or l t’ h, ~-~nueeairaclcn-»~-»»~-csd-aaowc- JANUARY o. leaz i i ; THE ctlannlm h‘ i " - i ' r r ‘ . .. “' , . . would no l v I Q-It would be a beam with two A—-N°- was. the beam fill" Where the light was 0r any conclusions gotutmllhi- hi" 03;?" “MPH”? t n Si‘ 1 t moves in it. which would so across Q-"imlie W" w‘ "1' u‘ ii" 9'1“ “he” "" ‘w’? m“ M“ “mum m’ m m mail-cubic was that y A-No sir y ' y the wall and then a llah‘. piece a’ iii" °i "is "iii"! ‘ii’ "m" Y” ‘Am’ s!" 0' I m’ m" w“ m“ ' M‘ A. Th: .13.... noticed rim. it Q-Bow oounllnasdid y" t‘ . . . mum,“ Wt, the (pp? went in» telook at m mt wir- Q-Was there my tackle? lathe ceiling? when the it mt ~ a ‘ii _ u, c re? A. yeg gu- 1 egg years ago hadauch headway that w p Y have out there? .1 , Apyut it would (it oygi- m; wlr g ame up wile Ar-No. r A .8" t how n: ted‘ Th a 3 mm hum" _ I _ l en e a r u A-Through MicQueerfs room. m. Btewart. theQl-e hvsahittgmbeu: t m." naming???“ 13v, u‘ you. ptutou ‘ma-Z bgtitnzafiown to 1 1_t_ a; .,_. I ‘ts-How was that moulding secur. 2:11‘): into the attic? ymxQg-gxtixllllt never been used in A: About Minna‘? of how me n" Emma? Q__whn we w“ we hm um .‘ '%filld frompaae l) Q-In that unfinished attic there AFNuued with small bl-gg nails. Q-Up in the blind attic, wliei-g ib-NQ Q. You any the wire was 00ml!!! A-It is pretty hard It, had out there? . ,_,._-. l were two or three rooms? $860M: It coma be ‘any tom did they come up? Q_ (Mu 3",) Th, to, 0t the down through a hole, what did you u, judge how the fire si 1. t A._!bur inch. Mr. Trainor told , t t A-Ycs- om s-on rile outside dormitory, to- dumb waiter shaft was closed? 4° "mi i" Q—-Whaa did W" fir" --" ° inc it w» 4 inch. They had small" _ luau, : 1 ' Q-dh whit section o! the blllild- Q-Did they have lights? A_n could be mum 0th It would “um the other amt I L ye,’ tut A. There was nothing to be dun’ the fire? er hue than that for smaller lines I t n" - In: wan those old fashioned types A-oile in each not he huu to tuhe 0th Q-On the Outside dvrmlwfy- Q~ B!’ "hi"? “M” it‘ A-About ten minutes a: ciahl. Q_.3° ma; our, water wasnit teat m I I N "Ii "W" "iii" Q-‘Mir 5mm“ “"3"” w" Q-You could take it off with Show me where the wiring camel A. Boards Q- Willi-w" d“ W“ 1° “P? Q-Ycu save "is "m" ed at all by the city firemen? t : A-‘Ihere were all ever, but they in this room your hands? up? Q. Werc these boards nailed? A- x m“ “i! i!" m!" 1 W" "P A_1-[enry Jenkins. km, ‘in " _- I W" ma"? in “w” “"- (Mr- 3°") Th!‘ l‘ l" m’ ah" A-No, not easy. The brass was A-Tha line came up throulh here 4- Y". sir. it was all fastened "n" I we” m w‘ ‘ Wm m’ " Q-Dld W" 1°“ m“ u‘ ‘J Y“ Q—Because the hose would no! ‘ “ * t Q—But there were some there? part. put u, thttth Q.“ “m, up in the uuiinmted solid. mm’- "d m‘ “m w” h“? were in the flre room? fit? z ‘"71"? we" "an" m“ by Palm" 9-9“ He”) The" we" at has‘ Q~If you were a little bit desper- attic part? Q. Nailed to what? ‘hm’ I "m up “d puma e A-Yea, I was sitltna oil iliit =5‘ A-Yea. \ .' '; h’ and Wakwh. thirty-eight lisliie 1°? “"9 5°” °t ate you could take it off? A-Yes. A. Beams running tacross. °°rd thrown um glne. I went right direct to the at- Q_.pid they try or examine it a1 f‘ r7 v Q-It does not make any differ- fuses? t a-Yss- M" 5mm Q. Then the dumbwaiter shalt Q- Th‘ w" w“ mm W“ °° uc. " nui- » , “iiflfh an : ~ once who by. And the iype of fuse A-Yes, sir. ‘Fund thut w“ up tram the Q4)“ tt touow the tuulu hotth wall that is the walls surround- n“ "am m Q-Bad the fire broken thriii-‘lh A-No sir. l don't think they did “~11”? a _I . ' block used ordinarily. €X¢9l>l~ D"- Q-Dld you know ‘J19 “P543151! 0i 1100f belqw? wnll qi Lhg building? 1118 the dumb waiter shalt, what A‘ Ye,’ t the roof then? -not to my knowledge. I was in i“ 11 - V; ihapa in a case of the intakes and the fuses? A_Yes_ A__'me south wan were they? glgwit‘: u" you A-Y“. we engine wom- .’:.l;;.:. —' ";_ iror power, would be the screw type A-Ycs. ihiriy aillperes. Q_Aud went up the Stde 0t the‘ Mu Bach A. Brick on three aides. Q‘ trzen” h“ could euuy "uh Q-Ycu saw thai? Q-‘lhey would naturally set your o. ' "' t? lfuse, the socket type fuse? Q-Thirty ampcres? wall in McQueen; room? To the Q_1=\ggm ilie unfinished hurt 0t Q. What was on the other aide? a“ t y 5.51", uggigguiieg? ‘us. l" : t A-Yrs- Bir- A-Yes- ~ " ccilingl ulc attic cculd you see wires gcing A- W°°¢ A Pretty close to it. o-ncwr A-Yes. "ma? L‘ Q-w us 8° 4° iiie "warn "i"! Q-Thsi is a very hear-i’ iii"? A-No, that is as m as it come. up? Looking c: rilc wall coilld you Q‘ A“ I u’ “"°°"“”“ m” ‘m’ q‘ On a chair you could 5o coa- A-We ‘will iii“ °“i ‘i '*“° ‘°°"i Q (Mr. Been-what was thn b‘ the building Where the fire orig- A-Yes, sir. a very heavy fuse. Q__u stopped tum, m the whet ‘out: up, that the ens side. I presume it stdetmy mm tum thut, in gcb to the side of the building. u,“ tum u; hue Depammut. up. t m ‘iii.’ incited. can you tell me difinltell" Q-How long have they been A__yeS_ A-Yes. woumb? the mum side o’ the dumb A yen Q (Mr. Stewart) You went in the uuratus to get the“? _ ugh,“ m how many sets of fuses lvere ill that time? Q_Y°u Said it m" to the tenet? Q_H°w were they promwd’ m waiter shaft, was constructed from Q: Ho‘; high w" the cent“ tn north west unmet. u; the wing‘ ' A_They Just brought a Sm“, t w: iii Wins? 1 111"" by wsr i“? “s” ‘i’ A-EY" silica I “mi ‘"8"’- rb-li did not come up any fur- rile unfinished attic going up tilc “i” °° “m” °' "W" this attic? 1 would say it was a A-Yee. truck first. run-u ‘ I s"- °iis w m" i“? Qriiiei’ W" "Si"! "m" "h" ther. n branched across to the toil- blind attic? ' A if" merry low ceilinz. isn't it? Q-Whai did 1°“ 1W ‘mi Y“ Q-Diu they buns a ha"? an: w A-Tilere were five. you rlvent there and you Just wri‘ et. A-They weren't protected. Yes,“ u you know? A. No, sir, fairly high. I would went to the attic? - A__1 couldn-i; gg.y_ r “it _ Q-Five sets? tinned using them? Q~Isift the toilet across the attic Q-Tiley weren't covered with ' ' ' 111C186 flbulili the 59ml! lifilllili I! U"! A-It was lull of smoke and fire Q__wuu tt the uhemiml truck? __ 3 A-Yei» 53'" A-Yes- 5"‘- floor? beading? Q mere was not just m open- ceiling here. . gull the patients were coining down. A-Weii I guess it was. It was one m l Q-Wiiere were "WY 1mm“? Mr- Ew- A-Yes. ‘PM 1:8 h; the brick m the doom’ w“ Q; How lcuiz was the piece of Q-md thop who were sleep‘ of the small trucks. °° A-Ln the basement. Q-Were all the fuses of those Q-Tlie wires came up on the in- Q-What were they, lust tube? in No ‘h, drop cord from the ceiling? mg in the attic come out? Q_w" m,“ only one ti-uek "Tm m _Q-~All in the basement? five sets thirty amphere fuses? slut at the muth “h 0t tuoquem.‘ A___Y”_ I q. Th.‘ other m“ M" m i“ A It wag ligngirlg down five feet, 540m, w," cmm‘ down mg m," out? ‘b. t ac: A-Ycs, air. A—Yes, sir. room-l Q-To wring were they gggigmdp u to“ know we” comtmzted at probably a little more. mil-g, Moat of them were down. - 5;“ tutu Q-Did you have a supply of ex- Q—Dld you have spareiuses? A_yegt Ar-To lhe wall. hutch, ' Q. And if there was a drop cord Q__wh° w“ l‘ tug ueig? Q_what w“ the m“ m“ t‘ ‘wit. ll. tla fuses? lib-Yes, we always had spare fus- Q-D1d they go right up to the Q—Was it a brick wail? A_ y" hanging down ifive feet from the d Mom“ comet, . A~Ysa sir- sr- , ceiling of McQueervs room? A—'No, wood. Q uhuwtm ma,“ hum the cellins and you teak a chair and *'°w“° Jew“ m A__An°ther uuch with u,“ ma, Q-H0w many outlets were their Q_H5,ve you ever known these _li_ypg, giglii; up, Q-You went up to the blind attic hmuch 0t the mutt.“ mutt h‘ the stood on it you could easily reach it? Sheri-an and Henri’ Jiiiiklm- h“ them on En the true“ ln the wesiem wing? Perhaps you thirty umrphere fuses to blow out? Q_Aud then crossed on the tgil. rmu ygu went even- to where the htthu utttu and goth‘ to the MW A. Of course thecord might no Q-And were they able to Bet a; Q-md they have mm t” m“ Cami“ "m" "m" we a" Swami! °i "is “is Wins? ma? wires came up thrvush the attic Varlah-Bark room cut dlascrlally m” m” 3"” m’ ‘m’ ‘ hm ‘mm we pm o! the am“ trucks there eventually? A-NQ m" “"771” ma“ wmg- ‘A-No. they were on the liisldd- “euiiiil? FY01" were Where did iliel’ across the head of the dumb waiter Q‘ w” the“ my “h” "mm “wmer? 1-: think there were three. Q-speaking scout the outlets, Q_Huve you ever replaced my, Q_,I,hey were not ‘exposed? gut than? why you went up there? A-At that time, no sir. _ t Q_D° you know mo m‘ pump“ how many were there? A__we huve changed them. but A_No_ Just t“ u “he comma to A_1=»mut when they “the up, A Y” m,‘ A. No, sir. Q—Wirat about McQueeua room wtm o“ lee l" A-I cannot sive that lo you iii-i? no‘. for being blown out. ill-lg toilet, Q-You are up in the blind attic Q, 30y, w", thtte Wu." "cub Q. Were you having any trouble their? ' A_§'° m I "w" "w t‘ N” the how. I had "i "will" °' ‘m’? Q-Why did you chahss them? Q-This line was on the celiina? and tracing the wirlns. how did ed? Wm‘ u” “Sh”? A-Tlmi” wk“ my Wm m“ n-w rn r ‘ lillllt in the buildinfl. A-We would be changing them A__.YQ5_ t they ‘go? ' A_ gluten“ with ingulutloh pot. 5- NO- 9h‘- 1118 9° 8°‘ h!” l" “l” mm" The Qlger? 51o“ the" when t the, u Q-cCan you figure it out by fuses? around for dampness. They would q__il had bggdlng Qvep it? A-They went over the centre of celain blocks, square blocks to wires Q_ These uuhts tn the utttc do“ whole attic was afire and blazing. were “ling l” t‘ t D A-Yes. air. get corrugated up. _li,_Nn, the dormitory. e one en each end, mttory tn the Mcvhmtusurk room‘ Q-You blew the whistle? A-No m not down when m” ._ i Q—-Dovm in the basement. how Q-The dining room is damn? Q--It was open wiring scrnss the Q-What happened there? q. (Mr. Stewart) That was up u“, we... they continue." lk-Mr- Jtiiiiii" "l" i“ “m”, m, utu, ‘tt many lilhll were till"? A-There would always be a cer- ceiling of the attic dormitory? A—Tli¢y branched from there in- above? A Jugt Qufngd oi; Aa soon as he told me about the Gino 3°“'kn°w what m“ n A-Nirie. taln amount of dampness, scrubbing 5.31m to this room. . A. Yes. Q A twttch? fire ‘I told him to blow the whistle vmved? l’ Q-Nirle lights in the basement of with u-nrm water, v Q~And then into the toilet? Q-‘lhey branched diagonally to Q. Up in the blind attic? A, Ne, air, p, butter; on the light, and I ran to the attic. r A_The his pummkm m t the western wing? Q—Aild brass and copper is hlgh- A-Yes, the Sark-Mcvarrlsh room? A. Yes. Q How um they tum out the Q~Were they b81118 fl-iil’ "ti" _ u ‘or m" ' f A-That is in the dinins i‘°°iii ly subject to corrosion? Q-was there a. light in the toil- A-Yes. Q. (Mr. Beer) Were these wires light m the attic dofmitgfy? then? ' ‘a“_;:y our mm would b‘ lulu‘ over where the fuses were. A__.Ye5_ ct? Q-By doing met they would 3n fastened on the top of the dumb A, Thgre w“ g gwiggl-l ouggiug . Adm” we" mm‘ thu hon my tmcm M“ and “m! w‘ ' Q—-Nlne in the dining i‘°°m- m“ Q-But you never tried lighter A-No, almost directly over the dumb walt- will" $118"? D0 W" 311°" ll the" the door. Q_HW w“ 1t working? no u“ n n! many in the rest or the basement? tum tn there? Q_R was not use“ H Shaw) was u uomeluht hutch oh the top Q You just stated you could not t~e preasur of the tank as a source A-The water was very sood but A-‘Ihere were three from that A_'Nu_ A_N° it was not useth luqiiglit uluttgstdh of the dumb waiter? much the light in the ‘imic dgl-m]. mm w“ no p t h S: “;Pti;“tm"~ii.i’°‘m§$iu§:“f°" u, the rest of the buildius- Q—Dld ycu have any lighter fus- Q-The ligile that was used in Q-Bis? hut War iii Say this was A" N“ m‘ w"? Q-Were you down on the lower wuld they have sot any pressure? ""1 Q-That‘ is in the Mfilifi-Wii-Y? es? mg agile delirium-y wgllld be about the shaft that came along here. Q; The"? W" 11°" A. No, air. “w”? ‘A N t t d at Sm m. an» ‘IA-Yea, air. . A-Yes. ilie calm-g oi glig dni-lniwy-yr Here is the Mcvarish room, we will A- N°- "i" . Q. Was it necessary for them to A Y“ m m “m? gedfi: b“; ‘ht yum Q—-Whtt about the section of the Q——Wl'i3.L were they for? A-Yes. draw a line. there is the dumb wait. Q- what distill” W°ii1ii W" 56V be reached? Q_How about the prom“ the“? t: ° ‘d nnecwd its“ with the .. . building west of the dining Timmy Ar-Wllcir they were putting in the Mr. Stewart. n? "I would be ‘mm the central point A. Nam‘ that u the "mm they A-It was better on the lower; e: ‘i: cum ut ‘th pwum- up the basement? new work in the other part of the Q-wculd that wll-Q touch the A--The wires run right across m the “d '3' the M°v".“h‘5“'k Ware so hllh- n m‘ ' w° d z at do a but h, A-Going right throush to ilid building we used only fifteen. dumb waiter box? m"- ? branch? Q. whatvabout the suit-Nev“. oomYh have flredrillthere some t? thidsecgn t storthwnhw-rhen . basement.’ _ Q___How tong have they been. at A_Yes‘ it “m fight by ‘t. Q_Ru;m across the mp o! the A. I would say about nine feet. igh mm. wuid the light b, "ugh. ‘:3 W wou niznpu dsrous . m n ~ y Q4301“ over towards the in- the ‘york? Q-It did not run through it? shaft? t Q. Nine. feet, it must be more ed thump t esY was only f y rtzun ‘MENU o Iil-mary in the basement? A-Jrile female side was all c0m-' A-No. right alongside. A-Yes. , I ha“ that? 5- “(i-w- n°t "Rim"? 39m"! “P A- es‘ the"? that tank when w“ u ' t " s A-Tbdr is the dlnihs ruiiui- nicicd. " Mr. Beer. Q—Ycu had a lisht in the centre ‘Ant I "gm? “Y ‘i "Wm l" “b?” ah a bed or something. Qr-LYW "m Q-Tiie mill‘ “iii Y°;ih “"1? v2 i i . . i t , th . A- . » -. ' - ' ' Q-Where were the cells in the Q~It was completed? It was just Q-The light in the main dormi-t- of the att.c dormitory? egq e3“! eltrokrtlglytwvavzntlltloolftk 8M6- Q. There was no open wiring in Q-Mz“ about the ha" on mo” ttznlieisswtt: hunger,’ inrmltemllteuamp? V H ‘h _ l‘ basement loos/Led? the last year yvu had lighter fuses? ory room was about in the centre _ A-—Yea. ' ' ‘he S“'k'M°v‘"l5h "Wm? . y p "- A_vfl_y n", the centre 0t the A_Ye5' o! the room? Q_Huw was it fed? Kenzle. is how far or at what dis- A, No, air. occasions? A-Yes air. tance apart were the porcelain blocks supporting the wire? A-Fairly good shape. I! "i"? were any leaks or anytliiii! "#10118 Q-If you had pressure would at you have enough water to keel Q. (Mr. Stewart) Were all the lights in the attic controlled by one buildlnfl. ‘r Q-Were there extrajights tilcre? Q-Let us take Ilia cottage, you live in ille cottage? A-Olf this line. Q-Was there another line run- Ae-Yies. I Q-‘Illare was another light in ' i A- o" every °i'°55 beiim- it h? e re aired them. . feeding a hose that would be putting A-Yes. sir. there was. a iisiii A-Yes. not now. i the room occupied by McVarrish hlris siralsht down rile building to "i ° w i’ V . . Q. On every cross beam, _ tth e? 7 ‘hem Q-You did We m m and Sam m We" missed? none $2..» Th" —- "id h" the ax; crlfifw wgierrsocixt tbhye fir: way the pump Q-m“ “um be one more? Amyes‘ AA,“ ‘Acme Mk “the M°vmsh' si- Ne. sir- cure dorlrlito r y Q-wculd they tum an all lira was wcrlrinll-tlrar is 4i Blllona i A-Yes. sir. _ Q~It was electrically lighted? Q-Jn what part of the room? Sark room to the centre of the attic Q. But the" were no“ on the A Yes m” hose at once? ~ Both pump! “e on the “me we" ~". Q-Woilid there be any m?" A-Ycs. A-The centre. ddmritcry. tut, o. the dumb Waite, smut, ' ' ' ' i l" ' a . <- .'I‘h Ilhti lat! - uldbeonaa di: dthrohth lights in that section? Q-Wllat capacltytfusus did you Q-Was it open wiring on the Q-Tlwfe was Ht 011B Mme. We A Nu’ Shh asqwem are was a 8 n u‘ a tc A “gm o’ tzfiuz; the wan“; 2:” lgfhgzmxzuld beugo beset??? , . 5"“? the” w” °“° as y” go have ‘here? “"1"!” ““d"s“md' ‘i ‘mm’ “m” m“ i“ Q. And yet it would be at least: a Yes air you w uldwhave the llosc turned i usin. ulc two pumps toseiber 0m "'4 DU‘, the door in the hall.‘ m e A-Jrwentyfive, A-No, it came through the ceil- order to hoist food up to feed the three feet? Q‘ u é“ éontmued separately? ‘filteythiziiwlndw m L“ them m ca" the hm” I Q—NOW. Mr. McKenz e. 0S Q-Thal; is very heavy filse? lng. Patients? A yes Sh. two and oh‘. huh tent A' Y t i ' . i ' ' ' ' - . . t l ' . - lszhts would be all from those sets A-'I'ilere was more than one line. Q ~ SIIPPOSC something went A-Yes. anyway, Q. Tehserse rwas a door there be. thzziilitlgufotulecgilltlilthtg “It: x? largo: 121330“ you had used 10m t, f ‘Q there wa th coilvalcs to tl wr 1th til ' whil wei- Q—And w understand that the i dag. air. direct from the board. 5 e w‘ " ‘e ‘mg “' ° “m” °‘ ° e Q‘ 5° m“ “i “m” b‘ “m” "we" "iii "i" ii°iiiiii°fy "iii ii" A-No sir. same yum gallons out of the tank before the up ‘above the ceiling. how would use of this dumb waiter had been lace between thm, m. t , w“ ' i q-Those five sets of fuses con- Q__Thcrc would bc quite 3, mlm- you g0 about repairing that? discontinued and other means o.’ 5mm“ the top ht the dfigrbiieait: m?“ $352k Q-Oh the first floor they W011i: firemen got there? _ itrclled, or safeguarded. ¢li9 Weswi“ bel- of lights on that line? A-Ycu would have w get up ov- transporting the food was used? mutt when the putcttuth w“ used? w“; that d”: “pt locked u“ 5'" “m” “ Dream" “f! n "mud 5'4!“ “ha” w“ l‘ 1°‘ o‘ “n” mm: only? A__ytl5‘ uulte u mu et-htuu mat i‘ hot-mutt A Yes’ tut the “ma? v get less the farther up you woul going. ‘that was what was killing ,, A.__Ygg, 51:, _ Q-You are quite familiar with Q-How would you get up over- A-Yes- Q, Did ygu name any flack A_ Y“, um 3°? me wmure‘ Q-There were fourteen lights in the wuthg throughout the whole head? Q_1t w“ supposed to he Secured the”? Q A8 a technical mm. m. m? A-Yes. t t Q-I think if wehrevert to Am the basement? lvestern wing? A-Iil the hallway there was a on eccil nccl-l A_ Nu u,’ th, Wu.” Wm tuht heme, you would m" mhdend Q-was rile pressure any d" ai‘ srlcan aailane it will he eisier rs A-Yes, sir. y A,_YE5_ hatch. A-Yiis- - Q. Do you know how old the wir- mm uii mule, what mitht h“, "it Ii u" n" 411115 m“ ii W" "lure filil-‘l- The ‘capacity of thr Q~W0llld there be m0"? ma" Q-Was it all concealed wiring? Q-Whlch hallw-ay? A Q-eso that no person could gain ing was? uuuged mi; git-t‘ “M, the nth you the “mm d me n"? tank l“ Amflmm “mm” l" that on the first floor Inside of the ceiling? A-Jcearllng into the big dormitory entry to it? A. No, air, it was there before my have thought it over, you would like AgNo w‘ A-‘mlmo’ , A_.0! the ward? A-No sir. not all. Q—-That would be over the stairs? A-Yes. time. u; feel you we". not t-gtpomiblt tn Q4315 W" "I511" m“ 7m“ ‘Nb Q43‘? W“ kmw the “Vac”? °' ! Q-Ol Ward 1 and l? Q-Was most Dilly? A-comilig up the stairs, there Q-Was this secured at each Q. were you ever informed cf eny way? Bi‘ iiiililillf Willi? Biimiiieiii 011 w‘ the pump on the flre departmeni A-Just three items on each A-Mbst of it. was a hatch in the ceiling above fleas? any leaks thrcush the roof there? a. No, sir. °°iiiii °i m’ 1°" Vim“? 9mm" . ‘ , ‘Mt Q-J-Iow was it lip in the attic? rile stairs leading to the attic dcrnl- A-‘Ycs. A. No. sir. a You would like to feel that? A4?" "i" -*"N° "i- _ Q-And then there are some Pul- A-The wlrcs in the attic were all itory. You come up the stairs and Q~Are you sure? Q. Did you ever lmuw oi any A. Yea, sir. Q-Th" w" Bmfimly “W” Q-n 1' 1-000 3mm“ i‘ minute there among the ' B? A-Yes air, I. always was scared and dreaded lire especially before concealed but coming from Mc- Queens room across to the sewer- age that was tljicrc. That was used safe-way; and dDfmltMY- There would be more than six lliliis °" each floor? leaks being there? A. No, air, not on that part of the building. tile main door is here. There was an entry around hero, about four feet. The hatch was right here over A-They were supposed to be nailed. Q~A_re you sure they were se- If it were possible to attach it tn your gl-"vity tank it would be new easary to make a connection ovel Q. You would like to know that you did your duty? A. Yes, sir. A—There would be six lishis. years ago for an attendants room. the ceiling. cured to each floor? Q. Haw ions are since you were o. Then on tile other hand, as is we sot the new h‘: vumn- 4 inches as the suction hase irars ‘counting rile attendants room on Q_wnn; kind or wiring was that? Q-Thc hatch was in the ceiling? A-I am not positive. up in that blind attic? nearly always tile case, it comes to Q-Apparently the puma did hat the bumper is about that diuneac [he ward. A—-C0lllmi)l1 black wile. Ar-Yes. Q-Did you ever look at the open A- Ami" 5'3"“ you that perhaps there were two or increase the pressure? -' Suppose you had 25,000 Amuicam Q-That would give us eighteen Q-Tube? It ran into McQueens Q-Irl the entry way just before lhiz of the elevator shaft? Q- 45°"? I W"? three little details left undone, there A—We always hid a full auPDlY gallons in your tank and it was “Button three hoot-u? room»; you opened the duruutm-y door? A_Noi purliculu,iy_ A. About a year as far as I can generally is, you know. We are all in the tank. likely you hid more by the time A-Yes, air. A-It came up through McQueerfs A-Yes. Q-As a practical man you would 3“d3°- human? Q-But you did not have pressure they got there and the capacity oi Q-And then we had an attic mm Q_What was rile size 0i Lhet realize, no doubt, that any slim Q- Wiiaiiiiiia 0i Ysar wasitihai A Yes. sir. and consequently the supply was the ,ulnper was‘ 1.000 gallons par ‘have that? Q--Was it exposed in McQueen! hatchway? throuah a building acts as a flue l‘ “h” ‘wrwn? Q- Tlle lrllln object in this ln- no good? Isn't that right? minute how long would the liilililli A-Yee, sir. room? A—I would say about two feet iii "56 0i a lira? 5' I“ m” mmmn“ Vmllliim‘ i! W find 0i" “i! “l!” A-Yea. last? Q-How many lights would "m" A-No, there was a beading over and a half square. Just g, small A-Yes. Q‘ I“ m‘ ‘ummen °1 n" "P9 511d 59ml" MF- “Willi? Q-When did the city firemen A-Last no time. be there? it. That ls ulc way cll wiring was. hatch. Q-And as enaineer in chargc of A- W" "i" u" "use" had a familiar lrdcw- rcdcn rile scene of rile lire? Q~25 minufgs? A-Just the two. n wooden beading. Q-How was it constructed? the m9°llanicai arid constructional Q‘ Pr°bably ‘Wu m‘) 1"‘ mm‘ M?“ °i u" bmml“! u“ 5" mi‘ A-I would Judge around 9 o" A-Not that time- ‘v q_-rna-, would be in the attic Q__'wa5 there any break in that? A-Wood. details you would iolcw it would be m"? "W" °“" m?" "'4 “Pm” ii clock, probably a few rnirluuis be- Q-You have considered that? Bermitory? was there any fuse box? Q-Wea-e you ever up there? your duty in look after those things, A‘ Y's’ m’, r m“ in m” with“ n“ w“ m’ fore. A-Yeg, ~ n-an, in the dormitory and sue A-Yes, ellcrc was a fuse bclr not A-Yea. woman's you? Q Yo“ m" remember the d" th°'°’°'° w’ m" w M" °“ ‘h’ m‘ Q—what lrrcsress had the fire q (Mr. Stewart) By whr-t means cumatancea: Or do you remember the circumstances at the time you went up there? . A. No, air, I don't. Q. Waa that the first time you were ever up there? A. No, sir, I was up there. formation given ua in order to get at some conclusion, and would seem a waste of time for us to sit here day‘ after day questioning the cm- ployees without getting anywhere. I am not saying we are not getting anyvmera at all, but we want the In the main attic. Q_weill you mean to say in the "m, uwiypiegi by sari: and Mc- Narrish and one in the attk: dorm- itory? - t A--Yes, sir. Q—'l‘hat attic dormitory was par- Ar-Yes. Q-I know there ls possibly l thousand and one things to look alter, hut at the same time I am sorry you can't give me that in- formation. fret us gr; back tn the blind attic. You say the elevator at present time. ft was taken out. Q-When? A-Follr years ago. Q-Wholtook that out-an elec- trician? Ar-YEH. Q-Wcre there any loose ends of Q--How much room was there between the attic oelllng and the roof? ~ A-l would judge about three feet and a half. Going over you would have te stoop to get along. Q-There was no floor? made on the roof when they roach- ed there? A.—-Most all the main aide of the roof was on fire. Q-But it did not go in? A-Nct to the main part of the was the lire ettlnlilllliiiil iii 19357 A-IDM. That wizs the tower. It was all done wiiu our own squib- meat right there. Q_At that time there was a tank in the tower? , v _ Q you wen; u the in 1 t h t t _ building. The roof had not fallen in A-Yea. tuiougu d; mm inc rest of the wire cl- any of that metal left? A-—No, there was Mme ooards. shaft penetrated into the blind do t undmtunu, to t’; ‘£1321; at“; mzzzgtttihztmxttecztm: but ulc end that started ill-st moat q-nat wasn't replaced? unfinished attic? There were wmu A-No, it was all connected up Q-Now, you say you have been Ho? in‘? that is another matter- but if there °7 it "u m‘ 4-K“ ‘m rooms in that unfinished "ii" and closed aver. up there? A-Yel- li_ yguiu t, my tuttuuutluu tuut you hm Q-Did the firemen couple up Q-Wll it used at the time cl 5'7" mu“ me “m when me 9'35’ beam“? A-Y” Q"'T° "mt hm“ "m" u“ ‘q. Why did you go up again after regardless of the fast that you ara Vi"! your Water? the fire? ' l6 111 A—- . » b! I C .. lllflij Ch. l. I "lmu we" ‘ e9 s’ “am” m mmy the" w“ Q-why w" 7°“ "P “m” m‘ mm hi‘ N’ °' ' “l m you learned that there was no tma- under oath, you can always say in A-NO llr- A—N0 ll!‘- Q-I mean there was an attic Inrmi A-I went up through the hatch to see where the lines were rim- dormitory would the dumb waiter bl r shalt rise? ' . Q-Did they try to? AI The llehtcomingdownintlae A-No. There was no connection giving an oath, that you think so and so, without it being rieceasaary Q-Andtowhichtankwculdyfll -“"'°“' ‘i ’°°"‘ °°°“‘ gm the mdit xcl- crucclumne no exposed wire in‘ McQueerfa pied byi McQueen and one occupied morn? t nirlg? A-Jual to the level of the beams. ttttu durum," w“ just “hum thtt tt t. "m, "on “ma.” .1 to, the ctty ha” u“ u", by Ildylffllh and Sark, and then A-No. not in liscoueerrs l-ccnl. Q-Why? q-wluit wastths construction of u," tmuth u, 0pm,“ ~ "m uh m to tau ‘mum m Q4,“ tum a Du“ to, w,“ h“, mu u u“ tutu“ mu,’ there vtu an attic dormitory out- q-‘rills beading you spoke of, of A-In case anything would llap- the dun-lb waiter shaft? q, Ygu uiguyi Qhgfg w“ no m. gnaw um would he of any assist- uecting hose at the foot of the the beat werkbecallae amen 1 or aide of. that? what was it constructed? pen. A-Jt was closed over and it was m“ u, ti“ with‘ "m, mm“ Wu “h do thut m‘ m“, - _ - s-rik. A—Wood. o-old naming happen? lust the wheel whra tho elevator A-mt ia for draiains it out Continued on pass I A. Theroaettewaaontheaidsof peyenknewtlaacoiuaoftllalira? i