told.
JANUARY 5. 1952
Continuation I ,OfFalconwood . I Fire Inquiry
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l Q-Was there lots of water? . ji-Yes, on our hose there was.
' ‘Q-was there good pressure? “A-Yes, sir.
Q-Jiixplain how you know there was good Dressure.
A-It took the "kink out o! the hose very quick.
Q-It straightened the hose right out?
A-Prctty well.
Q-And made it hard and there seemed to be good force from the nozzle?
A-Yes, sir.
Q—Did you have a patient in your ward by the name of Roach?
A-Yes, sir.
Q-Where did ho sleep? 'h the dormitory?
A~In the dormitory.
Q-Did he have access to the pantry? . '
A-Durlng the daytime he did.
Q-J-le was one of the patients that would eat down stairs?
A»Ycs.
Q-Would the pantry door open in the daytime?
A—Part time, yes. .
patient could
be
Q-Any so in there?
A-Ycs.
Q-Jrllere was no reason why
‘p: they should not, I suppose. Mur-
phy, are you sure that the door leading into the elevator shaft was nailed up, or do you Just sur- mise it?
.i\-Wcll, I imagine I tlivre.
Q~Could it be opened? Did you E\'l'l' try to open it?
AMI never tried to open it, or I never saw it opened.
saw nails
JOHN MURPHY (Continued)
Q.—(Ml‘. Stewart) Did any of the inmates keep ally clothing or any- thing of that kind in those places?
A.""N0, sir, only what was on thr-"r back.
Q.—iMr. Becri) During the wint- c_r iime was there any patients to roan". around the grounds?
.‘\.—-Cll.'ll'li0 Roach would ialzril out. _
Q.-—Hc would be taken out?
A.--\'cs.
Q-Wns he allowcd to vilander ii‘"-illld?
yk-Wllftn he got out he would go wlirrevcr he wanted to,
Q.—No person wen: with llim?
A.—No.
Q.-He always calne back?
A.—I-Io always came back.
Q.-Did he ever bring back a parcel or any article?
A.—I-Io would have little things little bottles and one little thing and another of no much account.
Q.—Stuff he would pick up?
l iA-Stuff he would pick up. ‘ Q.-I)id any of the patients have‘ lockers or anything of that nature?
A.—N0.
Q.—Any place they could put stuff of their own?
A.-No.
Q.—Roach would be considered an exceptionally good patient?
A.—I think he was a pretty good patient—a good fellow.
Q.-He always went out and al- ways came back?
A.—Ycs, and did
be
what he was
Q-(Mr. Stewart) sometimes, wasn't he? A.—A bit noisy sometimes. Q-(Mr. Beer) Was he allowed to wander through the other wards? A.~I cannot say, Q-Have you evcr known him to be in another viard? A.--I never saw him.
Q.--Did you ever have a patient .
from any other ward except Ward I in your Ward? A.—No. Q.—Y0ll never Aid? A.—N0. Ql-It was not usual for pat- ients to visit back and forth? A.~No.
> ‘. Jolm MAHAR, Sworn.
Q.,—(Mr. Stewart) You were in was 1'1
A-Yes, sir.
Q-Been there how long?
A.—I will be there four years the 14th of February.
Q—.Whom did you succeed?
A.—I worked in the fire hall as
frnill your ward that were allowcdi
ipatient of your; 1h,“ went to we I thought. it would be in Ward 2, I
A bit nolsyt‘
‘ward 2 I always had taken care oflderstand has been used as a dumbgeneral rule of the institution chat for l i
» - ~ . .. Alas: bsana\uva Lu
av yrs‘ uvtnaslzaaxxi
Au-Ycs. [female Ward 1, in order to be safe Q'_wh° ‘was ma? “wk? for the time being, 1 immediately “FT”? "W" i" "liaise The man went back to the Ward and with who h“ chaise 0i the Wflrd really the help oi’ some others we had dim it but owing to Mr. Livlng- taken all the patients over to 5W1 not having education 1 made female win-cl 1, that is all that m" the b°°k- ,were on the floor. Q-~Where are these books kept? l Q.—'I'hat would be on we east » A-—'I‘lley are kept in the room wing of the building? in which we slept and then re- A.-Yes, ltllmed to the office the next morn-. Q.—We then took p11 the patients
2? . A__1 w” 1h war-d g about 11T°gmwere the b0 k8 iout of’ the cells. We immediately months. "' 5° ° - Qwm, whom, them destroyed by the fire? ifemale Ward. A.-Kenneth McLean. ti”; gum say they we" “udesfl Q-—$0 then your Ward was Q-And he still in Ward}? icifgfgé was dillgzmilzd hid i“ mlrlhage? Y A.-—Yes sir. ' - I -— 95- _ - Q.—0\'er what eriod {ii (1rd, g. Igeforeu. you went into Ward 1? in)“: books exteng? a me Q.—(Mr. Beer) Did you escort '_ e5‘ a ' ' the prisoners from the female Ward
y A.—I had only been making out those reports in this book for a_ shorg time. I don't rcmcmbenthe]
\Q.—Who did you say went into Ward 1 when you went there? A.-Jarlles Livingstone and John
h, the jail? A.—-No. Q.—You stayed in the institution?
, date Mum“? “"4 "h" Mlllphy “"5 Q,_w‘ou,d IfSE-Tggm A.—Yes. I helped take one of irall-"mmd i‘? W“? 2- — year, these patients out as m as the Q-‘Did W“ “av” ‘my ' inmates A__Y,,s_ . imaln door, that is I placed him in
the car at the main door. I was helping carry out, some u! the ‘female patients -s'nd"rI informed JOhn Livingston if they needed me
from Ward 1 who were in the nt-‘ up? ' A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Wh0 were they? , A.—I-Ia had one—Lemuel Comp-i ton. 'Q.--Did you have charge of him altogether, I mean when he left the ward? A.—No, sir.
‘ Q-Wllat record do you keep ‘there? D0 you keep a record of the conduct of the patients?“ I A.-Yes, mostly the conduct of, the patients, as well as reporting any one of tllc pfltlClliS that was sick of those that had been work- ing on the farm or elsewhere em- lploycd. Z i Q-Are there any patients from
to cars that were going to the
| Q.—In other words your patients were kopt in the female section of the building until it was decided
Q~"‘wh° t°°k ch“??? i’! him? it was necessary to move the A‘_He was put up m the awe War: Lflol W016’ there at the timeifomale patients? by one o! ‘the men {mm ward 2. oi’ c ie COllilllCd in the basc- A__Yes.
ment? ‘in A.—Yes, we had four patients in the cells in ille basement. v’
Q.—’I'hat eastern wing was then
Q.—You never took him up? 1 cleared out?
An-No. sir. i
Q.—Who took him up that night. _ do yo“ know? lmféQfi-Iweir; these cells always A. Yes. _ \A.—I do not know. sir. it would be“ AhéNo‘ i E JAMES IKWNGS-l-okw‘ (sworn)
one of the men from Ward 2. Q.—-Jilst explain how these pat- ients, your man and Ward 2 men would be taken up there, I think perhaps you could give us this in-
_ Q.--Wllcn were they put there? I Q (Mr Stewart) Haw long A.~Tllcy had been there sincej '~ ' » , Dr. ltfcLailgillail, {he Medical Sup- have yo“ been an “mendnnt at’ Fal-
eriilteildcnt. has taken charge, 1I°°““'°°‘" would say ilie firs‘. two were built; ‘aw-I have been the“: four years
formation? about 'l. ~e'1r ago I "lllll t i th in March’ A.—I-IQ came ulp from the pat- ‘ H ‘ 5 ‘ ‘= ‘ “ ° 3v” 9| Q___In March coming? i nt dining-room. collect dam’ " Q__Yes_ Q__In other words 1mm‘, (“Mew Q.-How many cells were there? l Qramve you been an attendant
A.—F ' ' ll. . an" Supper? Qrvrizii‘, (fin: If the wments m ievcr since you came there?
A.—Yes, sir. '
these cclls f" _' l‘ W d? ' i A'—Ye5' thQ-‘Amu twould be there whcnuv\A——Y0= ‘ii’; "Rwfrom our‘ Q_whm' ward did you go on ey went o supper? ‘ "' ‘ ‘" ffhst? Ward A-"Y°5» 511 i ' . i A.—I had charge of Ward 6 first Q.-'I'ilen went to the Ward 2 at- Q “Appmmjii 7'0“ must have fro;- a whiie ~ wndants? - ‘had the worst Vi/urd, as far as con- ' ' l Q.-How long were you there?
i} t1 A.—Would follow them up. uc A__I guess about six munms on
A.-—I allow it was.
‘ Q.—’I‘ake charge of them? yhe ward Q.~wl i ' ti - t ' th . ' '
I A.—'I‘ake charge of them. do you kgtuysri 1-03 p" m cm l Q.When you said you had charge,
Q-How long had that beyn the A.—Tllcy were ‘alums? too violent d“ W“ mm“ you were the only rule? ‘one there?
to be kept in tlleWard.
A.—'I‘hat has been customary A__ML._ Smple was there first
over since I Went them _ Q.—I-low did their violence ex- and I wok his place Q.-—Were u informed that you hm“ its??? _ ' , yo A.—'I‘llcy were accustomed to Q‘ The“ yo“ moved “here?
would not. be responsible after sup- _ Per for that patent? lllaklilg a \'[‘l'_\’ loud noise, smash- ‘ ‘ noes“...
A__I underls-wod that the men in lug ‘ailri brrilking. They would tear ward 2 had charge of the attlc.‘ _ off the guards from the windows, if
Q___(M,rh Stewtm.) How did you it was ilcssible to got. them off at get your understanding? "n" "
A.—Down to Ward 1.
Q.-You have been there since?
A.—Ycs.
Q.—You had one inmate from
i QT-You say there were cells built Ward 1 in the attic?
A..—It was Qnly an understanding. A U m me awe . . . , , .- v ,yes, sir. It was the rllle that one of the men do“ l" We bawhhlii? — Q_Thft was, in Ward 2 took care of those pat- A~—Y“5- A_C t, -' i Q-Hcw (lid they. get out that- ~ mp9“-
ients that had gone to the attic. _ V, .—The rules as you understood Wight" v‘
them on patients in the attic. A-‘rThfl’ “m "km Wt by ml’-
fscli’, with the help
Q-(Mr. Beer) You were on duty 'i.he night of the fire?
of two other: A.—I never left my Ward, right
A.—Ycs. sir. a ‘men. 0n duty‘ gr-ishiiiilziebnlirllt 222.11)? that 5 Q--Wher.i: llavc i119? been ever ‘St-what about Compton’ did he i“ - . i i ‘since? “' g5: m“? ' Q-"wm W“ “mm”? “Y ‘h? A.—He was up in the attic.
Superintendent? _ fir-They were then taken across A__NOI Sm - lo the fcnlale ward l, from the cells.‘ Q : Qr-Jrhc general rule is that the Shortly aftl-iwnrds they were taken.
attendant of a, ward is responsible "m" iiii-‘ic to the jail. for all the inmates of it? ‘i’ Qwnlei’ “Y9 55m ‘i131’? i
.—Was he rescued from the at-
A-There were men sent up to take them out. Q.—Was he rescued from the a‘.-
A.-—Y€S, sir. I A‘_YCS' Sir‘ tic?
Q.—Di(i _' t il . ‘h ' Q-DBY and “Wm? i mg, 0t iinlzlinut‘ T"? c? you A.—No, I don't think he was. A-“s- Si“ ‘“ g l o“ ° e f m‘ Q.—He had been lost?
i A.~I have not finished my state- ment.
Q-—-Y0ll were making out the dilyi book m, the time? ' A.-Yes. I heard a commotion,
Q-Then this would be an ex- cepflfln t9 the general rule?
A.-Yes, sir.
Q-You were relieved of any re- sponsibiity after supper ofusny‘
A.—Ye5.
Qr-(MY. Stewart.) Who had the responsibility for ' those sent up Where? ,
l A.—As far as I know Ward 2 had charge of the attic. They always looked after the attic.
Q.—They had charge of all those
went ollt on Ward 1 floor. I look- ed toward Ward 2. I saw some ex- i
citcment there. “I heard‘ someone
inttic? A.—I understood that. I “'15-
Q.—That was the only inmate ,
from Ward 1 that was in the attic ‘av (11111; I trmim liven‘: doll: t: lnaiileyiiiic?
that mght, was n? z ill‘ o. \\'(‘ll ll if! orm l1‘, i _ _ AWAY“, Sh,‘ ;turncd to the right and wcnt lntobnQF)? who gave yo“ mo“ instruct
Q__Have you we]. had anyihghg n. pantry ihai, was there and on to do with the amc a; am s- [the rigllt again. I saw an old ele- A‘_Ye8. 5m During my “me 1h vii/tor shaft there. in which I un-|
A-About the attic.
Q-—-As a matter of fact isn't it the
“the attm waiter at one time. I saw fire inieach attendant, is responsible .-You had taken care of the 31o clszniévrf. It qlgl-Yqlliibehllglbtlflét]:‘$16 inmates ‘hi? his ward’! Ilgiyz 0118 a lrs: rea y a sa - ave p cert number of pa en
A-Ycs, sir. ed there. Late!’ I went down after ‘in ward 1 531d you and John Malia: Q'__,Mr_ Beer) In what way? a pail of water. l’ looked through ‘are in champ and one Qwwpe you A'_By looking “ma. the b945, the window. The window was quite are responsible? _
IseelnS that they were dressed and he: the bnihrifcm. I Silly the f!" A-Ii they set out. fgflowlng the patients up in the] ill been ollt illroiisll tie roof. It Q-Are you not responsible for Xlvlls raging beyond ivater. I thought everything that happens in that
‘ Q attic ?
evening. \ Qryo“ woum bf} responsible it best to report fire. I then ward? 1-0,. the cleanings; or the donniiory? ,wcnt down toward the lnairibfflce. 5-1195, ' AFYGS‘ 8m -- _In illc entrance of the hall lead- Q._Thi,g “me is m pxcpptiori, that
Q__(M,._ Stewart) when was the to the nlliin officofi heard the i5 g1 any or your patients are taken m,“ Informant,“ you had o: the ,whlstle blow. I had not lgown who i0 the attic by instructions of those ma; Ehiid blown it Rt the time. ‘I metlin charge o! theinstitution then
A.—I was off duty that night, I Dr. Clark rushing out 0f hi8 0W" 'you are not responsible for them was on Ward 1, that is my owniofflce. I said i0 him “the bulldlngwhilp ghey p," in the attic? is on fire." I refibrted it as being A_Th;g i; right
Ward. _,_ I Q.—Yon were of! duty’ but on ‘a bad fire. I then returned to Ward Q-_Wh° mfldg ghy; rule? ai-I don't know.
your own Ward? Who had charge i. I met Livinern about the cen- M the ward»; ftrn oi’ ward 1. stated to him we Q_._whg i014 you h, w“ the rule? A-No one gold me the rule only’
fireman practically, nearly a month when I first went there. I was then transferred to Ward ll, and from i7ard 2 to Ward 1. l
Q-Who was in Ward l before you?
A.—I think it was Kenneth Mc- Lean and Henry Jenkins.
Q.-Bo they had been moved about then?
As-Yee sir.
WIN?
ia-Jnmes Livingston. I was in best line lip our patients. We im- the room, though, that James Liv- ;mediaicly opened no the dorllliwrv ‘r seen them doing it, myself. lngston and 1 slept in. door the three . dormitory doors, Q-Did anybody ever tell you
r-What intimation did you We lei Whatever "slime We" l" that while the patients of Ward l have o! the "Y9 "N" fh?" ""5 i?" the Whfd 9°"- I _wclle in the attic that you were not
A.—I had been making out the then returned to the office again. felgpgnsiblg '10‘. them? day book, the happenings of tho day I met Dr. McLauchlan, the Miedi- l 5_|qo, ghey dun-t up until six o'clock, that is r was cal simfll"‘°"d°"'- a "We WWI i Q-Who told ;ou um. Ward 2 pt- milklng out the daily report. - ‘from hm 051cc door. He instructed e * ' were responsible for them?
Q--—D0 W" 3WD the“ in ever? fillet the mire Ward i and 2 lll-i- A-John Mahar was on that ward lento were to so sow to "is first ma lie wu down with me n.1-
I would help place the patients ln-|
EVE!‘ |
I ierwards and he had had to look after them when he was on Ward 2. ‘ Q~Wllat about. John Murphy, was he there bojore you? I A-Preity near about the same time.
Q-ill/ll‘. Beer) You say you were in Ward 6 for a while?
A-Ycs.
Q~How many years ago would that be?
|Wiird 6 for 6 months. I have been
"W °i wok these olliienis across w the in the institution “four yearsnexti
March.
| Q~During the period you were in ‘Ward 6 was the attic dormitory used?
A-Yes. } '
Q-The patients wem up there "every night?
A-Just the same as now-—‘.hcy used to co up from the dining room.
Q-When you were in Ward 6 the ‘only time that you would be on I duty {here when there were patients in the attic dormitory would be from 6 to 9?
A--Yes.
Q—Wi15 it noticeable thai; these ilatienis were in the attic dormit- ory when you wlene in Ward 6?
A-Yes.
Q-lh what way was it noticeable
A-‘Ifhere was accommodation,
Q-HW did you know they were there? '
A-I have been up there. I have been through the building.
Q-You were up there at night?
A-I usedto go llp and look at them.
Q-Why did you do that?
A-~Just went up to see if every- thing was all right. I would take a walk up,
Q-You thought that a good conscientious attendant would look in on them once in a willie?
A-Ycs.
Q-Were you that?
A-No. _
Q—Wlls it customary for the men who had been there before you to _do that? " '
A'—I couldn't say.
Q~In other words you did l; on your own initiative?
A-—Ycs.
Q-Were these iaatients ill attic at any time noisy?
A-Not that I know.
Q-When you were in Ward 6 and they were in the attic dormitory could you hear them ivalking and moving about at any time?
A-No, we didn't; hear anything.
Q-I am trying to find out wheth- er you could hear any person walk- lng about. up there?
lA-If they were walking about you could hear them.
Q-And if they were to shout?
A-Sure, you could hear them.
Q-fiillpose you were lll the Ward below that-that, would be Ward 4
A-Yes. _
Q-Do you think that you would be able to hear some person in the attic dormitory shouting if you were in Ward 4?
A-I should think you would.
Q~Righg through twq floors?
A-—Yes, I would think so.
Q-How was the attic dormitory lighted for night purposes?
A—Tljey had the lights on.
Q-Elcctrlc lights?
A-Yes.
Q-I understand that ihc attic dormitory was divided into differ- ent sections?
A-Yes.
Q—Ti’lt?l”GVWflS a main dormiory, iwhat. would be where you would first go into when you came up zho stairs? ‘
A-Yes.
Q-Ahd there was a light in limit?
A-Yes.
Q—Where was that?
A-Hilng in ihe ceiling,
Q-About the middle of the ruin]?
Ar-"YQS-
Q-Was there a piece of drop ccrd or wire hanging down with the‘ light on the eiirl 0f it?
_ A-f-Fs. sure. i Q-Dizi you ever- look a; the veil- ‘lng?
A-Yes.
Q-Were there any wires running across the ceiling?
A-I couldn't‘. see ihenn , Q-If there ivere n-ircs actually ‘Pllhlllns Mross {he ceiling m where ‘ithfi ligllt dropped down you could see them?
i A—'I'hey would be inside.
Q~But there were no wires ex- IDOSed on the ceiling. There were ‘no wires yould see running across the ceiling?
A-No.
Q-Tiley were shove the plaster? A-Yes. ‘
Qdriiere mus; have been a blind attic above that? -
.A—I never wls up there.
there a haichwni- where ‘V911 3118M Bet. up to the attic ceil-
ihsliDid you ever know pf n hatch- Wly there?
A.—I never saw it myself but I
instructed to do
the
i.
running across
' them talking about the hatchway-
| was l; 51110;- the fire? A-Yes. Q—Did you ever know 0! all) lelectricians working out there? A-I don't know. Q-During your time?
A-I don't know the gentlemen.
but I saw them working out there.
there quite often? A-Quite often. i
and something was likely to go wrong with the electric wiring and so forth?
A-Yes.
Q-J-Iave they been working in your ward? i
i l
Ai-Putting an lights in the ward. _
Q-Just screwing on lights? .Wouldn't the engineer do that? i A—They put different switches on, I think, in Ward 1 and mostly went through all the wards. ; Q~(Mr. Stewart) When was that? I A-Here a while ago.
‘Q-Jiow long ago?
A-About a month ago.
Q—-'I‘his summer? i A-Ycs. l Q—Do you know, whether the lights in the attic were kept on 'all the time? i A-I couldn't say that. i Q-Have you been up there in the day time?
A-I have not been in the attic this good while.
1 Q-(Mr. Beer) When you would go ‘ ‘up were the lights on when you’
iwent up?
“ A-Yes, that was at, night. i Q-How did they turn off?
I A—There was a switch there.
‘ Q-Where was that?
i A.—Rigllt on the light there.
' Q—-Y0u would reach up and turn i5 oil?
* A-Ycs, one for each light,
Q-Whosc duty ivos it to turn.
cii.‘ the lights wllcil they were sup- posed to go off?
i A—Ti’lg lights were supposed to Vgo off at nine.
Q-Wllo turned off the light in
,Will'(1 1?
i A-I did wllcil I would be on my nights.
[ Q-(Nrr. Stewart) The night Rvatclllllail did not tum off your lights?
A—No, The other nlan. lifallilr, was on with me.
Q~And you would turn ‘them off a; lline?
A-Yes, sure. . Q-You iverc there the night of ille fire?
A-Yes. I was on duty and I was 1
iriliiills Mr. to bed. He al- ways wailicd lrle to put hiin to bod. I was putting him to bed when
I heard them shouting Qui; fire in i
Ward 2. You couldn't snlell smoke or see anything and I put him to
bed and ran down as tight as 1|
could and lifcLean came along and in the elevator the fire was coming down like a barrel of fire. I; was coming that. fast. We helped them get the hose in and it wasn't a bit n" good on the fire. I rafi down ‘in the bath, house and looked out ‘the window and the whole attic was burned right up into Ward 2.
i Q-(Mr. Beer) The fire had been ,
illlcler way for quite o. while? i A-Ycs. _
Q~You don't know wllcrc it start mm
A-No. I said i‘, alas time to get patients out and I had 2s bad patients on the ward. '
Q-Tllcy were your patients who were down in the basement? , A-Yes, four bad patients there. i Q-(Mr. Stewart) What do you ‘mean by “bad"? J ,
A~Thcy- were violent patients.
Q-How long have they been in the institution? Those who were kept below?
A-~There was one fellow there since the war and there was ail- iother I don't know llow long he had ibecn there. l-le was there since my ‘time. I-Ie was there twice since my time.
Q——Were they in the institution before these cells were put there?
A-Yes.
Q-Did you llave,them?
A-Afes.
Q-Mnhar took those men out the night of the fire?
A~Hc went down and took illem out with help.
JAMES BROWN, (SWORN)
Q-(Mr. Beer) What is your occu- pation?
A-Electriciafll.
Q-Are you all electrical cont-rant. or?
A-yes.
Q-You knew the institution known as Falconwood Insane Asy- lum?
A-Well, yes.
Q-J-Iave you ever worked there?
A-Yes. different times.
Q-Thls building is divided info three‘ main sections?
A-You could call it four. I guess mounting the Doctor's quilriers.
Q-I suppose they would be out
Q—It is quite B. big institution ,
‘i ulna. which is known as the female nLJilUll, .~\—Yes, sir. [ Q~Y0u have done considerable ‘electrical work in different parts oi iilib‘ building? i A.""'N0, only in One part. l Q~Your work has oeen entirely ;C0llfilled to one par“. I sun ask- lng you it you ever .:.d any work in the three sections of the build-
‘ A-Xcs, I did. But Ltlat would be about twenty-two ylrs ago. or twenty years ago, 1i it comes m ‘that. The first teleph "ies that were put in ihere I helped to put them ‘in. i Q-Telophones? ,‘ A-—~Yes, 1 helped with them. 4 Q-Have you done electric light wiring in the western section a‘. any time?
A—No. never.
Q-You never did?
A—No. 1| Q—You have done it in other sec- iicns of the building? i A-I did in the women's section. i Q-In the western wing? I A-Yes, that was about four yen-rs ‘ago. It was 1n the boiler room. Palmer and Watson and I did it together. i Q—Do you know if any electri-i ical wiring “Uri! has been done in ' ‘hie male section of the building ‘within the liBt three months.
A-Ycs.
Q—You actually know of work‘ being done there? ,
A-Yes. j i Q-Who was the electrician doing , i fihe work? i f A.—FitzGerald and his son.
Q-What FltaGerald would that be?
i
A-Geoffrey FltzGerald.
Q-He had tlle contract?
. A-I ivas with him. I was suppos- ed 1,0 be with him.
Q—You had the ‘contract?
A-It wasn't what you would call ‘rt contract. It was to put the build- I -ing in shape. FiizGcrald was sent out by some of the party.
Q-Yoil mean by the Government, ill order to bring the wiring in that i building up to standard?
' A-Up to Underwriters.
y Q-niiccording to the
Code?
l AéAccording to any code. In ord- '91‘ to make it safe.
Q-—Did you work entirely in the ‘female section and Mr. FitzGerald entirely in the male section.
A—I was running the pipe.
. Q-I know, but you told me you didn't do anyyelcctrical wiring work. i A.—I didn't attach the wires.
Mr, Stewart: He is not trying to suggest, you were responsible. | Q-I rim not suggesting or trying 'to suggcxst that you or anybody else was responsible for the fire.
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Bic male section and the easiernl
gihey were washing tlle ‘around. After a few days I couldn"
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Lost l9 “Sr-lid Bacliache
“ I um 22 years of zlgr, and l weighed 1631i». 1 had pains in the liar-k and head, I didn‘t cure llimut anything. When my frlciui tolii me tn try Krllschen Suits, I would not lit first- I was sick of talking stuil’. But since I tried Kruschcn Salts, six months zlgo, I have lost l0 lbs., and feel u different woman, so I nin very thankful m Mrs. -— who recommended Kruschcn Salts."-i\ils. l’.
The condition Willi-ll caused this
iwoman to put. on weight wins also the
cause of her lizwkllchc and hrmlaclles. The whole tmubie was due to the internal organs failing to expel from the body, regularly and completely, tho waste products of digestion.
The six salts of Krusellen amist the internal organs in [lcrform their functions properly-to throw off each day the wastage and poisons that encumber the system. Then, little by little, that ugly [at goeswslowifv, yer.-. but surely. The backache and head- aches disappear. You feel womlerfillly healthy, youthful and cncrgclic~ more l0 than cvcl" before ill your lifts
Q-How would it ring?
A-—It would ring like a. telephone, almost as loud. _
Q-You could hear it quite a dis- tancc?
A-Yes.
Q-In order ‘o operate that ma- chine do you make one contact with your SWitCh board and the crater pipe, and if there is live electricity flowing through ille (liffercnt IXiYi-‘I of the building it is bound to C0“- nect into the water pipe, and will go back and make a circuit, it rings the bell and the more COlltIlCt, that circuit has the louder that bull will
‘ring?
.’t-»Yes. But I made another first. The power ivns off out there in the daytime‘, I putftlle test on and I put the switch on, I wen: up and tried on the wall to see could I get s. tingle ln,tilc fingers, but may do} floors al‘
get a tingle off the Willi,
Q—Yoil ‘were surmising lilere wa a, certain leakage of water? Yo could feel the electricity in tile ~.~.-:=. of the bilildina? ‘
A-—Yes, but. not all over (he bulk‘ ing.
Q-In the female szctioil?
A-In the bathroom pain.
Q—Did you test the male sectior
A-Yes, I did.
Q-Did you find any groiuld?
A-I think I did.
Q-Did you get your bcll to rill;
A-I got a ding.
Q-What do you mean. ding?
A—A kind of a tingle.
Q-(Mr. Beer) S0 that you ur coilrlnced thcrewvcre no ground the male section of the iring?
A-Ycs.
Q-You were conriilrcd?
A-I was convinced.
ivha», I want to know is, are you familiar with the building?
A~Yes.
Q-You did work, then, in the wcsicm section oi" the building, or ill {he mule ward? That is what I want to know.
A—Ycs.
Q-You ran a metal conduit or pipe to contain urires?
A-Yes.
Q—-\Vll(‘l'0 did you run that frifm aild where to?
A-F:~onl the basement to ‘ulna ilOOl‘.
Q~Tli the ceiling of tile third floor?
.~\—.\'ot quite.
Q-You didn't complete it?
A——\V0 rah it for what we call the night lights, and that was nine feet from the floor.
Q~You were prcparing to wire a new set oi’ nigh-t lights?
A-Yes, taking the old ones out.
Q—In what end 0f the male sec- iiin of the building were you run- niiig that?
A-That would be the east end.
Q-To the men's ward?
A-Jrhat would be the handles), to the Doctor's quarters. Ii, might be about fifteen or sLxteeriWo twenty feet lilside the door. .
Q-Bilt you were not familiar t0 any extent with the existing wiring ill the male ward?
A-Wcll, I can say this. when I went out there I was called out in trouble and l.‘ adjusted it.
Q-In {he central building?
A-Ycs. The only way I could tell was to put the tcs! machine t0 sec f.’ thew was any trouble.
Q-Dzd you have any grounds in the male section?
A~No.
Q-Jlleli me jusi, what effect that rroimd iirthe ‘wire will have on the safety of the building.
l A-Well, if water runs around any oillcr wires the wires will leak elec- triciiy, a circuit occurs and if Y0"? fuse if anyways heavy there is file.
Q-ln other words, another name for ground is short circuit?
i ih-Ye, it is another word for ‘slow short circuit.
l Q-You found quite a number of grounds in the eastern section. that
the
heard someone say there was a’ Q_Wel1, we will 5;“. ihrpe, Jim would be the women's section?
hatch there. Q-How long :-
lgck at the map here. “'0 have the
A-I have n machine. It ll the
l l rcu hear wager-n wing, which ls known as- best Icould getJnd she would rinl-
Q—Now Mr. Brown, Silppfkt’ ' Ihave n. new insulation of the cos ‘mon knob and di~op \'il‘.'l(‘i_\' of ell ‘trical iviriilg. illri: i5 all CXDO-‘Kd V ‘mg flip wirOS are expos-rd tr, ivhc ever migll: collie in Contact wi them aiillougil they are sealed ai insulated and we have an ail" spa between the ceiling and [he ro and the roof leaks to some exic’. possibly continuously, possibly t‘. wiring docs not have time to é out before it becomes wit aim‘ what effect does that have on t‘. insulation?
A-If the wires arc clear and t‘ wager grim; down, the wircr. cle; not touching, tiley won't do a: harm. '
Q-I was speaking or all inslll tion in the ntiic of a billilillg- ' knob rmd drop and two WlYPS 8 apart and they arc on. Would the be any fire?
A-If they were on, knob and drr yes.
Q-.1 think what you ari- cnmir. at is illai cord and rosciic’?
A-No, sir.
Q-YOtl do not believe that ordir ‘gr-y knéb mid drop wiring if lhf were cicatcd to tilt‘ \Y°0<l\\'°l'l< ‘ . the building by screws and the klld (hat i5 fl, porcelain knob will! holds a wire in position is screw! right through into the woodwork r the llulldiny and the wire, a. rel tain percentage of this iourhi would i‘. touch the 5Cl'(‘\\' izisiilai-ic on the wire?
A—No.
Q-You might have a around e h. wet day and not on .1 dry day I the roof had leaked ul a ruin sinn and it became u-ct ilicn you nhgl have n ground?
Ar-YCS.
Q-lf illc roof was (il'_\' you \\'7ill not have a ground?
A—If the wire is put in th 'ground and screwed ii, would no ‘touch the wire.
I Q—-It is not why you 5110"“.
hm asking you why it should? no it your 03120116114“? that ill nvrkwlth places in ‘insinll tho iviring whet you have t) strengthen the lvir screw in the knobs and pll‘. W" wIr-gtllrough ihe knob. it. is ill-iii’ possible the wire might be shorts in ngalnstuhh screw and sci-ewes‘
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