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Che Exwmrner. A WEEKLY JOURNAL OF POLITICS, LITERATURE AND NEWS, _

EDWARD WHELAN]

Vou. VII.

Chis is true Liberty, when Free-born Men, having to advise the JJublic, man speak free ——EuRrpies.

CHARLOTTETOWN, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, MONDAY, JUNE

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14, 1858.

No. 50.

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Pe atand Ct ss to Royal Agricultural | economically, it would in time be a great benefit to P. E. ner eenetemntenntsitiatinianeettinnsnstimada! Society. (Cries of “ No!” “ No!” by Hon. Mr. Mooney). ‘Island; and if sales were held annually, so that persons | { wonder if the hon. member from the Monaghan Settlement desirous of improving their breeds of stock would have an

ever lost anything. The bon. member for King’s County, opportunity of purchasing, then we should not have such

Tuunrspay, Mar 8, 185 ih cites uate ies a eer ; , : : eh 18,1858. | Mr. Cooper, made some allusions about the Society's being | narrow-minded men, blind to their own and the public interest,

FORENOON SESSION,

There was a call of the House, at which Hon. Mr. control of it. Now, sir, the reverse is the fact.

I zoe and M r. Douse were absent. | Secretary (Mr. McNutt), whois now dead and gone, instead of

a ae presented to the House the Blue | benefitting by it, actually lost money by it. I would still The petit if jj ahite S eIinea , Pine | : . . oe

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Socict : which has hy en st bli. : ‘re } ‘ nal ee Dak x ° . > y: 2 : . s. 3 ) een established there, with a cash} members from Prince County are incessantly asking for Sir, if 1 am allowed, I will move a resolution, and it is, that

capital on hand of £40, was taken up by the House. /money. I think, as [ have often stated before, that the only

Hlon, Mr. MONTGOMERY.—Mr. Speaker, I take the | alternative left this {louse is to grant them 5 cepeenia Salas petition 'o be a correct one, and well worthy the attention /lature. The hon. member (Mr. Clark) male use of a of the House. It sets forth the revival of a society which | scurrilous allusion about the Monaghan settlement. But.

jonly a benefit to the few persons, who had the immediate to deal with, By.the way, at the sale, I saw a man from the The late | back woods, in Mr. Mooney’s district, give £11 or £12 for

leay ~ -waibced = i ° )Say that the petitioners deserve a grant, and money might | stock.

‘a heifer a year old. ‘This shows that people are beginning to appreciate the advantages of having improved breeds of

| Hon. Mr. MOONEY.—I am surprised—(but the hon. ; member was interrupted by cries of * Spoken’’” “ Spoken !”)

\the prayer of the petition be rejected. And while [ make ‘the motion, L would say that { am rot ere who has ever | sought to retard the progress of agriculture. But, sir, I cannot see the utility of chartering a ship and sending a man

was formed i *rincetown “oe a hes a ee . +s . > . din Princetown a number of years ago, but sir, perhaps if I had the hon. member in a cage, to exhibit| to England to purchase an animal at £60, which, when sold

. sich was nen up at the time the Branch of the Royal f on Society was established at St. Eleanor’s, with which it Was amalgamated. There is at pre-ent £40)

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to it; but, when it was considered that large eums had been paid recently for ice boats, he did not know whether the House was justified in granting such an appropriation without en- quiring well into the justness of the claims of the petitioners. He would ask what became of the old boats? He always supported grants to former mail carriers, and he would sup- port the prayer of the present one, because he considered that the muil carriers had a very arduous duty to perform, and ought to be well paid for it.

Hon. COL. SECRETARY said, it was true that large sums hed recently been appropriated for mail boats; but it should be considered that accidents wil! often occur, besides, in the present case, some of the boats provided were con- sidered too small, and were consequently iaid aside. Mr. Owen then built a boat, which, it was thought, would remedy many of the defects in the others; but, upon trial, it was found to be too heavy. It was then proposed to have a zine boat made, that would combine capacity with lightness

him among. the Monaghans at two-pence a head, they might | here, only realizes £27 10s. This is what I call going ahead flock in large numbers to see such a natural curiosity. Hon. | like a certain fish called erab-fish, which goes backwards all members are very fond of making adispiay of their advocacy |the while, Why, sir, instead of the Royal Agricultural

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subserl ed copnaoan it, and the petition now taken up asks| of Agriculture; but, sir, in the present instance, if the vener- for a sum to enable it to a certain extent-to become a useful | able fathers of Prinectown—

stitution. thiok 3 se fi rly wave a or: it. | . aaa i ; i : an io ese the House formerly gave a grant to it,) Mr, CLARK.—The hon. member is mistaken. I did not tore tae establishment of the Royal Agricultural Society, | ridicule the Monaghans or any other class of people. And,

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ono > + ’ affine athin 7 + “7 : ah. th. 50° . ch.ca: ae F j i and wil! not, L hepe, refuse something now. I move it be | as for his exhibiting me, I think the exhibition cf himself| to the country generally; but, sir, after all they can say, it

referred to the Louse in committee of the whole on supply. | would be a more proftable speculation. The hou. member lion. COLONIAL TREASURER.—Mr. Speaker, the | interrupted me. most proper course, I think, to adopt with reference to. the petition would be to refer it to the Royal Agricultural | the track of bis discourse ; but, as yesterday was Paddy’s Society. No doubt they would give ita proper consideration. | day, perhaps there were many persons off the track. who, Hon. T. He. HAVILAND.—It is understood. IE believe, that tl Sosiety at Princetown is not a branch, but an/|his “sea legs,” but they need not blame others if they can’t ind: pes lent society, and, thereiore not under the control of/ go straight. Grants! grants! grants! is the ery from ull the Royal Ag: tcultural Society. Consequently, the propriety | parts‘of the country! And what has been the result? Look of so referring it, would he questionable. But if the House | at the Model Farm; look at the Branch Societies! where valet eee grant, L am of opinion it are they now ? If hon. members are not contented with ae ca ae a ate on | having the petition referred to the fountain-head—the Royal ; society, of which the one alluded to} Agricultural Society—they have no right to expect a grant is a revival, was the oldest institution of the kind in the| from this House. I will never give my voice for any grant in ov = = oo “ doing a great deal of good to | aid of agriculture except to the Royal Agricultural Society. he farmers at viciuity, aud, £ believe, fora number of} Mr. YEO.—I think the petition deserves consideration. years i ceived grants from the Assembly. But when the| Princetown and the Districts adjoining are good for the Branch Seviety for Privee County vas established at St. | pursuit of Agriculture, and if some encouragement is not cop Soe Spe taal Sak ees een ee eh aft al al has pro a fanure. | Cascumpec, since a braach of the Royal Agricultural Society, Now, sir. my opinion is that if a small grant be given to the | what with improved implements, &c., the people farm very

#rineetowu Society it would be well bestowed, and more | different from what they did some years ago; and since the good would result therefrom, than there has from the Branch | shipbuilding has failed, the only resource we have to fall dioyal Agricultural Society. Sugh a course would not entail | back upon is Agriculture, and it ought to be encouraged. iuuch expeuse upon the country generally, and would bea} Mr. LAIRD.—I am opposed to a grant of money to the great beuclit to the farmers of Prince County. As to} Princetown Society or any other Society of the kind, no referring the petition to the Royal Agricultural Society, || matter where established. I might, in some cases, go for do not tnink such a course iz called for, it being entirely | a small grant ; but I think the Princetown Society is quite independent of that body. I wiil, therefore, vote for its |safe if it has £40, which would be enough to purchase seed. goiug ito Supply. #| Societies of this kind should be sell-supporting. I will, : Mr. MACINTO SH.—I am opposed to every grant to} therefore go for noting but enough for to purchase seed, if Branch ~ocieties, AXperience shows that such appropriations | it be required. are not productive of the good results hon. members} Hon. COL. SECRETARY.—I believe the farmers of unticipatc. Besides, in justice to the Royal Agricultural | Princetown and vicinity deserve as much consideration at our Society, we could not muke such a grant as is asked for by | hands as those of other parts; but I am afraid if we give 2 the petitioncrs, Lt has beeu said that the old Society of'| grant to the present petitioners, we will have petitions fron: Princetown was broken up on account of the establishment | all other parts of the Island, praying for a similar appropri- * the Biavou Society at St. Kleanor’s; this might be so,/ation. But why not apply tothe Royal Agricultural Society ? 6 I do now think it amalgamated with the latter.| Any Agricultural Society applying to the Central Body,

However, 11 the peonle of Princetown and Vicinity are so| stating the amount of funds in their possession, will receive

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“tous to have a sovcty of their own, L think theré is not | agricultural implements, &c., in proportion to their capital. ¢ » om on aia — z : . — y . aoe 2 + . . > +897 . mer who would be ugainst giving his proportionate share | Now, sir, if we give grants to all who may petition us, instead

! of the Central Socicty, we shall do away with the cheapness in importing seeds, &c.; because ths larger the importation the greater the chance for obtaining articles at a lower rate ig One portion of the people for the benefit of another. | Now, with relerence to the former Socicty at Prinectown, Besides, the benefits arising from such Societies are not so | when a Brauch of the Royal Agricultural Society “<3 formed, general as is supposed, the concern at last generally falls into | it was removed to St, Hieanor’s, with <heir consent. But it the hauds of a few persons. [am entirely opposed to the jis well known that the Branch fell through, owing partly to prayer of the petition. Yet, if it be so much desired Jet it|ineflicient management, and partly to other causes. The be supported by voluntary subscription, aud I do rot think |seeds were put in an unsafe building, and being exposed to there is any farmer likely to derive benefit from it who | the weather, were partially spoiled. It was stated that they would be uguinst giving five or ten shillings for its support. | were damaged before being sent; but this was not the case. But I do object to taxing one portion of the community for | Qn this account, however, they refused to pay for them, and the benefit of another. |there is now about £200 due the Society. 1t was conse- Hon. Mr. MOUNTGOMERY.—Agriculture should be quently broken up. If the petitioners thought it an advautage encouraged by the state here as in other countries. Ln Nova/to have a Depot in Princetown, instead of St. Kleanor’s, and Sevtia, New Branswick and Canada, large grants are annually |a good guarantee were given to the Royal Agricultural given towards that most importaut branch of industry. But | Society, L do not think the iatter would object to such a course. to say tivt a Society, for the purpose of fostering and |The Central Society do not wish to have the money down for encouraging agriculture, wherever started, and however | every article given, but only a certificate that such stock has marrow the sphere of its influence, is not a benefit to the|been delivered. In conclusion, if we give grants to such country at large, isa great mistake. Is it not a benefit to | Societies, it would hurt the Royal Agricultural Society. che country, that a poor man, unable to obtain sced for his} Hon. Mr. MONT'GOMERY.—I would have it understood iand, can be accommodated and helped, by a combination of} that the Society in Princetown takes in a large portion of vhis richer neighbors who form themselves into a Society for | Queen's as well as Prince County, and therefore is of as much the purpose of belping him? It is argued, though, tbat} importance as a Branch Society; but if, as suggested by the “there have been losses arising out of the establishment of | Hon. Col. Secretary, a Brauch were established in Princetown, such institutions ; but, sir, what of that? Is it not so in all | it would, [ am convinced, do much goud. But, sir, L under- trades? ut, the loss in this case, however contradictory it| stand it has been implied that the Royal Agricultural Society may appear, turps out a positive gain. Look, for instance | would not establish a Branch Society there. at the con. of importing stock for the Royal Agricultural Mr. H. HAVILAND.—I agree with the Hon. Colonial Society compared with what it realizes when sould in this| Secretary that it would be bad policy to fritter away, on all Islaud. Aceording to such an idea the country would soon | small Societies that may start up from time to time, tl

eit. JQVOPER.—Té is all very weil to encourage

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ae be ruined; but look at the immense benefits derived by the | money that ought to be given tothe Central Society, If the community from such importations, and it will be evident to | money, instead of being so wasted, were given to the parent the most skeptical that suck losses are ultimately a benefit. | Society, it would be enabled to import cheaper, because it And, considering that this House ‘has heretofore been so could import -more largely. 1 am surprised at the hon, liberal in its appropriations towards the encouragement of member, Mr. Cooper, aud other hon. members, for the view Agriculture, I think it will not object to the prayer of | they take of the importance, or rather unimportauce, of the petition now beforeit. At least we ought to give so much fostering agriculture. ‘They are behind the age, notwith-

Hon. Mr. MOONEY.—I did not, 1 believe, bring him off| back to the place from whence it came.

ge . 7 . . “? like the man coming off the sea, imagines he must still use |

‘lable to purchase such stock than his neighbour, still they will |

Society being suc a blessing to the country, as hon. members would have us believe, it is an institution that has been bor- | dering on a curse to thecountry. We may have long speeches | }and harangues going to show the great benefits of this Society

only benefits the people around Charlottetown, and thus, like Sinbad the Sailor, wlten he came back to Bagdad, it comes

Hons GOL SECRETARY.—A man might travel through England or North America, and he would-not find a better | show of stock than was exhibited yesterday at the Model | Farm; and [, for one, am sorry that this institution has been ‘given up. I was gratiiied to see so many good farmers attending the sale as purchasers, which shows that they are fully alive to the importance of improvement of stock. Why, sir, notwithstanding the assertion, that we will lose by importing stock at a heavy cost and sell them cheap, if hon. members knew at what a rate breeding stock is let out in iingland, they would change their minds. A good bull for the season brings £100 sterling, and rams, &c., in preportion. Sit, ine mére iact of the great improvemeut in the breed of stock in this Island shows that, if we lost all that it cost, we would still be gainers by the transaction.

[At this stage, Hon. Mr. Palmer came into the House, and took his seat.. This proceeding being opposed to the standing rule, he being absent at the Call of the House, the ion. member was informed by the Speaker that he should jhave to vacate his seat, which he did.]

Mr. COOPER.—TI do not deny but that, in a new country, the importation of stock is necessary ; but when we come to consider that, so far as regards good stock, this Island is not so badly off as would be supposed, and therefore the paying of such high prices for stock imported may be objectionable to many. But the reason why Societies, got up for the ad- vangement of agriculture, are not supported by subscription | is their getting into the hands of persons the farmers have no confidence in, and therefore it is littie wonder they become disgusted and wiil not subseribe, -

Hon. Mr. LONGWORTH.—TI disagree with the last remark made by the hon. member, Mr. Cooper. The people are not disgusted, so far as I know, with the persons into

are entrusted, The present instanee, where the people of Princetown have subscribed £40, is a direct contradiction of such an asserticn. But it is true that by applying to the Royal Agricultural Society, they could obtain an equal amount of seeds, implements, &c., to the capital already sub- scribed. I am in favour of giving them a sinall grant, however, and will vote for the petition going into supply. Hlov. Mr. MONTGOMERY,—While L am in favor of a grant to the i‘rincetown Society, I give my word that I would do nothing that would be in any way prejudicial to the Royal Agricultural Society; on the contrary, I have} always been, and will continue to be, a warm suppor‘er of that valuable institution. While attending the sale at the Model Farm, I was very much p'eased with the superior quality of the stock thereon, and with the number of cager purchasers there from all parts of the couutry; and I main- tain, sir, that if it at present appear a great loss to the couutry, such loss will not be felt, but will ultimately be a real benefit to the country. And wheu the [louse gave the grants towards the establishment of that farm, I voted for them with the full conviction that it would not realize as much as it cost, but also with the assurance that it would | ‘nevertheless be a great good to the Island, because it would | be the means of fostering a superior breed of cattle in the | country. It is objected, | believe, that the advantage is not | so wide-spread, because all farmers are not rich enough to purchase the imported stock ; but, sir, if one farmer is better

participate in his advantages, and improve their own stuck. 'it isa great pity that this House was not in a position to continue the Model Farm.

Mr. MacINTOSH.—It has been insinuated that I am opposed to the advancement of agriculture ; but it isa mis- take. I would go as far as any hon, member to support it ; ‘but, sir, these small socities are inimical to its advancement. | Besides, experience will show us that they cannot exist— ‘that after a short time they fallithrough. It must not, there- | fore, be supposed that I am against a grant for a society in| Princetown or any other town ; but because I think they will | |do harm to the Central Society.

The question was then put on Mr. Mooney’s amendment, when the petition was rejected on the following vote :— Ayes—Hons, Col. Secretary, Col. Treasurer, Mooney,

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| Wightman, Messrs. Pope, H. Haviland, McDonald, Diug-

and strength. The boat when completed crossed once, and

‘then the weather was favorable, but was found not to be

suitable at all times for the purpose, and they laid her up. They then set to work and built one, which, according to their experience, was best calculated for the purpose—of 15 feet keel, and 5 feet across the beam. This latter one was found more suitable. But the subject of providing the best possible boat, combining all the qualities requisite for crossing the Straits in winter, was taken up by other individuals, and models for new boats were submitted by Mr. Russell an@ Mr. Coker, agents for mercantile establishments in England, The Government agreed to try the experiment, and Mr. Davies was instructed to visit the place of’ crossing, and re- port; but he did not approve of all the models. However, the three gentlemen-above named agreed upon a plan fur the construction of the boats, and found it very suitable, and three boats were aczordiugly built, at a great expense, by the present Oontractors. Now, the question was, whether the contractors should be paid for the three new boats or for one ? He thought that if the House paid them for one boat, they would be satisfied.

Mr. LAIRD.—If the country went to the expense of building the boats, he would ask why they did not see those which were not used ?

Hou. Mr. WIGHTMAN thought it was rather unreason- able that the contractors should ask for money for building boats, when they engaged by their contract to supply them. [t was well known that the Government from time to time gave large sums of money for the construction of wiuter mail boats, and that very lately too. He did not deny but that they ouglit to encourage such a branch of the public service, attended as it was by such arduous and dangerous contingencies ; but, since so much has been already given, he would uot go for any further grant. The contractors when they put jn their tender did so with their eyes open, aud they should stand by its provisions. But the fact was, that the boats built were not approved of, being too small or de- fective in other respects, excepting those built recently, Lf, then, any money were given, it should be to the parties who built them.

Hon, COL. TREASURER said, that such was the de- sign, and he thought the parties well deserved some appro )riation, for they were faithful and vigilant in the discharge of their duty, which was not the most attractive he should

whose hands the management of the affairs of such Societies judge, for he never crossed the Straits himself. They had

four boats now in good order; but they could not Jast Jong, and something should be done to remunerate them for the exce-sive wear and tear, occasioned by the difficulties they had to anticipate in crossing the Straits. Ln fact, he always considered the sum they received for their services too small.

Mr. COOPER thought there must be somethingydeficient either in the contractors or the terms of the contracts; for there was hardly a session but they were petitioning the House for something additional. It was true they made the bargain, end it was nothivg but right that they should abide by its specifications ; but if the amount they received was not enough, the contract oughtto be subject to certain contin- gencies, and then there would be no need of incessently petitioning the House for remuneration fur ext.a services or extra work.

Mr. POPE said it was true that the carriers were sup- posed by their contract to find their own boats. This they had dene ; and more than that, for they had now several more than were required for the parpose of carrying the mails, They have, so far, well and faithfully done their work, and I dv con- tend, neither the present nor any former carriers were properly remunerated for that service. i have many times crossed in the ice boat, and wel] know the very great hardships and sufter- ing often endured by the carriers; and when we consider the amount of life and property entrusted to these carriers, the safety of which so much -depends upon the efficiency of the men and boats, | don’t think this House should object to grant a small sum, by way of compensating them for the very efficient boats now provided for that service.

Hon. Mr. MOONKY would be loath to -oppose any grant towards the conveyance of the tails between this and the neighboring Colonies ; but the thing was, were the Governmeut to furoish the ice boats or were they not? If they were, shy not do so, without further talk ? if they were not, and it was the duty of the mail carers to find the boats, why lei them furnieh such boats and not come there bothering the House with their petinons. The term of their contract would soon eap re, and they could compete for it again if Yhey liked, but leave it sub-

ject to certain contingencies, as his hun. friend Mr. Cooper

said,

lion. Mr. LONGWORTH thought that in future it would be best to make an arrangement with the parties contracting a8 10 how they should be remunerated for building extra boats, and it would seitle the thing forever ; but, under the present cir- cuinstances, he thougot the carriers were not wel) enough paid

| for the services they perform. ‘Lheir petition ought to be enter- p g

tained, and he would vote for having it go to supply. Mr, Yt-O said he did not consider it a fair way to do business,

in propoytior to the money on hand, as in the instance of the Royal Agriyultural Society—to which so much is given by the House for every pound subscribed.

Hon. Mr. WLGHP?MAN.—F rom statements in the report of the Royal Agriculteral Society, it would appear that in the Branch Society at St. Eleanor’s there is a great deficiency. Again, we have a statement setting forth the deficiency of the branch in Georgetown~of £69. In fact these branches have all worked so badly that it has discouraged me from giving any more towards similar institutions, and in the hope of seeing any good results from such societies hereafter to be established. There was an Agricultural Society got up in Three Rivers, by private contribution, but it did not flourish ; it soon fell through. Aud from what we see of the results of all atiempts at establishing Agricultural Socicties, independent of the central one, we should not be very san- guine as the results of anything of the kind. I am opposed to the petition.

Mr. CLARK.—There is one eireamstance in favor of a graut to the Princetown Society, and that is, it is the only

Why, sir, agriculture is particularly fostered by all species of | governments, from the despotie power of Russia to the Re-| publican States of America. In France aud other European | nations, they have ministers of agriculture, and so have they | in the United States, the President of which latter country, | in his message, recognised the necessity of fostering this most |

Colouies, and in fact, in all farming countries, the necessity

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standing the experience they shou:d have had in these matters. | well, Munro, Perry, M‘Gill, Laird, Cooper and M‘Intosh-i4.

‘important branch of human industry. Besides, in all the Government to find or provide boats for the purpose of con-

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: + ‘to make a bargain, and then want more than was bargained for as nm oe opay N cr r , ‘ Nay s— Hons. I. H. Haviland, Longworth, Montgomery, | If the parties entered into a contract, wih a clear conception of Messrs. Clark, Muirhead and Munro—6. : |what they were doing, they should abide by such agreemens. The petition of Lewis Muttart and others, contractors for |f (hey had met with an sceident, and Jost one or two boats, conveying the winter mails between this Island and Cape | he would sympathise with them ; but it was no such thing—they Tormentine, was then taken up. builhew boa:s, winch it was doubtful if they were required, Mr. MUIRHEAD said, that although it was usual for the | and then wanted the Government to pay for them. Ile would ) not support such a petition. ’ Mr. MUIRHEAD said they were not obliged to have somany

oe wi, > tle aross a Strai i hn mber- | + veying the winter mails across the Straits of Northu boats; bul it was better to bave a few spare ones, in case of

of eucouraging agricultural pursuits is fully recognized, land ; yet, in the present case, as the boats so provided did ye igeny,

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not turn out well, the contractors, he thought, were justified |

Mr. CLARK said he was opposed to giving the contract for the conveyance of the winter mails across the straits up to

members who opposed its continuance. I have spoken my opinion upon this subject before; but, now that it is among the things that haye been, I will say that the Legislature will ‘yet live to regret the action they have taken in breaking it up. It has been hinted that the stock weut very low, and ‘that the country would lose a great deal by it; but I thik it a mistake, for 1 saw a year old calf bring ten pounds, a boar pig brought , and other things in proportion. ‘Now, sir, this shows that if the farm had been managed

‘in asking compensation for the boats provided by them. He believed that a few years ago the Government granted a sam | competition. A fair remuneration should be fixed upon, and of £60 for the purpose of building boats; but when the then let whatever party that was in power give it to Whom they ' wear and tear was considered — when it was known that some | pleased. but as the House had her. totore let it lo tender, and

aie ali la Pe at the contractors were not sufficient! ae . ae bie-tiun could be} 25 # had been proved that t y of them proved defective, he thought no objection ¢ remunerated, he thought something might, with propriety, be.

made to giving them a small appropriation, aud moved that seit lead ;

the petition be referred to supply. | Mr. LAIRD did not think the method of giving the contract | Hon. Mr. MONTGOMERY did not know whether the to competition an unfair one. He thought it paid the contractore grant was called for or not, althouga he did not much object | well, and he did not see why they should be found in boats any

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