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Dear Sir,—The line of latitude does very much coincide with the theory. Why leave out England? Had the Doctor a reason? But to the fact. Is it not trne that the Teutonic races are mainly Pro testant! The ‘‘ abseure English periedi- cal” happens to be a work from the pen of a famous Frenchman, and he shews most

ably how the great Teuton race will think | and judge for itself, and will not be held

under ecclesiastical bondage as the Latin. Every theory is accompanied by some exception, but this is mainly true.

Christ did not teach all Christians under pain of condemnation to follow their religious leaders. He taught just the opposite, for He bade all men to repent and believe the gospel. The whole New Testament forbids any such thing as the handing over of conscience to a priest. Our Lord and His Apostles appealed to the enlightened judgment of men, and to their intuitive perception of truth when pre- sented. They never demanded of any man the surrender of intellect ; but on the coh- trary, the consecration of all the powers to active service. The doctrines of infalli bility and passive obedience are imprac- ticable as well as inadmissable. If creeds ever hold sway over the human mind, as matter of conscience, it must be because of the divine and eternal truths which they embody, and not because the church teach them. How can a fact have any moral significance if it lacks the quality of freedom, and is a matter of cormplusion ? A church may teach for doctrines the com- mandments of men, and worship can be done by machinery.

Dr. O’Brien says, ‘‘our Saviour de- nounced as heathens and publicans all who weuld not hear the church.” If Dr. O'Brien knows anything of Greek, he will know that ‘‘church” is synonymous with congregation or society, and means just what the Dr. would not have it to mean. A writer says, “there was the loss of that activity of the reason and conscience of the Society which the original form of polity implied.” When? ‘* When Bishops lorded it over God's heritage.” It is only such convictions as are based on the Word of God which have a 1isht to the sacred name

of conseience-in matters of religion. It

is impossible for a heathen to have a chris- tian conscience. The heathen, who had no such word, neither made the claim, nor understood it when advanced by others. With them religion was only a question of law and usage. The heathen priests were content with the opus operatum, and so are thousands of Romans.

‘‘Absence of conscience, brought about by the machinery of Popery.” What con- science is cannot be satisfactorily defined, St. Thomas, notwithstanding; but we can show sufficient for the purpose. The very meaning of the word—a knowledge with oneself—gives the clue. We know what conscience’ is in practical life—it is the moral guardian of the intellect. A man must have knowledge before conscience can be exercised. By conscience I mean that private moral judgment which is exer- cised on knowledge. ‘That moral judgment has been destroyed by the system of popery; the voice of the priest becomes conscience. Conscience is handed over to the keeping of the church or priest. In matters of faith Rome judges and decides for her followers, So far as the masses are concerned, in Roman countries there is, in matters of faith, an entire absence of conscience, Dy. O’Brien confounds con- science with obedience to the Pope. Thousands of Romans give obedience with- out any knowledge whatever, and there can be no true conscience in the matter; they obey because they are in ignorance on matters of religion, aa revealed by God through Jesus Christ. They do as the priest tells them, and that ends jit; they do not even know the meaning of personal moral responsibility. Of course this does not apply to all Romans; but it does apply to the masses in Roman countries. I have seen it with my own eyes, and have heard it with my own gars. Itis this ignorance which is so valuable to the priesthood, Let them educate their children in State schools, as Protes'ant chi'dren are educated, without any intervention of the priest; let

the Bible be an open book; let the priests call on their people to ex- amine for themselves, an‘ what

then? The power of the priest over the conscience would end. Dr. O’Brien dare not himself, in matters of faith, exer- cise his private judgment against Rome. He might squirm and wriggle, as many of the Bishops of Rome did when swallowing the infallibility degma, but in the end he would have to give- in. In 1876, Dr. O’Brien published a book, (I think highly of it), and in the Preface are these words : ** Hence, if there be in these pages, aught that is epposed to the teachings of that Church, we repudiate, condemn, and hold it for not written, and wish our readers to do the same.” Why not let the book go forth if it held the Doctor’s conscientious convictions! Surely Rome has him with a hard grip! Again, in political matters you find Romans changing sides in a body. Can it be true that at a giver moment nearly every Roman becomes conscientiously a Conservative, who has hitherto been a Liberal? There, as in all vital questions, the Church is conscience. The Dr. gives us St. Thomas: ‘‘the natural law is an im- pression of the divine light in us, a par- ticipation of the eternal !: in the rational creature,” this jarcoii 1s made plain by what follows: “the voice of God speaking to man,” and then tie Dr. says: ‘‘We obey the teachines of our religion, because through the jizht of Faith we apprehend them as being the mandates of God.” This is well put by the Dr. but unfortunately, thy tt trop of the skatenbe should be

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“church” or “priest,” and then it would be lished by Heaven; your other child will , kind—publie opinion is : against it. In true. I have known many Romans, some | die also, all this because you have sent ; London, that may be possible, but 1 do not

in obedience, some in disobedience, sceptics

jyeur children to the lay school.’ At this

jthink that wife-beating is specially ap-

who had left Rome, and I found the truth | point a ery of indignation arose from all; pointed for Sundays, even in London. Was P J &

was this: Rome had hidden from them everything except the authority of the Church, and I never came across one Roman Catholic, and descendants of Spaniards too, who had ever seen a Bible. Obedience to the church, or to the priest, which to them means the same thing, was the evidence of religion. The women gave that obedience, bus the men generally not.

[ need not reply to the Dr.’s remarks concerning Bismarck, as | made no mention ,of him in my speech. I will just say I do not believe ina pope Bismarck any more than I do in a pope anybody else.

How innocently the Dr, quotes the 4th Lateran Council! What right had that | imperious pontiff, Innocent LI1., to pub | lish seventy decrees without asking any- jone? New powers to pope and clergy, l new dcctrines, transubstantiation, confes- ‘sion to a priest a divine ordivance. The | Dr. cannot find the 4th Lateran Council jin the Word of God. The doings of that Council were antagonistic to the Gospel of Christ. Let the Dr. give to luis people an open Bible and the declarations of the 4th Lateran Council, and they will soon see the one is a direct contradiction of the other. The Dr. advises I ‘‘ should become ac- quainted with Catholic teaching.” Catho- lic and Roman are not synonymous. Does the Dr. think they are? I am ready to reply on that question if he wishes. The Dr.’s arguments are all ad captandum vul- Ques.

Now for France, but we must dispose of the 1st paragragh. ‘Witness his derivation of the Masonic Urder from the builders of Solomon’s Temple.” Was Dr. O’Brien present at that lecture ? If he were not he can scarcely speak, if he were he has written that which he knew not to be true. That lecture lies befcre me, and no such statement is in it. The Dr. dare not become a Mason without a dispensation, and knows nothing whatever about it. Again, ‘‘ his historical escapade regarding St. Peter’s sojourn or rather non-sojourn at Rome.” The Dr. ought to know he has mis stated that. I denied St. Peter's bishopric. Dr. McDonald could not shake my proofs, nor can Dr. O’Brien. Unless he follow Rome and make history, he cannot make St. Peter twenty-five years Bishop of Rome, and if the Dr. be a train- ed controyversialist he knows that too. The Dr’s. statement about France is calculated to mislead. I say, (1.) the Government is not a misreprisentatien. of the national spirit ; (2.) I did not by any word in my speech ** appear to approve of persecution.” I do not approve of persecution of any kind, notsexcepting that against the Colporteurs, encouraged by the Priests of Rome. Let the Dr. reply to my statements, which he neyer dues once in his long, rambling letter. (1) Did not the Religious Orders obtain diplomas for teaching without ex- amination? (2) Had they not certain exemptions, not granted to others, in busi- ness and legacy duties? (3) Was not the clerical party defeated by an immense majority, and decrees of expulsion upheld ? Come, now! let the Dr. own up like a man with a conscience. The Dr. states that the Religious Orders pursued ‘‘ no object burt- ful to the State.” Let ns see. I will take the Order to which I specially referred— the Jesuit. They were exposed to undying scorn by Pascal; expelled from Venice in 1606; Portugal, 1759; censured for lax morality in France, 1700; Pope Clement XI, condemned them; the theological faculty of the Sorbonne censured them as ** false, rash, scandalous, contrary to the

tian faith and religion ;’ the Parliament of Paris, 1762, commanded them te quit.

Spain expelled them, 1767 ; Olement XIV.

iveices present, and the priest begged the ‘president of the inquiry to protect him, |‘Althoagh | deprecate any manifestation,’ ‘answered the president, ‘I can, neverthe- less, not refrain from telling you thet the indignation of the public is justifiable. Do you not perceive the odiousness of your conduct towards this poor widow, who, having losta child, needs consolation? In- stead of this, you menace her with a second misfortune, instead of consoling her with christian words! It is true that yon cannot understand the grief of a mother who is bereaved of her child. It is true that you cannot realize the sufferings of a father who loves his beloved child ; but allow me to tell you that your conduct to Madarae Tunise is unworthy of a civil- ized man!’ These words, pronounced with feeling and conviction by the presi- dent, produced a profound impression on the auditory. The priest retired amid the hootings of the immense crowd assembled in the court yard of the school, and escaped down @ back street. Generally, the priests declare that they do not remember the facts deposed to by the witnesses. Fre- quently they give a flat denial to them, even when there is confirmation by other witnesses. This system of denial caused one member of the committee of inquiry to observe to a priest that if he was telling the truth, ali the members of his congregation were liars and perjurers,”

Does priestly energy in Italy betoken an appreciation of the national spirit, and does it seek the spiritual good of the people? Or is it against the national aspiration ? Auy one may answer the question.

The Dr. grows quite warm when he wen- tions Spain. All I said was contained in eight lines of print, and I did not ** revel in a wrath of abuse and misrepresentation,” andthe Dr. knows that he is simply at his ad captandum again. ‘‘ Spain is not yetready for the Bible, and does not want it, etc.” ‘The women have their show every Sun- day morning, and the men have their bull fight on the same day.” The ‘‘ profanity,” and all, was ‘precisely original” so the “smartness” need not be ‘ diminished.” [ remember using the word ‘‘ show,” and perhaps on second thought (it was an ex- tempore speech) I would change the word, but it represents just what I mean. The Church of England in her XXXI. Article says the “sacrifice of masses” . a *‘were blasphemous fables and dangerous deveits,” and every Church of England Clergyman professes to believe that. I did not use those words, but in the hurry of speech hit on the word ‘‘show.” I meant this: that it was to most a spectacle or exhibition. I have spoken to a good many Romans who could give no reason for the service. Of one Roman country I know it is practically a show to many— the masses do not understand anything about it. The word expresses my mind, though I would not have used it, had ] foreseen it would be offensive. It cannot be more offensive to Romaas than the term ‘‘apostacy” used by the Dr. with respect to the faith of Protestants, but the Dr. was only making his ad. cap. vulgus again. So the Dr. thinks our Bible is mutilated, truly it is, again and again, by Roman priests when they expend their rage in rending copies of it into pieces. So far as the Bible is concerned, Spain as a nation is in darkness. I could tell (names and places) of stonea hurled at Colporteurs, bullets fattened against bedroom walls, shots through doors and windows, and the

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Word of God, and subversive of the Chris-| voice of God speaking to man’ ? | Slaughter of Saints all down the agea been

Louis XV. confirmed the decree, 1764;}will men call conscience !

priest foremost in this dastardly work. Was that conscience? Was that “the

Has the

‘*the voice of God speaking to man’? What Now comes a statement which requires painful considera-

launched against them the famous bull,'tion: ‘‘ We are quite confident that in Dominus ae Redemptor, 1773 ; not restored bey nanan in Spain, when its mem- until 1814 ; expelied from Russia, 1820. 1; bers can read, there is a Bible in the popu- need not go hotties If they were expelled lar language. It is the same in Italy “~ from every country in Europe, when they | France.” Now, I say distinctly that state. pursued ‘‘ no object hurtful to the State,”;ment is untrue. As g gentleman, I will the Dr. please enlighten us as to the |must not believe the Dr. knew that to be cause of expulsion} I could relateafew;untrue when he penned it, but as stories. The Dr. is afraid I ‘‘ cannot un-jit stands, it is false. I know the Bible derstand a Jife of chastity, poverty,!is not in every household in Rome, nor in obedience, and complete self denial.” Does ' 9m nor in a _— Charlottetown the Dr. mean me to infer that all Roman'—read or not read. ‘here are man priests do? or does he confine this to the ‘Romans who have never seen 9 Bible, ae Orders! So far as ‘‘chastity” is coucerned, | Spain is no exception. Does the fact that +i ae go _ to noe hares wn ose had ee or vo Amon 12 cou ave his eyes opened. aniards!ment! Every country has had great men. have told me curious nutes I ase that Is not Cetewayo a great man ? Cone Spain ‘‘ poverty” is not the distinguishing mark |does not want the Bible, and this is abso- of one Order, for the rarest dishes graced | lute truth, England can more than com- the table and champagne flowed in abund-| pare with Spain. Where are the philoso- ance, and in whatever country I have seen’ phers of Spain of to-day? The scientific Roman priests, they have always been con- life of Spain to-day is in ‘‘ swaddling spicuous, by their appearance fcr good|bands.” If this correspondence continues living. Inthe matter of ‘‘ obedience,” I\1 shall pang 4 meet 7 ~ on that know nothing, | point. y remarks in eight lines were In Belgium men have become Atheisis, every a oon and are = now, notwith- for they think that only is true freedom. | standing the Dr.’s letter. In days gone by But tbat there may cae mistake about|I have sat and listened while Spaniards the Roman priests in Belgium, I add the! heve talked of Spain's ancient glory, and following for the Dr’s consideration. The;I have heard the same men _ bewail priests in Belgium are just now engaged in|her present condition, and again a vigorous war against the new Elementary|and again I have heard them hiss Education Law. 1 quote: “The wit-jtheir curses as they ‘said, ‘the nesses called by the Committee of Inquiry | priests have crushed Spain.” The wars depone to the most shameful proceedings|}which the Dr. laid to conscientious con- on the part of the priests, most of whom | victions tell another story tous; but we have recommended disobedience to parents'cannct enlarge upon that now. The Dr, from the pulpit, and sown trouble and dis- | points to cause and effect. Cause—a king os - ae —. pat eee Te Layee See nts in * e molestation of the pupils and school- | Senate. ect— public credit is rising. mistresses in the very deni in one _ ‘shall = i to the an oe by say- ortant parish, the burgomaster was ob-'ing the Dr. did not make a fair parallel. liged to doh ‘four cama ; while the |It was another ad captandum. Where do procureur du roi, wearing his scarf of office, | England’s fairest and highest born go to also attended tu enforce the non molesta-|the gin den, and with flowers and fashion, tion of the teacher and her pupils. Every- | musi¢ and song, call forthe wife beater where we hear of infamons retaliation jand his wife to make sport for a Sunday made by re ae nie 1 = i wae for that oe be ys parallel. tinue to send their children to the lay’ ived in six Counties during my schools. For instance, a poor widow hav- residence in England, and I knok that ing lost one of her two children, asked the | wife-beating is not done on Sunday after- priest to say a mass (‘une messe d’ange’)/noon, as a pastime. English towns are for the repose of his soul, and was very quiet on Sunday, and gin dens are ear eree ‘I shall not say a mass closed the greater part of the day ; besides,

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the Dr. ignorant of English life, or was it another bold dash of the ru/gus? One feels some surprise the Dr. did not con- /demn the desecration of the Lord’s Day in Spain. Is that desecration another in- stance of conscience, of ‘* the voice of God speaking to man !”

lf the Dr. should carry this on, will he please not ramble so much? After follow- ing him all over the world, and then to find nothing in reply to my speech is anything but amusing. I am quite willing to set my speech, spoken extempore, and his letter, | written deliberately, side by side. I spoke quietly and without malice, as I always do. As a member of the Bible Society's Com- mittee, [ shall speak of our work, and of the bindrances to it, when- ever I am asked, aad shall not ‘* back and fill” to please anybody. Iam a Pro- testant, and a free man, and shall be prepared to defend myself against Dr. O'Brien, or any one else.

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