings Banks, and that many are turning their attention to the consideration of how to discharge the country from the enormous responsibility and expense. which it has incurred in their management. It appeared, bye rsiurn made to the House of Commons, Nov. 90. 1848, that the esiimsied value of the Assets in the hands of the Commissioners, to meet ilie claims of the trustees, amounting In £30,236,668, was only £25,0ll,998, being a deficiency of £4,624,- 670. And by aprsvious Return made in May, I844, of the difference belwecn the amounts of interest paid to the Trustees of the several Savings Banks,and that which the Commissioners received, for dividends on the Siocks.ln which the several invesimenls were made, iismounted to the enourmous sum of .£'il,l7l I99 l2s. fid. being a total loss, from August I817. to Nov. I843, added to the National Debt. That loss mus’. very probably have been greatly increased since these returns were in e,and I believe there is a growing feeling. that these lnstiluiions are not so eniirely neficial, as they were at one time thought to be. I had some experience in the workin of s Savings Bank previously to leaving England, and I observed that a large proportion 'of the funds deposited, were the‘ savings of parties, who had no need of the aid or‘ s Savings Bank, and bad no proper title to share its benefits but the ifiiculty with the managers was how to dis- criminate so as to reject the deposits ofi‘ered. But there is another objection to the Bill and that arises from its emposing additional and very res nsiblo duties upon a public oficer who is a ready very inad uatcly remunerated without providing means r paying for those services. We have no right oficer inf the sition of esssating c or o duties not re rl belon ' to his ofiicegleiut which should bepopeyrformetrbs tary and philanthropic exertions. Throu out Scotland (and I am a great admirer of their management of all Ecnniarkmatunp there are no Government vings nks. ‘be ac- cumelation of the frugal are paid into the joint stock banks and by them difiused in lhcilitatiug commercial operations in the nei bbourhood in which the money is collected. ‘hey consider money locked up in Sevin Banks as so much dead stock,and that the true commercial prin- ci is is always to kee mone as much as pos- si ile in active circulation. or these reusona, nd as ore is as I said before every obability ofa sound bank being established, think this is not the time to entertain such a measure as is contemplated by the Bill before the House. The Hon. Mr. Swinav.—I to ask if the cat losses sustained in the mans eat of the ad?” ‘° °'° b9 6. vings Banks are not to ‘be a terms of the act, which caused Government when suuis were invested to lose owing toe fixed price the amount which-disrise of the funds would to all other gmrtiss have glvsam the shape of profit. '1‘he Hon. Mr. ilnrsr.rv.—Thst no doubtia ope cause out of the many others that lead It s t in. - The Hon. Mr. lloi.i..—'1'his measure of en- courege_m_ent to industycus and vids sons originated in goo t in and rtiss were not eat tied to the § U 1 > m w 2‘ Hon. lorsliiilerlie eosslderstiooof its detd ‘ Uh ; I nei sttlestsrly scllclious sbodt ll", should protected from loss. , g ,5, f_ ," . The no... in. l-loi.i..—l think as-Iris’ am has to ltiaiisdte moo-iths eiroomstsassa aftha r dc lion and mat the maximum ofdspeslt should 190 The llill ui thee read a second ilas.