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THE CHARLOTTETOWN GUARDIAN

Accounting Car Rates

Discussed At Ottawa

The following is koni the of- lficial report of the proceedings be- fore the sessions] committee of the House of Commons on railways and shiluinr. Ainril so:

Mr. w. Chester s. Mame

_i (Queens): “You would have to lkeep s separate iii-eight account lior your water travel and ferries. for instance the one from Borden to Tormentl-ne?"

Mr. Cooper: (Vice President and icomplroller, Canadian National ‘lhélivaysh "Yes?

i Mr. MoLure: “You would have a

ihreakdown of all of that?"

I Mr. Cooper: "You are speaking

-nf revenues, yes."

| Mr. McLure: “Yss."

' Mr. Cooper: "We do that be-

i-ause if you remember the revenues

land expenses of that particular operation are covered by special appropriation of parliament.

Mr. McLure: “Yes. and my de- ficit is met from the consolidated revenue fund?"

llr. Cooper: "Y6!- HI."

Mr. McLure: "It should not ap- pear 5a a, deficit of the railways."

Mr. Cooper: "It docs not."

Mr. McLure: “While we are on that, where d-id the Canadian Na- ‘itional Railways gst the authority

for the rates they charge on the iferry? To whom do they look rot authority?”

Hon. lVDr. Chev-rier (Minister of Transport): Perhaps I can BHBWO!‘ ‘that. It is given to the Canadian ‘National Railways by virtue of s itrusting order. The ferries are owned by the government oi Carl- sda and their operation is un- trusted to the Canadian National Railways.”

Mr. McLure “Then the mandate

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comes from the overnment of Cs- nado, or the Minister of Trans- port?"

Hon. Mr. Chevrlsr: "Not from the minister, no. The minister is not the owner of the ferry. but the government of Canada; title‘ i-s in the name of l-ils Majesty."

Mr. McLure: "He i8 the trus- tee?”

Hon. Mr. Chcvrier: “N0. the C!‘ nadlan National Railways are tlis trustees of it."

Freight Rates

Mr. McLure: “That comes to i-M question that we have always had trouble over, freight rates. On the ' freight rates on that ferry you‘: board of control or whatever yol call it, your transport board. have. no authority to set rates 10-‘ the cahsciiah National. By Whit system are those rates set?"

l-lnn. Mr. Ohevrler: "Perhaps l can nhswcr that. The Board Trailrylort Commissioners; in last the chairman went clown thew some time use. and when they (‘fili- sldéred the matter they stated that

whether or not they had the au- lliorily t0 set freight rates they did ilroccori to take upo-n themsel- ves ailthority and reduce one such rate.“

Mr. McLure: "Yes."

Hon. Mr. Chevrler: “The ques- llc-n as to whether or not tilt; have the legal authority is one which I would not like to give an opinion on because there ls some doubt.“

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Mr. MicLurc: "Well, oi course sc- cording to the terms of confedera- tlon they had no lesal author-ty-

they cannot set the freight rate d

on any water-borne traffic operat- ing between any of the provinces or between any of the provincu and a British-owned territory. For I instance. they cannot set a freight rate from Charlottetown to Si. Johrfs, Newfoundland. Thlt miiii be set by private concerns. they have no jurisdiction over thcse freight rates and my claim hll always been ‘to you that they h!" no right to set a freight rate on trucks on Canadian National tsr- ries operated by the Canadian Na- tional."

Hon. Mr. Chsvrier: "fir!!!"- rates are governed by the Railway Act. Thcy are set. up under the Railway Act. and the Board of Transport. Commissioners have si- resdy exercised JHP1!¢1i¢"i°"-"

"Mr. McLure: "And that not- withstanding the fact that. tlle.r legal counsel down there. Mr. DJ’- sari, stated when he was goint evidence that they did not MVB jurisdiction.”

Hon. Mr. Chevrier: “Wellkécam ‘o; going to enter into a lil- doll of the legal ssiievt- All I "I loll you is the position which my officers advise me h til! 007"" one; namely as government-camel vessels they have been entrusted for operation lo the Canadian Na- tional Railways and the Board of Transport Commissioners maintain that they have doubt whether they have Jurisdiction in the matter oi I fixing rates but notwitsianalnr that doubt they have fixed them- That ls the position."

Mr. McLure: “When wc hed atl- ' tomoblles first; you see. up to 191i automobiles were prohibited in ‘ur i province by law; but after Luati when automobiles got running a- ‘ cross on the ferry there was a rate » set to take them over and thstl rats was set. by the government at l s’: for g return trip for automo- biles.’ .

Hon Mr. Chsvrier: "You are new

referring to the Wood-Carib.» r. "fi. McLure: "N0. n0: l0 3"?’

aan-roi-mehilnb. After 1918-" l-fon. Mr. Chsvrier: "I am aware

f that." o Cites fieoellerit Mr. Mcbim: "We look objection

lo that rate which the sovernmsflt had m ih 1m shit in lssi we si-

peeled ta the Minister of ‘n-siii-

ital! catllump his fllh with port-ho was than the uismsi- will!

of Rai-lweys and canals-end he had it reduced t0 t3- Thet was ast done by shy loerd of ‘transom-t

while. ihcy had some doubt as to I

Commissioners.‘

Hon. Mr. Ohsvrler: "That is a different thing. You are referring how to the rattle on trucks?‘

Mr. McLul-e: "Yes."

Hon. Mr. Chevrler: "Let us get hack to this question of freight rates." ,

Mr. McLure: "rhst is what I sin leading up to.‘

Hon. Mr. Chevvier: "Those are ivro differint things." Mr. McLure: “No, the same

thing. Now, with respect to the load on the truck. trailer or what- ever it was-today on the Wocrl- Csrlboo ferry there is no account | taken of the load, only of the truck itself. They charge for the truck. In there is a s-ton load on it of |first-clsss freight they do not make any charge for the load. On [whst authority are you people lmlkifll s Chlfle on the other ier- _.ry at Borden?"

Hon. Mr. Chsvrier: "You know why that is, of course; that. is because there is a subsidy of $100 000 paid there by the government.

Mr. MeIiure: "I know, we are paying the Canadian National this lyaslr a subsidy of $880,000. ‘sift

Hon. Mr. Chevrler: “I put it the other way. that the government it plying a subsidy of $880,000 to the Canadian I\"8.ii0|ill Railway-s ior their deficit in the operation of the car ferry. so that one out- weighs the other. In other words. it might be said that we have sub- sidized the Wood-Caribou ferry to s position where its rates for a truck are lower than those on t; s car ferry."

Mr. McLure: “Undoubtedly the same thing must occur on outri ‘ferries. You are subsidizing both

in the some way but in the case of the one you call it g detiijt and in the case of the other you use the term subsidy. While the

terms are different. there is no ldifference in fact; but why shou.d l9"? People be penalized for carry- ing freight over the Borden-Tor- mentlne ferry?" ; Hon. Mr. Chevrler: "Well, now-‘ ‘ Mr. McLure: "Pardon me. I don‘t

want to argue this."

Hon. Mr. Chei-rier: “You arc referring to freight again?" Mr. MoLure: "Well. it is Lila

same thing whether it is freight or—" Hon. Mr. Clievrler: "If you are WYEYYihS to freight I would s1}: git is a maltcr for the Board u€ ‘Transport Commissioners." l Mr. M<-Lu"e: "Well, they had no’. l been taking any part in it up uiilll laboul six months ago. So-mccro lmust have set. tho freight rates {prior lo that. time. If it was the ‘Canadian National Railways then ‘I think they had no right lo rut. {on those exorbitant freight rates?‘ Hon. Mr. Chcvrier: "l prayum; ‘,lhe freight rates they put into ef- lfect were approved of, were filed ‘as tariffs with the Board of Trails- lport Commissioners."

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l Mr. Vaughan tPi-esI-deni. Canari- ‘lan National Railways); "1 lhlhk lthe ferry is different. The feiiy Iii operated as a part of the rail- way. it is really part of the rail iway because it bridges the jour- riey between the island and the mainland. All this leads up, I sup- pose, that you want reduced rates on your trucks and other things on the ferry." Mr. McLure: "They are tremen- ous today." Mr. Vsughsn: “I would say in connection with that that is a matter which is receiving very careful consideration from the rail- way offlcers at the present llnle I111! I think perhaps before long we msy he able to say something

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y Mr. McLure “Well. as a matter of fact, from statements which lVL‘. | Vaughan made hhnself we were a- , frald to look to him for any relief because. when asked the question in one of those committees, was the freight rate too high. he replied that he did not consider them to.» i high and he thought that tho peo- ple of Prince Edward Island ought ‘ to be well-satisfied that they vvcie allowed to bring s, truck over at all because it was in direct coin- petltl-on with the railway." - Mr. Vaughan: "I would say that. I recall having said that, but. a; the same time we are giving this matter very serious consideration." Mr. McLure: “If lrt will make it any easier for you, I will make this statement," that in i926 oil a. similar occasion the then president of the railways, the late Sir Henry Thornton, made a similar state- ment. and lie said that the Canad- ian National Railways were not interested in the terms oi Confed- eration regarding the operation of the ferry, they were only interest- ed in the Canadian National Rall- ivays". However, aftcr that hi- be- came nns of our very best friends and gave us a very fine hotel down there." l-lc-n. Mr. Cherrier: is still your friend." Mr. Mclitire: "I am reminding you of this; what you said was detrimental lo us clown there. and I hope thatvnoiw you have studle-l lihis problem we will have a real irate. Of course, if we got justice ins a Province we should not pay- any freight for coming over on ‘that ferry to any xovcrument. I do not say that the Canadian Na- lionhl Railways should carry it | free, but let. lite consolidated i-eve- lnue fund of Canada pay it as they Ingreeci to pay it."

"The railway

Asks For Authority

i l-lon. Mr. Chevrier: "Now, M-, lMcLure, I don't want to interrupt lyCll. and I do not want to delay proceedings, but I wlsii some day you would show me the authority _for that because I am extremely linterested in knowing undcr what

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to freight rates because We are handing over to them a fine, new boat, s, boat and docks which they do not maintain. They do not cveu charter them. and they do not own them. It ls a wonderful propon- tion if it is turner‘ over to them. | Ws will look forward, Mr. Vaughan

, to proper consideration with rc- l . mgtrlztoyrty you make such a stoic ‘taped w "fight cram”. Mr. McLure: "What statement?" Mr‘ vuunhu“: we are In!“

; Hon. Mr. Ohevrier: "The slate!

nieut that it was understood at .Co-nfedcrai'ron that you were ts ,have free movement on that ca: ‘ ferry." '

Mr. McLure: “Sure.”

Hon. Mr. Chevrlcr: "I wish you would show me that in the statute. I its-e asked to have it si‘.o~'-.'l -. to me on more than one occasion."

Mr. McLure: “I think I put it on record three time; since 194.5.

I-ion. Mr. Chevrler: "Ih discussing

merits?"

Mr. McLure: to the man who started it up."

Hon. Mr. Chevrier: "Who was that?"

Mr. McLui-c: "I refer to the Hon. Mr. Dunning. That was his ides; when inaugurating the ferry ser- vice at Wood-Carl-boo, he stated

the estimates you have made stsis- t

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‘it our consideration now, Mr. Mr- lLure. I was just going to point out that there is no revenue from that ferry which comes to the Cs- nadian National Railways. and the expenses are taken out of our ac- counts. the operating expenses do not come out of our funds at an."

Mr. Hatfield: "What account does it come out of?"

Hon. Mr. Chevrler: “We all ilavs a soft spot in our hearts for the Island."

Mr. Vaughan: “The loss ls naz

is to say the dominion government reimburses us for any lose there msy be on the operation of the ferry."

Mr. McLure: "You would hav: to have the revenue f eight last year. Now. there were £7,000 pass- engers passed over thst ferry."

because it. is in the bond of agree- ment. Those were his words.

Hon. Mr. Chovrlel- "I would liksl to see that bond of agreement» When I was down in Prince Ed-i ward Island I was told exactly:

‘what you say and 1 believe that.‘

is the feeling they have dowui there; but I would like to see the . agreement in the statue or in the 1 imperial order in council. If youi have it I wish you would show III to me." l Mr. McLure: "I think I have ii; and can give it to you because we ' bash our argument on that." j Hon. Mr. Chevrler: “I am not. arguing with you that the rates rs _ not high. I am simply asking iorf the authority." Mr. McLure: "Yes. they are prc-; hibitlve. 1 will gut you the su- thorlty. I thought we had settled; that point. l Mr. Vaughan: "I would sugsesh, if I may, that you iesvs that with ~ us another week or two until we can see whst can be done." ! Mr. McLui-e: "As I ma beforn. you are facing this charge laid e- , gainst you for not faking shy in- terest m whst we are doing 0n ths Island." Mr. Vaughan: "We are ell great- ly interested In the Island. I can

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Mr. McIiui-e: "Yer." Mr. Mlyblnk: "I hop» you will hot u» that as an sriiumeii- W

on their freight rstes down there."

Mr. Mcmire: “lpeakl about this new ferry down thsr . I think ihs vanquish National itsiiesya should be very kind with reference

that freight must be carried tree.-

Mr. Vaughan: "That accrued to the ferry and the expenses srs charged to the ferry, but in lit: final analysis the government pays the loss, whatever it may be."

Mr. McLurs: “You pay out, first. the charges for repairs on the ferry and then charge it back?"

lvir. Hatfield (Victoria-Carleton. N.B.): "Does not the ferry some into your operating revenue?"

Mr. Vaughan: "It comcs in .11] out."

Mr. Jsokman (Rotedale. OniJ: “You are just the agent for tho government.‘

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