president,
      are
      prepared
      to
      get
      up
      in
      the
     
     
      morning
      and
      do
      for
      the
      place.
     
    
   
   
    
     
      KB:
      Lets
      move
      into
      budgetary
      concerns.
     
     
      Three
      years
      ago
      the
      government
      cut
      3%
      ©
     
     
      from
      the
      university
      budget.
      2
      years
      ago
     
     
      they
      cut
      4%
      and
      this
      years
      it’s
      0%,
      it’s
     
     
      staying
      the
      same,
      and
      that
      is
      with
      the
     
     
      extra
      50
      million
      dollars
      in
      the
      provincial
     
     
      treasury.
      How
      or
      what
      will
      you
      do
      with
     
     
      the
      province
      to
      influence
      them
      to
      commit
     
     
      more
      financially
      to
      the
      university.
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      “
      I
      don’t
      think
      it’s
      a
      successful
     
     
      game
      plan
      to
      go
      pleading
      to
     
     
      government
      about
      how
      hard
     
    

    
     
      things
      are
      at
      the
      university.”
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      WM:
      Well,
      there’s
      work
      to
      do
      on
      that.
     
     
      You’re
      absolutely
      right
      to
      say
      that
      the
     
     
      university
      has
      not
      prospered
      at
      a
      time
     
     
      when
      the
      provinces
      public
      finances
      are
      in
     
     
      better
      shape
      than
      they
      were
      when
      some
     
     
      of
      those
      tougher
      decisions
      were
      made
      in
     
     
      the
      mid
      90’s.
      And
      if
      you
      look
      over
      about
     
     
      aten
      year
      time
      frame
      the
      basic
     
     
      contribution
      or
      the
      core
      budget
      the
     
     
      university
      receives
      from
      the
      province
     
     
      hasn’t
      changed
      from
      where
      it
      was
      in
      91.
     
     
      Not
      withstanding
      the
      fact
      that
      we’ve
      got
     
     
      a
      lot
      more
      activity
      in
      a
      number
      of
      key
     
     
      areas
      not
      than
      we
      had
      then.
      So
      in
      any
     
     
      case
      there’s
      a
      lot
      to
      do
      in
      working
     
     
      together
      with
      the
      government
      and
      with
     
     
      the
      broader
      community
      that
      has
      a
      lot
      of
     
     
      influence
      on
      how
      the
      government
     
     
      appreciates
      the
      value
      of
      the
      university
     
     
      and
      it’s
      really
      in
      that
      broader
      frame
      that
      I
     
     
      think
      we
      have
      to
      do
      that
      work.
      I
      don’t
     
     
      think
      it’s
      a
      successful
      game
      plan
      to
      go
     
     
      pleading
      to
      government
      about
      how
      hard
     
     
      things
      are
      at
      the
      university,
      but
      rather
      it’s
     
     
      to
      make
      the
      case
      and
      do
      it
      through
     
     
      effective
      advocacy
      for
      the
      value
      of
      the
     
     
      university
      and
      to
      bring
      it
      down
      to
      the
     
    
   
   
    
     
      bottom
      line
      it’s
      this,
      if
      PEI
      is
      to
      do
      well
     
     
      in
      a
      knowledge
      age
      then
      UPEI
      has
      to
      do
     
     
      well.
     
    

    
     
      KB:
      Now
      to
      discuss
      professors,
      it’s
      very
     
     
      rare
      that
      you
      see
      a
      UPEI
      professor
     
     
      engaging
      in
      a
      socially
      militant
      activity.
     
     
      Now,
      maybe
      that
      has
      to
      do
      with
      job
     
     
      retention
      or
      climbing
      the
      university
     
     
      ladder
      but
      I
      wonder
      if
      the
      lack
      of
      funding
     
     
      had
      something
      too
      do
      with
      a
      poor
      job
     
     
      that
      UPEI
      has
      done
      in
      expressing
      itself
      in
     
     
      the
      community.
     
    
   
   
    
     
      WM:
      I
      suppose
      I
      might
      start
      by
     
     
      challenging
      at
      least
      the
      premise
      on
     
     
      which
      the
      question
      is
      based.
      That
      is
      to
     
     
      say
      that
      people
      in
      the
      university
      aren’t
     
     
      contributing
      or
      taking
      part
      and
      in
      fact
     
     
      one
      of
      the
      things
      that
      is
      really
      important
     
     
      to
      do
      in
      these
      early
      days
      is
      to
      have
      some
     
     
      effective
      communication
      about
      haw
     
     
      many
      relationships
      there
      are,
      the
      ways
      in
     
     
      which
      people
      are
      contributing,
      or
      what
     
     
      contribution
      they
      are
      making
      to
      the
     
     
      community
      and
      in
      many
      cases
      they
      do
     
     
      that
      through
      gaining
      and
      sharing
     
     
      knowledge.
      That
      said,
      its
      in
      the
      first
     
     
      instance
      about
      letting
      ourselves
      know
     
     
      about
      how
      much
      is
      going
      on
      already.
      I
     
     
      take
      well
      your
      point
      about
      that
      being
      an
     
     
      important
      challenge
      for
      the
      university
     
     
      and
      for
      the
      university
      to
      step
      forward
      and
     
     
      recognize
      that
      it
      is
      a
      vital
      player
      in
      the
     
     
      broadest
      sense
      in
      this
      community
     
     
      including
      economicall.
      By
      some
     
     
      measures
      the
      university
      represents
      about
     
     
      5%
      of
      the
      economy
      of
      PEI,
      not
      a
     
     
      lightweight
      by
      any
      means.
      Its
      really
     
     
      important
      that
      we
      all
      work
      on
      every
      front
     
     
      that
      we
      can,
      to
      make
      the
      point
      that
      we
     
     
      are
      of
      value
      and
      we
      do
      contribute.
     
    
   
   
    
     
      KB:
      As
      an
      example
      of
      involvement
      in
     
     
      the
      community,
      I
      would
      use
      the
      APEC
     
     
      situation
      at
      UBC
      where
      professors
      were,
     
     
      and
      are,
      doing
      legal
      work
      for
      students
      in
     
    
   
   
    
     
      as
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      cent.
     
    
   
   
    
     
      their
      complaints
      against
      the
      government,
     
     
      I
      wonder
      how
      you
      feel
      about
      the
      role
      of
     
     
      the
      professor
      outside
      of
      the
      university
     
     
      representing,
      not
      only
      UPEI,
      but
      his
      or
     
     
      her
      beliefs
      to
      the
      community
      at
      large.
     
     
      You
      would
      think
      that
      universities
      are
      one
     
     
      of
      the
      few
      places
      left
      were
      you
      can
      speak
     
     
      your
      mind;
      I
      wonder
      how
      you
      feel
      about
     
     
      professors
      being
      involved
      on
      the
      .
     
     
      grassroots
      level,
      in
      any
      field,
      be
      ita
     
     
      protest
      or
      whatever,
      is
      that
      something
     
     
      that
      worries
      you
      in
      terms
      of
      the
      image
      of
     
     
      the
      university,
      or
      is
      it
      something
      your
     
     
      happy
      about,
      that
      they
      would
      be
      involved
     
     
      in
      that?
     
    
   
   
    
     
      WM:
      It.
      doesn’t
      worry
      me
      in
      the
      least
      for
     
     
      people
      to
      be
      involved
      in
      their
      community
     
     
      to
      take
      an
      active
      stance
      to
      challenge
     
     
      existing
      ideas,
      that’s
      very
      much
      a
      part
      of
     
     
      the
      vocation
      of
      the
      university.
      Part
      of
     
     
      advancing
      knowledge
      is
      to
      be,
      in
      a
      sense
     
     
      on
      the
      margins
      or
      to
      look
      at
      ways
      in
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      which
      it
      can
      be
      argued
      that
      things
      can
      or
     
    
   
   
    
     
      should
      change.
      Whatever
      people
      from
     
     
      the
      university
      do
      in
      their
      capacity
      in
      the
     
     
      community
      is
      fair
      game
      according
      to
      my
     
     
      standards,
      according
      to
      those
      principles
     
     
      and
      according
      to
      what
      I
      would
      call
      the
     
     
      classic
      vocation
      of
      the
      university.
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      “Part
      of
      advancing
      knowledge
     
     
      is
      to
      be,
      in
      a
      sense,
      on
      the
     
     
      margins
      or
      to
      look
      at
      ways
      in
     
     
      which
      it
      can
      be
      argued
      that
     
     
      things
      can
      or
      should
      change.”
     
    
   
   
    
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
     
      KB:
      When
      I
      was
      Ist
      here
      I
      use
      to
      sit
      in
     
     
      Brendan
      O’Grady
      office
      for
      hours
      and
     
     
      talk,
      and
      I
      think
      that
      is
      becoming
      less
     
     
      and
      less
      possible,
      to
      sit
      down
      and
      talk
      to
     
     
      a
      professor,
      about
      anything.
      I’m
     
     
      wondering
      how
      you
      feel
     
    

    
     
      about
      the
      roles
      of
      publishing
      versus
     
     
      teaching
      and
      how
      that
      is
      changing
      with