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soeak now forthe months of September and up to the early part of Oc\iober—whea

almost every otherce ony in the empire, a*if-governing a+ wel as crown colovies, had made propositions of assistance—the government of Canada did not move, aod I

think that the governmest of Canada was in an excellent positions to move—a beiter position to move than some of the Austra- lian colonies were, because, as my hon. friend has pointed ou! to this House, in some ot the Australinn colonies the mo- tiga to astiat was ooly carried by very email maj r.ties—in one instance, by a majority of only one, whereas in the Dominion of Caaada an expression of sympathy with the Outlanders and port to the Government of Great Britain in wrestling with the South African ques- tion was unsnimosly pasted by both Houses of Parliament. Noth withstand- ing.al! that, one after another of the col- onies proffered their assistance. On July |, Queensland made its offer. Oa the 26th, New Zealaod’s and other offers fol- lowed.

Hoa. Mr. Mills—Tuere were no hostili ties at that time.

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Hon. Mr. Ferguson —Hostiiities had not broken oat in July, at the date of some of these offere, but there was talk then of hostilities breaking out, and the

government of Canads, al! this time, did not move, bui whatever the government did in the way of pulting itself on record was decidedly unfavorable to any action by the government of Canada. My hon. triend shakes his head. I am quite sure he gave no expression himself to weaken the position of Canada in the empire, but leader

his did, ant a very in- flaential “member of the administra- tion, the Minie‘er of Pub-

lic Works, wae guing up anddown the country giving utterance to .be very strong- eat possible otjections and « pporition to any assistance being offered by Canada; and in the paper whie) he publishes, the obj-ctions and oppesitivn were being ia- ceseantly pet forward. I do not suppose itie necessary that 1 should refer very much in detail to the utterances of these gentlemen, but one utterance of the Pre- mier, and thet is

THE FAMOUS INTERVIEW

with the Toronto Globe, most certainly not must te allowed to piss vi bout rome at-

tertion. That interview took place on the afteynoon of October 3rd, and appears # the Globe on the following day.

It was stated in the Globe at the time that the correspondent had waited on the pre- mier the afternoon of October 3, and my hoo. friend rather insisted, wheao the leader of the opposition here was speak- ing, that the premier of the country was not aware et the time he gave that inters view tothe Globe correspondent, of ibe contents, or bad not received the despatch from the British government of the date of October 3, laying down certain rules upoo which volunteers would be accepted from Canada. It is possible thai this dis- patch had not reached the premier at the time he made this statemeot when he was interview by the Toron'o Globe but the Minister of Pablie Works addressed a meetiog in Toronto only three or four dave ago, whea he had made the an- nouncemen: that he had seen this dee- tch cabled in the Eaglish papers before

it nad been received in Canada by the Government officially, acd he mede it a complaint snd a poiat of etiquette be tween the Government of Canada and Mr. Chamberlain that this despatch bad bees ablished ia the British papers and bad en cabled and breugat uader the eye of members of the Government of Canada in that way before they had received st officially from the British govern- ment. It was,therefore,evident, if Mr. Tarte is to believed—acd I suppose we havette believe him, for heigan hon. geatleman—that he at last knew of the contents of this despatch of Mr. Joseph Chamberlain before the tims the premier gave this interview in the Toronio Globe.

Hoa. Mr. Millsa—He could uo.

Hoo. Mr. Ferguson--Mr. Tarte save he did. This iscertain that the premier, if he did not know it in the afternoon of Octeber 3rd, must have known it not many hours later, for it was transmitted after five ~’eleck frem London, and mak- ing # | wance for the differ- ence io time, it was

jn Ovtawa early in the afternoon of October 3rd, ard we are v--v eure the Goversor Genera! wou!) be reached by ab im portant despatch of (hat nature, no matter where he wae, ae fast asa te egram could be sent to bim, aad we all know too much about the care and exae’nees with whieh British statesmen do their work to believe that he kept that despatch back one moment longer than necessary from is prime minister. Therefore, it is very hard to understand that the prime minie‘er did not have this despatch in hia possession when he gave ihie interview to the Toronto Globe. He had as good means 0° knewing what was in the cable fromthe sewspapers as the Minister of Public Works had. IT DOBS NOT SAY MUCH

for the solidarity of tbe Government that one member of the Cabinet would have in- formation of that character which he would keep fora moment from his pre-

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A Anu l mav Sa ail ' t> be nsed | ce of the D | They are Cana ma tO fizht for Carada's defe ca Per most widesprea! apprehension is that th cannot be sent out of Canada. Lo

mind it is clear "hat cases migh when they migh bs «sult toa foreg to fight. To postal‘ate a case: S ip pee

that Spain should deciare war upen Grea Britais. Spain na-, or had,a@ mevy. a: thet navy migh! be vot ready te a Canada es a pari of the Empire. S-m, times the beat method of Cefeoding «o self is to attack, and in that case Cana diae soldiers might certainly be sent to Spain, and it i+ quite certain that they legally might be so dispatehed to the Ibsrlan Peninsvla. Tne case of the South African Republic is not analogous, There ie no menace to Canada, and, although w: may be willing to coutribut» troope, I do not see hew we cao do so. Then, again, how could we do so, without parliament granting us money? We simply could not do anything. Io other words we should naveto summon parliament. The gov- ernment of Canada is restricted in ite powers, It ie responsible to parliament and itcae do very little without the permis- sion of parliament, There is no doubt ae te the attitude of the government on all questions that mean menace to British in- tereste, but io thie present case our limita- tions are very clearly defined. And fo it is that we khave not offered a Osnadian

contingent to the hume autborities. The militia duly traasmitted individual « ffsre to the Imgerial goveroment, and the reply

from the War Office as published in Saturday’s slobe shows their attitude on the question.

‘As to Canada furnishings contingent, the government has not discuseed the question, forthe reasonswhich I have stated—reasons which I think must be earily understood by every one who under stands the constitutional law on the ques~ tion. The statement in the Military Gazettet, publisbed this morning, is pure invention. Far from possessing any foundation, in fact itis wholly imagina- tiue.”

Chen Mr. Tarte, at St. Vineent de Pau'!, puts bimself on recerd as fol- lows :—

But ic the erder in council, whichI held in my hand, and which will be pub- lished one of these days, it is waid that what we have just done shall not be a recedent.

“What I objected to —and I cay it again, and [ cannot say it ofien enough—is the creatiou of a precedent which wenld have permitted the Secretary of State for tor the Colonies to-morros, the day after to-morrow, in @ year, two vears, to send us a message saying‘ I should like some troocs.’

Bat I donot wish that the operation be repeated on the next occasion.”

Here was the prem.er declaring on Octeber 3, that the war was not one in which Canada could be said to be ina- terested—that it might be interestad if were at war with Spain, which had fe navy, but as the South African republic had no navy there appeared to be no cause for our en- agiegia this war. That was the view taken at that moment, The government also take another view. They eay,*’ We are not quite sure what publie opinios would warrant at that time; we waited until we were sure that public opinion would warrant euch a strong atep aa that involved.” That was the premier’s de- fence in another place waen speaking not long since. He said, “‘ we waited antil we could discover what public opioien was, and we would not be justified in acting io advance of what was clearly the publie opinion of Canada.’’ Ali hon, gentlemen in the goverament

TAKE THIS GROUND,

but if the premier had waited and had not put himself on record and some of his colleagues had not put themselves ou record in & very eoppesite direction, trying to make public opiaioa is that direction, there might be something in their connection that the government were waiting for the development of pub- lic opinion inthe very possible direction, they are not in @ position to set up the de- -fence. The action of the Premier of Can- ada reminds me a little of a western orator of whom I have read, who, seeking a public position, undertook to place his views very fully before the parties who had vetesin the election forthcoming. After discanting very fully on all the great public questions of thetime he ssid,

‘these are my sentiments. I hold them very sfrongly. They are very dear to me, but if you do

not approve of them, I am ready to @iang? them atany time and take up any ether set of opinions that yeu prefer.’ Now, that was the position ef the premier and some of his colleagues with regard to sending troops to South Afriea.

Another minister of the government was still more open mouthed at that mo- ment in exhibiting his hostility and object- ion te assisting the mother country at that jancture. [refer te the Commissioner of Pablic Works. I am not going to refer just now to any of the speeches or writings of the hon. gentleman, except the one read. Hon. gentlemen are familiar with them. After the action was taken —and taken as far as some gentlemen were concerned with avery bad grace—the Minister of

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in his hand, which at that time as a privy cowncillor he bad no right to take out of the records of the Privy Council office,and shaking it before the meeting he said: “Ttie true we have agreed to send acontin= gent; we have sent that contingent and we have carefully guarded ourselves #0 that it eball not be taken as a precedent. [i shall not involve this country in any future struggle ofthis kind. It ie finally and carefully guarded in the docament iteelf that it is not to be regard-d as a prede

dent.” Tbe Minister of Public Works evidently thougut that he was playing a trump card abvut this precedent business, but I do not jhink—even at that time— and certainly not at this momeat—thet very much importance was a tached to his declarations with regard to tbe precedent matter. And if @ full aad complete answer to the Minister of Public Works was re. required, we have it from the Minister of Justice across the floor of the House in the address which he has delivered today. He epoke of the way the British constitu - tion had growo, sndhe said it would be madmess for any persen to profess to form a constitution forthe Britiwh Empire on paper and lay it down by rule; that the relation of the colonies to the empire must grow out of cases just like this ene with which we have been dealieg. That was the view of the Mini-ter of Justice and IT agree with him, batif the view pro- pounded by the Minister of Public Worke is a@ correct One, this is the most import.

aut iocident in the history of this empire, one of the most important incidemts in the history, I migbt Bay, of the worl], the colonies stepping to the front, aud offering assist- anee and taking part in the wars of the empire is to have no significance. 1 en- tirely and completely agree with the view presented by the hon. Minister of Justice to this House. [cia

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in the affairs of this empire of ours. Some years ago | was appealed toe by some gentlemen in Montreal to take an interest in orgamizing a branch of tne Imperis! Federation league in my own province. Although io fall sym- pathy always with tLe closer bringing te- gether of the colonies with the empire, for ressons which [ then stated, declined to take the initiative in prompting such an organization. Owe of the reasons was that I was at that time too actively en- gaged in politicsio be the medium of bringing the best men om both sides to- getner for united actionon a question of that kind, which ought to be the result of combined actioa o/ men of both political

parties. [ gave another reason, and I remember my words very well, I had thought them over very

carefully—and that was that it would be difficult to make great progress with the question of Imperial Federation in a time of peace. ButI said in my letter to Mr. McGoun at that time that the first gua that was fired ina great war by Britain would bring the colonies together like the leaves of aclosed book. The views I then expressed have been ampiy verified by what has happened ie the present war. There has been a great deal of discussion which I thiak would have been infinitely better left out, with regard to the attitude of races and so forth towards the empire ducing this war. I lay the blame for all this discussion at the door of the Minister ef Public Warks, and te some extent to the Premier of Canada.

Sir McKenzie Bowell—Bear! hear!

Hon. Mr. Ferguson—I say they are entirely to blame forall this unseemly discussion. I believe that when a great question arises sffecting the welfare and } presence afthie empire of ours, under which we all enjoy

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