DECEMIIEE 3.- 1216.

l iscussitll on various mtewofiriiedfichlbitlcn enforce- hasssqucstion took P15“? 9t m” "131. annual n.eetinB 0! m9 Tam‘

p“ n-e Federation, held on Tues- fil} the y. M. c. A. The fol- lowing rppoi-t is supplementary to _,1,, details a-ppearina in yesterdays Glfielflfi}. Nicholson: “Are we to ‘have the Attorney General or some imtqrcciliCilb officer-- Inspector Fripp; for example-here today? u ha; been customary for us to have a chance to have conference Kill these re poiisible bodies."

711a Chairman (Rfv. Mr. Web-

1-1. myWUl‘ to your question. ~r is in Summerside nt- 1» Supeme Court. His tlicre is imperative; he "l av frcm that. I “'85 in rljcfl with h. ' last week, and ,y,1,111li.~ Inspector" "10 lafer than W ,_,,,,1_,;_; The Ii "ctor would have been ivzlling to come here to- dav bill lie had matters of enforce- mént to (‘ire for personally at North ll 1:0. But both ttie Pre- mier llllil tiic Inspcctor aisured me tint they ivould be ver-y happy to ..- that would .ci1t to the continuing _ and would give them g:,":r_v consideration in the matter 1t ll'lli‘l " \l1". Ni1'lir1l.=.on: "lt. seems a we couldn't get the iii- v vc have only onc ,, ,1 yrai; Now the Coni- i. not. in action it does a pity tiie Attorney General didn't ilppOlllZ somebody, or make tome arrangement."

The Chairman: "I see your point, that there ought to be some ap- proach to the Government where ii-esponsible body like the Tem- wrance Phderation-since the commission is not now in exist- 1nce—n1ight have at its hand all the necessary information coiicern- trig sales and number of scripts, m. I would like to say, however, that no information that I have isked for from Inspector Fripps 1r the Premier has been with- told."

Mr, Maclieod: “But, Mr. Pr . Inspector Fripps is not under tie Provincial Government. [hat is the qllUflOll. What is the

rel of the R. C. M. P. to tiie Pro iril Government? That is ah we are in the dar ." '

T.:c Chairman: "lt is quite evi- ieii: tha; the R. C. M. Pnare under iuiheniv from the Federal Gov- yct they are working in and era-operation with Government."

Roz‘. Mr. Macbeod: “but they ire not under the Provincial Gov- ernment. as I see it" q

‘L... Chairman: "No, and here is l one in hand. A vessel was dis- covered within Vihe twelve mile Llriiit a few weeks ago. They were able to get away from the patrol boat btccusc of faster engines. They traced the boat to the Mag- ialei: "Island", and brought the boat and crew back to this Is- land. In the meantime, of course, the liquor allcg;dly curried was taken off the boat. The boat has been licld here for three weeks Nailing instructions from Ottawa. The instruction; came through this trek-end to release the boat. They tad nothing definite against them.“

Rcv. Mr. Nicholson: "That would relate t) the question of contra- band. But. while the R. C. M. P. ire organized under the Federal Govcrnm t. the fact does remain that ilizy have entered liito a con- tact with our Provincial Govern- ment to render :evcral services to the Province, and my own feeing is that‘. so far as those services are tonccrncd they are responsible ab- wllllfll‘ to the Provincial Govem- iilcrii."

Rev. re

Mi". lWtcI-eod: “That is what ll like to know: has the _ .11 GC‘1'(“llll"¥l' 1"‘ ' bu. on ovci" the a. c. M. P. 1 dgub". ii they iiavc."

Paid For Services

Rev. Mr. stavert: "Then why do "Icy touch our Prohibition law at "l? But that is not the point. Why ‘hlillldnt the Premier be here to- “Y and give some information re- Wdlllt; what i". being done? He Sets his extra five hundred dol- rs for locking after this. The Builllflllc Court can't keep him there if we want him here. Ho is "Woo absolutely necesary as that. e l5 only a servant of the peo- lll‘. find if we want him once a 7'" his duties at. Bummerslde gltllyld be looked after by deputy. looks to mo like a ca e o! avoid- Ina his iluty." ulfm- C'- F. Hutcheson: "X don't ink that is the rant. attitude. Con“? YWH-ivli. Mr. chairman. I am l" tinced of the ainocriiy of Prem- [_ Campbell. He is in n very dif- ‘ult situation. As e mcmbe of mnolrmtrcommlsrlon I can sym- k blzc 111th li€m. The pressure that. "Baht. to bear upcn him i: m eiidous. and we ought to be °l° ililllrathciic and less critical. mmyyiudsment. Perhaps the con- he n! rommittce was at fault in Imulnatter . for Bflfillflfilfl our "'1; T13. Had it been held at such ,,,..'E"~'_ is to suit their work I am ..ui"e they would have come.

“$65012? personal feeling." M!“ “Dolmen. That is my

n“- m’. Nleholcm: “We know

very well the pressure that is be- ing brought to bear, opposed to ours. But because of his integrity and his sincerity, my feeling is that he ought to be here to unload his difficulties upon us and asco- iate us with him, in order to com- bat that. pressure and to help lflm in the rerious task he has under- taken. I feel this so strongly that I would be inclined to favour tele- phoning hlin, to ask him to be here for an hour. So far as the Sup- | preme Court is concerned there ls . no doubt in the world that he could delegate lii; duties to somebody. At all events, if he can't be here he ought to delegate someone to be lure."

The Chairman: "I agree that the eommitee should have got in touch with the Premier in advance and arranged the meeting accordingly. We are at fault, and.wc take the blame. So for as a representative is concerned I believe we can get rcmebody from the Government today." .

Rev. Mr. MacLcod: "Is that the President of the Council?"

The Chairman: "Mr. LePage I think would come."

Rev. Mr. NlCAliLSQHI "It would be very vital, I think. I don't think I would be present at an ordinary meeting, where there is no oppor- tunity of obtaining information from responsible persons."

The Charcman: "Mr. Nicholon did write me in tlui". connection but it was ‘.00 late. My attitude is that if you are going to get infor- mation. it must not be from an antagonistic standpoint. We murt give co-omration. It. is not a mat- ter of partisanship."

Rev. H. D. Raymond: “May I say

that I don't. think it is quite de- sirable that we ought to ask the Premier tn come here. He has thousand; of duties to attend to as well as us. He ha: granted aud- iences whenever we asked him. Why should he come to talk to a Public meeting and perhaps say something which would get into the prsse and which would make it more difficult to discharge his duty? Whether he is sincere or not I don't think we have to deal with that; but I think it would be ask- ing too much to irk him to come here to talk to us. .1 am not blas- edrin the slightest degree" " Mrs. W. A. Thompson: “I feel as onemember of the committee, that the criticism of the Premier is unfair. He has been very open and above-board, and he has ex- pressed himself not only to the continuing cornmtifiee but in the press which all may read. If there l; any criticism I think it. should come on the committee."

Rev. Mr. MacLeod: “I agree that it would be out of place for the Premier to come here and talk t us." '

Rev. Mr. Stavert: “He is the At.- torney General too."

Sole Administrator

Rev. Mr. Baker: "That is the polrit. We are_riot asking for tho Premier of the Province. It is the Attorney General, who has gath- ered up uhto himself the admin- istration of the law, and there i; no other possible way of getting information."

The Chairman: "That is not cor-

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‘toy. Mr. Baker: "This meeting represents the people" who put the proliibitory law ozi the statute books, and unless we send a select group to gct information that never gets beyond the select group, priv- ately, what do we know? I am quite free to state that I am not so sure of the sincerity of Premier Campbell. I have letters on my fyle to show where he made proni- ise after" promise and has never implemented them."

The Chairman: “I have to state that I have never been refused an audience, and the information we asked for we obtained. If we have any infornialion that Mr. Baker wants to know today, we will be very glad to give it to him, or the new committee will endeavour to get it. But I think we ought to be fair. The Premier was not invited to be here, either as Premier or Attorney General. Inspector Fripps was not. asked to be present; but I have information which, if you want it, I shall be very glad to give."

Rev. Mr. Stavert: "We were ask- ing for the Premier. as Attorney General. who has wiped out the Prohibition Commission and taken it: place; and we feel that we have c right to ask the Attorney Gen- eral personally what is being done. We certainly don't want to reflect on the Premier, but. we have to consider him in his other cap-

ez-ity." The Chairman: "The situation is this. it never occurei-d to one

member of the committee to in- vita those gentlemen here today. You were longer on the committee than I have been, and in fact it was your business to ace that this was d: awn to the attention of the committee."

Report Requovted

Rev. Ml’. Miwbecd: "The 011W thing that we could expect would be c report from the Attorney Gen- eral, who hu now taken the plwe

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Federation Diszusses Evidences Of Violation ()f The Prohibition Act

Lack Of Public Information, Coupled With Wide- spread Evidences Of Law Violation, ‘Complained Qf By Several Members Of Temperance Or- ganization At Annual Meeting, Last Tuesday.

is our right to have that infor- rnattcn."

The Chairman: "It is r1111 ossible to have the Attorney General here this afternoon, or Inspector FTlpps either. If it is your desire to have Mr. LePage here, 1 shall be glad to invite him."

Mr. R. A. Profitt: “Mr. IePage couldn't attend in the capacity of Attorney General. That would be useless."

The Chairman: “Were there men ever asked to come before?"

Rev. Mr. MacLeod: "No. but the chairman of the Prohibition Coni- mlsion has been asked, and. he ihas appeared and given a report of his stewardship."

The Chairman: “He there last year.”

Rev. Ml‘. Nicholson: “It is a regular custom on both sides, I re- member one ‘ time Mr. couldn't come, and he rent a rep- resentative."

The Chairman: "There were no representatives of the Government o: Police force here last year."

was not

The meeting took recess. resum- ing conference at 2.30 p. m.

Unlhnlted Scripts

After prayer by Rev. lVLr. Nichol- son, the Chairman reviewed the morning activities and questions.

Rev. Mr. Nicholson: several question; that. dlrciiss, ‘There is reported to be an increase of $14,000 in government liquor sales in the first four- months of this ycar. Then there is the question of these doctor's scripts. In the past. it seems to me --while we never thought that any Government did the decent thing in the matter of law enforcement- yet until this year fifty script: per month were supposed to be the limit. In fact we never thought of any more than fifty, and if anything of the kind happened we felt that there was something loose and wrong somewhere. Now we are told there is no limit-that if a doctor uses all he has and writes in for more, he gets them. We have a case of'one doctor who doe=n't do any regular practice, who has

"There a re

That would seem a. fair-ly easy thing to answer. You will remember that at one of the conference where I happened to be present the Attor- ney General authorized Inspector Fripps to go aLead and prosecute one or two of the most flagrant practitioners, assuring us that even ii.’ conviction was not obtained they would be cut strictly off. Am I not. right?"

The Chairman: "Yes; these are problems that have been faced by the committee and have been dealt with, with the Premier, and ingrome cases with the prosecutors. With regard to the increase of sales for the first four months of this year as compared with the first four months of last year. some of the members of the committee got this information fiom the Attorney Generals department. We asked for it and. it wias not withheld. Now it is true that. a: compared with last year and the year before the sales for the first four months of this yea": were considerably increased. We asked why that should be; and the reason given was that illicit liquor was so scarce that those who dedred it had to take this medium to procure the liquor they desired. That brought into play the abusesof the script system on the part of certain doctors. And again let me say that many of our best practitioners are very fine citi- zens and are not abusing this sys- tem at all. There are jut a few. I have here the report of the num- ber of scripts given by the doc- tors for the months of April and May. Now we know that the supply of liquor ha: certainly been cu‘. off in a ver large measure-that i; the illici; liquor. The new twelve mile limit has made it easier for the Police to do their work. OM they have a great many more con- victions this year, and confiscations amounting to $3,000 or $4.000 in some case". There were 221 con- victions this year up to November 30; which shows that the illicit liquor is not coming into the Province as it did. Comparing tho number of script; issued with previous years, the scripts i"sued this year are greater than that of last year and the year before. but they are practically the same in number for the years 1928-1933. In other words, ‘in the years 1928-33 approximately 27,000 scripts were issued per year. It. will be in the neighborhood of the‘. same amount this year; that fr, considering the numbers that have been given out so far. But in the years 1023-21 the number of scripts issued approxi- mated romewha‘. in the neighbor- hood oi 37,000 and 38.000. so that you will sec from these figures we ere in a very much better position the": we were in the years 1823-27. In i920 there were as rneny es 50,- 000 in one you. So that it is prac- tically cut in half. l0 far as issuance of scripts is concerned, now, let u: remember that dur- ing part of that time the Com- mission was in force and had some supervision at least over the issuance of scripts. These are the facts obtained from the Attorney Ooncnlb office and can be cub-

invited '

we might.‘

parsed the 100 limit in a month. '

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stantiated by evidence that he ha: there. With regard to the abuse of this system on the part. of a small ; number of doctors, we have brought 1 pressure to bear upon the Attorney , General and he has yielded to that pressure} and already is bringing power to bear upon those who are , abusing the system. In other words. , as from today three of the most 1 flagrant violators-they are not! really violators because there is no 1 law at the present time-no num- ber, rather-but those men have been out off as from today. The Premier hopes that through these disciplinary measures he will be ' able to curtail the abufe of that system so far as the medical pro- fession is concerned. Now we ought to be cognizant of the fact that we are not. the only body which has approached the Attor- ney General relative to the pro- hlbitory law. We have had recent audiences. but so have the med- ical practitioners, and they have been before the Council on various" occasions this year. They do not. intend to have any limit set, so far as they are concerned. They say. there is the law, and if you don't give us the prescriptions we will make one out, and who is to say that it will not be filled ' That was done in one case. Perhaps the dis- ciplinary measure may be the best way of handling the situation. However, some of us are of the opinion that there should be a limit of not more than fifty per month per doctor. With regard to Lringink info Court doctors who} are abuing the privilege, we had l that matter up in the summer1 time in connection with this racket system in Charlottetown and Sum-

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‘along that line. That is the only

Ifor an officer who has

' erzide. With the Inspector we;

_spent a good deal of time in en- 1 Fripps '

dcavoring to find out who these] offenders were. We discovered some 1 of them. Then the question arose,

how are 3 .11 going to charge these

doctors, and on what count? There ' i: no limit at the present time, and even if there was a limit the Act specifically state; that a. doctor may prescribe liquor for a. patient. You get that Doctor up in Court ‘ and he swears that this individual . needed liquor; who is to say that the doctor was wrsng? "Phat is the pixobleni tha‘. the police are up against. ‘Hie only place in my esti- mation where you can get the doc- tor on a score of that. kind i: to dirtcovcr the dost-or who is giving scripts to these particular liquor agents which I mentioned this morn- ing. That is not. an easy thing to do, yet I believe it is possible to try it; and we have been working

place in my esdmation where you can really bring a doctor to account. I think that covers your problem. Does it satisfy you, Mr. Nicholson?"

Itev. Mr. Nicholson: “No it does not satisfy me."

The Chairman: "Does it answer your question?"

Abuses of System

Rev. Mr. Nicholson: "In part. The committee of this Federation 1 may have difficulty in determin- ing who those doctors are, but surely it should not be difficult access to the vendors’ lists, to trace the violators. It almost looks as if the vendors were partners to the busi- ness——that they must be permitting their shops to be used for those purposes in violation of the law."

The Chairman: “In company with the Inspector we went to the vendor's shop here, and went over the script; for the month that we had in question. Just at that par- ticular time there was a change in the vendor. The new vendor had not placed on the scripts the names of the transpcrtations. In other words, he was not up to his busi- nest. But he was instructed in my presence to carefully see that in future the name of the party re- ceiving the parcel of liquor was also entered on the script. When you have got that you have got something. But that is what we were up against at that particular time."

Rev. ‘Mr. Nicholson: “But I em told that those prosecutions were never made that were authorized that day."

The Chairman: "No, they were not; but that was the problem. I had that up with the Inspector and he explained the situation that I have outlined. We do bring these doctors to account and they get up in the stand and swear that they give these scripts medicirially."

Rev. Mr. Christie: "'I'hc doctors wouldn't. do that very often."

Rev. Mr. Nicholson: “The Attor- ney General authorized it that very day. Now you would suppose that they would have accomplished something; and I was expecting to hear that it had."

The Chairman: “In the mean- while the Attorney- General has takcn this other method of dis- ciplinary measures to cut off the scripts." »

Rev. Mr. Baker: “In thore years froniwhieh you have quoted every doctor was given fifty scripts per month, and all you had to do was to add and get the total. What is the system of issuing scripts now? Is it that doctors are issuing scripts on their requeit, and on their re- quest alone? There is no broadcast issue, but doctors write in for es many scripts as they want?"

The Chairman: "Not exactly. I understand that every doctor is entitled to a certain quantity of scripts, say fifty or sixty-five; and if that supply is exhausted the doc- tor ha" the right to write in for more, and gets them."

Mr. R. A. Profitt: “Does he state the quantity Is it a. certain» ad- ditional number?

The Chalrmsn: "I think they are put up in pads of so many."

40 Per Cont. "Blink?

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: "Am I correct in my understanding that on asking for" information regard- ing the issuance of scripts we were told by a Government official that about 40 per cent of the scripts were being honoured by the ven- dors in blank?"

The Gunman: ‘That is. Wilh-

iin the first four months of

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out being signed by a doctor?"

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: "Wiihou: being filled tn." .

The Chairman: “Yes, I think there were some abuses at tha; time, about six cr eight months ago. Instructions were given by the Attorney General in the early pring or summer that every pres- c-lptiona must be filled out. in pen and lnk."

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: “Am l right in remarking, too, that there was investigation made here in Charlottetown, Ldieating that one taxi driver wa". handling his 19th icript that particular day?"

The Chairman: "That was an investigatlori that I had brought to my attention, and I brough: it in the attenlon of the Attorney General, who instructcd the In- spector to investigate that par- l tioular day."

The Law Cited

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: "Section 47 oi’ the Prohibition Act state". , that ‘any duly qualified resident t physician who is lawfully and regularly engaged in the practice , of his profession and who shall i bcna fide deem any intoxicating I liquors necessary for the health of 1 his patient may give such patient l or patients a written or printed I certificate prescription therefore.‘

which shall be addrered to a re- ,1 '

tail vendor licensed under this Ac‘. , and shall be written plainly in I English, stating the amount and kind of liquor prescribed and af- firming that such liquor has been Prescribed for the person named therein for use as a medicine and not as a beverage. . . No such prescription or certifizate shall be furnished by a physician unless he i; attending professionaly such per- son and only in cases or actual need and when in the Judgment of such physician the use of liquor 1 in the kind and quaniity prescrib- ! ed is necessary.‘ The Act goes on to ' ‘cite penalties for infraction of the law. Now it is generally under- “mild today. right. in Summerside, that there are prescriptions avail- able at the vendor's store. If a man wants a bottle he goes and gets it. ‘lhe doctor will come in, a day or so nftcr. and sign :1 nuinboi- of l1ft"<‘ription~. a‘. a time, Thor-e prescriptions arc fillcrl in by the vendor. I lllillli that is something that we have to work on, without placing the full responsibility on the doctors."

The Chairman: "Can you prove that? I mean can you get the evi- dence of it? There is the difficulty that I find in going about my work. I find that there are a good many rumors about; but can you get your hands on the evidence?"

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: “I have had in my possesion a prescript- ion that was simply signed by a dwtfifl‘. that war found later where it had been dropped, apparently. That is not a recent case. But tu my mind the question of greater enforcement in keeping out con- I trabaiid liquor does not explain the ‘ $14,000 rise in the sale of liquor this year. Is not the sltuafioii this, that in those four months, Januaryto ' April, incoming contraband liquor‘

. is at a standstill o:i account of the '

weather A: that time the rum that i i: being broadcast from hideouts l throughout the Province, has come ‘ into the Province previously. So; personally I cannot accept for. a moment the explanation given of, that $l4,000 increase in the sales 1 for the first four month; of this. year."

Rev. Mr. MacLeod: “Mr. Walter- worth is quite right on that."

Rev. Mr. Baker: "What I would like to know is the meihod of dis- e tribution and issuance of scripts. We undetstand that, fifty were l-sued: but is that so? I certainly was told. and I think by a doctor. that. no ‘general distribution of scripts i: made, but if a doctor wants script". lie writes in for them and when his stipply Ls exhausted , he writes again. If my under- standing is right, then any com- parison of figure". Willi what. has been done in the past i; altogether foolishness; because the scripts that are being issued now are be- ing issued by doctors v.l1o \l"1'l‘ them, and the number that are issued must be charged 11,1 1o ino c who are issuing them. The number iszued tori years ago was charged up to the whole medical fraternity."

The Chairman: "I am quite sure that the medical profe sion are not given more than fifty, and some of the best. practitioners on the Island use from twenty down."

Rev. Mr. Nicholson: "Isn‘t is true that until recently fifty was the limit, unless there was some very exceptional reason; that no doctor could got more than fifty scripts in the coure of a month: and that now there is no limit? What is the reason for that change? I cannot see any. I don't think we are sicker than we were. It looks as if there was an extension of this for vendor purposes-for bootleg pur- m“?

The Chairman: "We hope that 1 will be dealt with in one of the I resolutions that will be pro entail‘ this afternoon. It is my hope that th: committee will bring in c. strong resolution asking for a lim- it. of not more than fifty to each 1 of the medical men. I may say that 1 in April only three doctors went j over the roe mark. About ten went

over the 50. The bulk oi‘ them l averaged from 38 down to one. There were ten or twelve who

were under i0 Approximately the same condition existed in the month of May; four doctors went over the 100; about ten went over 50; about ten less than l0; so it i; approximately the same."

Rev. Mr. McCleary: "Do you think conditions are better today than they were a year ago?"

The Chairman: "Well. the opin- ion of some who have been in pretty close touch with the sit- uation is that conditions are bet.- ter, and for this reason, that we have 227 convictions this year by the R. C. M. P. alone."

Rev. Mr. Baker: "That does not

1.

I IJOIIHJCBUODS in which

1 ggmethlng when you get much

a; .,',000 in contraband liquor."

Rev. Mr. Baker: "In that ca 6 '. does, but take the little fellow- .iio are in the business, and the JJICYS who carry on when they are oiivicted. It. does not shut. down the traffic."

The Chairman: "It is the opin- .:i of those outside Government .utliorities that the matter of con- saband liquor has been pretty Ililfill lessened during the year. 007 CIITIIE‘. were made up to the end o.’ October in Charlottetown, 408 .11. Summerside. But here is grobiem: Last Saturday in the town of Suminerside seven inves- tiaations were made by the R. C. M. P; only two charges can be aid because the other five were they got the liquor but not the owners." (Mr. Webster cited an instance in

his ovm experience two years ago, , of the difficulty of tracing ovrner- .

hip).

Rev. Mr. Watterworth: i s. look like a problem; ziiow for a fact that the l-‘t. C. M. J. in Summerside are particular places, twice a week probably; the same places where nien spend all day long standing iii their doorways or behind their bars, ivaiiing to do business, when the general knowledge of the peo- pie is that. tlioe are rum shops-

r establishments." "

'~3~--~5"ll111's'. l/fr. Wattcrwortli .t:d his experience on raids with he police. He asked if it was not porssibl“ to padlock the

“Thai

the ‘

butIj

searching ,

doors of .,

vvii bootleg establishments. In ‘

Ontario they smash into :uch places without ceremony. "I think the time has come," he added, “when this siiuation must be fac- ed frankly. Personally I believe that the temperance sentiment of the Province is depending on the

‘Temperance Federation to take a 1

defhite stand, and I don't,

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lio you can be satisfied with ex- e

the life of me, we can accept the

' i-itinc condition‘. r don't see, roi- . ' dues not

statement that conditions are bet- I

tei-. There is not one single boot- logger less in Sumnierside today. So far as the activity of seizing liquor is concerned, that would be done if we were under a govern- ment roirroi taxi". Tlicy do to ifrritrct i,'1ll'f‘l‘illl'l"llll>.fifllc;

that l and .

there ls 1v“ a hit more being done ,

here than 1t we were under gov- cr"ii "’llbCUll|.l'1>l." The Chairman: "I don't

think 1' . .

anyone is sail fled. I know we are "

not. But the question is how we are going to go about getting the desired result."

Resolutions Discussed

The meeting then proceeded to discussion of resolutions. which were finally adopted in the form publilied in yesterday's Gtiardian.

Rev. Mr. Nicholson: "So far as I am concerned, as a member of the rezoluticn committee, I think the one section that is really vital is the recommendation that our ex- ecutive consul‘. frcquently with the Attorney General. The unfortun- ate thing is that there only can} be one Government power at one time-one party in control. My ex- perience has been, here and else- where, that whatever party is in power we never get. decent en- fcz-eenicnt. The only enforcement we get is due to the constant pres- sure the temperance autlioritie: bring tobeai". So for as our Fed- eration is concemcd, the only way we can bring such prersure is through our executive. and my feel- iiig is that the more frequently the executive faces the Attorney General-the more frequently he is faced with the dissatisfaction of the public-the more the re iilt will be. All our other resolutions amount to little or nothing." .

Mr. Campbell's "Services" "

(The draft resolution expressed “appreciation of the services rend- ered by the Attorney General and

‘other officers of the lavia")

Rev. Mr. McClenry: "I don't. think I can conscientiously sup- port that."

REV. Mr. Stavert: “Don't you

think that brings up the question of our Comniision being taken away from us? Are we satisfied with that? If we express apprec- iation of the ‘services rendered’ by the Attorney General we are ex- pressing satisfaction with losing our Commission? Arc we apprec- iative? I think not!"

Mr. R. A. Profitt: “I think we are merely as uniing that the At- torney General and officers have endeavored to enforce the law, and if they have, we are expressing our appreciation. The other matter of the Comnii slon being taken away can be dealt with. In this resolu- tion we are just saying: ‘If you have conscientiously attempted anything in the name of temper- ance or prohibition, we thank you. .1

('I‘tie resolution was amended to express appreciation "of such ser- vices as have been rendered by the Attorney General", clc.)

The Chairman: "We want them to know that we do appreciate what they have done, but we are not yet sathfied; we want more."

Rev. Mr. McClcary: "We don't. speak of services that haven't been done." '

satisfactory ;

Rev. Mr. Baker: "We don't con- ‘

sldcr the taking away of the Com- mission to baa service e‘. all."

"Script Sy 4cm" Abuses

(Another draft resolution de- precated “the present script sys- tem, eqieclally since much script- aecured liquor finds it; way into the hands of bootleggersf‘)

The Chairman: "Let u". give this ‘

Rcv. Mr. Ni.h0l on: "No. but ..- kncu" it is bad aiiyivay.‘ y Rev, Mr‘. Savert: “There L: 1W

icni now, is there?"

Hie Chairman: "i tinder." ixrc is u system. that. is tiia. .i Cetor is provided during tile 11mm 11.11111 B, certain number‘ o: cripts, and that if lic desi s r1101": .c has the privilege of ivntnig i..." .il)l't’. Do you not in tiic otiici" par: of your report bring in a ICCUill- nientlation fcr the limitation oi

scripts?"

Rev. Mr". Nicholson: “No?

‘) have something definite about the limitation."

t Rev. Mr. Baker: "Do we mean l the system as SOL forth? The 11's- | tern iriay be that c-vcry clozr. iall y receive fifty scripts for medicinal

purposes and if he mints" more, rc- ‘

l ceives as many more as lie wants. But. how is it operating? Are scripts being used for all sorts oi purposes?"

vendors; because we don't know. We do know that there are too "curry scripts being used. We (to cw that a number" cf scripts are 2- g itscd for bootleg purposes; rlpts with doctors’ names tothc-m Jld 1:0 iiainc of a patient. It is. . hard, I think, to stpa the ivzdors and ilic hootlcggers."

The Chairman: "Can't we qual- iy that by bringing in anr-ttcr" rec- ommendation in which 111. ..sk for .i limitation of scripts?"

Mrs. Thompson: "I think it is a 'lllSi2l‘ek(‘ to think that there has in the past been a limitation to tl-c "sripts. The doctor conic! app! i" more. It was a suggestion only, I , understand." ‘

The Chairman: "Yes, and it ivzis overcome ln this way. because if a doctor had finished his limit of ‘ifty he simply ivrote out a private vrcseription, and who would (laiw riot i0 fill it? The Act itself say how many SCFlpLs sllull be given to each doctor, but I think we ought to press for a limitation or for some means of curtailment. I suppose under the "omniission also more scripts 1i c1": Zvcn, where required."

Rev. llfrlfnclsrod: “Tlvitlsqner- tioilablc. i rogu- litcd the

"wt-ii, that is

ivlirit we - given to urider- , stmd." l Roi. Mr. MacLcocl: "Some cf us

‘nave served on the Commission, and we know."

Rev. Mr. Baker: standing’ about it." . Mr. G. K. Ross: "The resolution might be construed as a request for Government. saic. It depre- cates the present system."

Rev. Mr. Christie suggested changing the plirnsc to "abuse 11f the script system."

“N0 ‘under-

Suggests "Follow-up" System

Rev. Mr. McClcary: "I think we , should have some system \\'liCl'Ob_\' " we can follow up tlicse scriptsmnrl find out if they are misused. A follow-up s_v=icm is what. is need- ed."

‘The Chairman: “I feel that. we. as a. responsible body. should be in possession of the information that was once the possession of the Prohibition Commission which docs not now exist. We believe that abuses are going on. but tho ‘ evidence we have of that. is what we have gleaned our-serves iii apri- vate ivay and through the tnfor- matlon given to us by the Attorney General. I personally tecl that some responsible body ouqlit to be in possession of these facts from month to irioiith. so that. tlic con- tinuation of abuses under the sys- tem coiild be curtailed as far as possible."

Mr. Profitt: "If there is a cer- tain number sent out each month. FRY Sixty-five per doctor. and they continue to send out iliis number to every doctor. whether he uscs them or not, where do all these _ scripts go? Do they continue to‘ pile up in the doctor's office?"

The Chairman: "One doctor in this city recently was asked that question. He pulled out the drain"- er of his desk and shoivcd a great pile of scripts, not used."

Rev. Mr. Baker: "Is it true that one oi’ the largest, users of scripts in the city is not a practitioner but a doctor in a government. in- stltution?"

The Chairman: “Phat is (rum We brought that matter to the attention of the Attorney (‘rencral on two successive occasions. llc is one of the doctors who is cut off as from iodirv. With regard to the recommendation dcprecatinq the present system, docs that mean that we are dissatisfied ‘vim [hp present system and ivrint Siflfljp- thing else?"

Rev. Mr. Baker: “It surely‘ docs."

_'I'he Chairman: "Of course we have already aflirmcti our posdion with regard to the cttistine 1.11". That makes clear to the (lovcrii- merit and tho‘ Attorney ur-nzq-gri m1;- posltion so far as the rxlstinglnivis concerned. If the committee is asked to apply this rccommcnciat- ion, they might say that tlic gon- ei-al feeling of the Federation is. that thcrc should be a limitation of scripts issued cacti llllllllll. Would that be acceptable?"