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Our institutions are full. The Infir. mary is full, the Slmms building ls full. There are a lot in the Simms building who are not proper ch81?" cs for that building, but we have to look after them somewhere. If the sanatoriunl ls to keep on func- tioning and perform its service of good for this country, money will have to come from some other quarter than the Government

There is an idea built up 1n this country, in fact all through Can- ada, that the Government should do everything. No matter what line of human endeavour you point to. the Government should do that.

‘here does the Government get the motley? Where do we get the money? It must come from the people.

Other Health Efforts

The Public Health Department ls doing great work. The nurses ivho were formerly in the Red Cross are there. That great work for the crip- pled children is going on year by year" in the good work done by Dr. Ackcr. This specialist is hcrc each ycar. He was here over the week- end on a special visit, and he could hardly get away. That vrork is‘ known throughout Canada. We have a reputation throughout this country on account of thc great work we have done for crippled and handicapped children, And Mr. Norman Summerviilc, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Canadian Red Cross Society stated, publicly not only in this Province, i bu’. in other provinces as well how we stand in regard to public health. how wc stand in rcgarti to JUHiOT Iicd Cross and Cllipplcd Childrcrrs y work. I". Ls c. inaitcr of pride that Prince Edward Island stands near‘ the top of the list. If you read thc Public Health rc- port you will find that Miss Wil- son, the Chief of Nurses, points to this serious thing, and I would ask- the honourable gentlemen that xvhen they go through their res-i pcctivc districts to draw this to the attention of thc people, that theirl children are not vaccinated in the public schools. There is not fifty. per cent. of the school children vaccinated. It is a shame. It is worse than that, it is almost crim- inal. Some of you in this House. some of the older Members ivill re- member in years gone by where we ivere paying $10,000.00 and $15,- 000.00 a year to pay for bills con- tracted on account of smallpox "in this Province. Would you like that iime to come again’? Which do you think is thc better ivzrv, to invest a small sum in vaccination? If you ivuuld keep it away’ you should have your children vaccinated. 1t is a simple thing. I never saw in my ex- perience one bad result from vac- cination, and I have been practising for twenty-five years. The same way with toxoici, that preventive for diphtheria. It is a life-saving incas- urc. There is no doubt about ii. I was Health Officer of this City for 15 years and each year tlrcrc would be ten or fifteen deaths from diph- thcriir, Now we hardly have ally. The same problem exists in regard to treatment of the insane as in any other line of p1‘0Vc1’itl\'e_1'l1CdiCinc. If this Province was able to adopt a proper method of mental hygiene you would not have thc same trou- ble as we have now regarding those who must be looked after. because we are so pressed financially that wc are almost unable to build a ncw building. Ilowever, had there been something done in the way of preventive medicine years ago we would not have so many to look alter now. I am not saying this by way of criticism of any Govern- ment, I am saying it in the best interests of public health. Now, Mr. Speaker, I am going to leave these Departments.

PUBLIC WORKS

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Hon. Dr. Macmillan: "Shows it in appreciation. I hope they will show it, because we had very good reports on the roads last year. Very few complaints. Even tourists said “Your ‘roads are good enough." I suppose we could have spent that other $160,000.00 and I am quite sure my ponderous friend, the ex- Minister of Public Works, would have spent it.

Mr. McIntyre: You put all the gravel in Prince County."

Hon. Dr. MacMillan: “And then we lost the election. It was not very good management, was it?

Roadwork

There was a lot of work done last year. There were 2B0 miles 0f road reconstructed and widened by heavy units, 505 miles re-graded by light machines, 8,850 miles scraped by power maintainers, 7030 miles of road scraped by split log drags.

Some work was done under Un- employment. ThLs project out here on the Hlllsborough Bridge was completed last spring. It was be-

the agreement. Wc are endeavour-

, doing it very effectively. Tire Police

$15,000.00 u year and they were to police the Province. The adminis- tration of the Force costs between 860,000.00 and $70,000.00 a year, so I think every on; will admit it ivas a good thing to bring them here. we made a fixed grant of $15,000 a year, they are supposed to do the work. There are about twenty-rive of them here, they are asking for nrore so that Prohibition in Char- lottetown and Summersidc may be more energetically pushed. There has been some diflcrence of opinion in regard to enforcing the Prohibi- tion Act 1n Charlottetown and Sumnlcrside, because there was a feeling in the Mounted Police that they were not specifically charged with the administration of laws in cities and. incorporated towns under

ing to hold them to this point, that they are supposed to administer all the laws. They will, and they are

Report has been tabled. All you have to do is refer to it and you will find the record of what they, have done in the past year, Ques- tions have been asked about the jails, about fires and disturbances

gun thc year bcforc. I am just. waiting uu my honourable friend,‘ the ex-rrlinistei" of Public Worksf gets up and tells us how 17111611‘

money we wasted out there. He is.‘ going to play the game of tit forI tat. It is a pretty good piece of. work. Ho. says when lrc built the} McIntyre highway it was expensive.

Our experience is on a par with your experience. 'I‘hat those things all cost too much money. There is no rise beating around tlic bushl about it. You might as well admit; it. The HIHSDJYOUEII Bridge con-l tract cost too much money, so did, what you built. So did every pro-I jcct throughout Canada. Every man}

in the jails, Of course there have been iircs and disturbances in the jails-too many of them. The ques- tion is, how are you going to stop it. We have endeavoured to do everything we can to cut it out. We are suceeding, I think. We have got a fence around the jail now that they can't get through. Before the fence was there liquor was being smuggled into the jail. We have stopped that. We even had to put n. wirc fence in the reception room in thc jail, so that when any one goes irrthere to see one of their friends who is in jail, there is a wire fence between them so that they can not smuggle in articles of

the inauguration of the first Cen- tral School Ealr. It was most suc- cessful. The ivlnners at the School Fairs assembled in thc Cit . They / , had Calf Club competitizyn, and 92"" for ‘Looopoo 5hr” 15 year those children for the first time . were exhibiting poultry’ livestock‘ of 6.23. This offer when analysed mots and flowers, and altogether and ‘mmpared Wm‘ the m1“ o! me

it was a splendid thing. ‘Then they had an oratoflca, contest’ and I the discount on the 5%‘); bonds at think 1t is going to be of great value 92"” o" $13,003)“, “mum be $72‘- to the boys and girls of thLs Pro- vince. The same way mo” ca“ of accounting the discount can plot C1ubs‘~“,|n,,h are gmwlna 1n num_ be amortized over the life of t e bers and importance, and where boys and girls are taught tq feed charge on the “at o‘ Issue’ as up‘ and look after great work.

I, , - food and liquor, like they were do- at the Tiller-Provincial Conference | mg m the past‘ may managed to got up and said so. That is the ex-

perience through Canada. You can't l Spring the door and put their stufi

keep days work under Unernpldv- in ma! ‘my we had to take the nrcnt down. We had, to cut it out. Of course we had to put a lot of patches on the McIntyre Highway last year. It is like the pants we used to vceor a good many years ago, you don't know which is pants and ivhlch is patches. No one knows more than lnysclf liow much you, have to spend on roads in the,‘ Royaltyi-himdrcds of dollars to? maintain them. v

Another thing I might refer to, in regard to thc Public Works De-l partnrent—I am going to skip over‘ these Departments briefly because the Ministers can handle them- the principle road work was done between here and Hunter River. A, good cical of gravelling was donef Some say there was too much ln' Prince County. However, whatever was done meant there was that much money spent among the peo- plc of this Province. 'l‘hat is all loc- al gravel. That money went into the pockets of the people, and in a limit many Cases it was badly needed. Some members are going to look at the Public Accounts and say "here is a man ivith a truck got . so much for hauling gravel." I would like to know how you are going to prevent it. After all how can a man with a horse and cart or truck wagon haul gravel over a long distance. You shouldn't forget that. .

Fire Protection

We had a good deal of work clone in this Building. After those fires, which were so costly and disastrous to this Province, we had to re-wlre this Building all through, and it cost us about $2,000.00. We were Wiring, or re-iviriilg Ftilconwood when the fire occurred. The build- ing was half done the night the

, fire occurred, and I think it was u

blessing we had donc that much, because in the women's wing the light remained on till the very last. That was the wing that had been wired. Since the fire we have had to do all that wiring again, We hail to re-wlrs the jail, and when we had the prisoners part wiired tllc

I will come to the Department of Public Works. I am only going to touch on“ it. A great deal of work had been tlonc in that Department for thc past year, and I know the criticism Will be the Department was so badly handled last year, there was no responsible Minister at thc head of it for a long time. We know that after the Minister of Public Works died thcrc was no ap- pointment made imtii inst fall. We know the Premier was ill nrost of the summer, and Mr. Sharp and myself know just how much we had to do last autumn, with thc irssist- ancc oi‘ some of thc other members we could collar. we would grab them in and press tllcrn into service. It

. wasn't easy work. We are not corn- plaining. but we worked prctiy hard. However in 1031 Jhat is thc year the Liberals ivcnt out and we came in, there was $471,844 spoilt in thePublic Works Department. Last year wc spent $311,670.00. In other words we spent $100,000.00 less in thc Public Works Department than in 1931,

Opposition Member: "'l‘lrc coliti- try shows it.”

T690"? Came to us the keeper's quarters was not so good. and that . had to be re-ivircd Besides that we lcndcavoured to protect our public | buildings iii that way by increasing ilnsirrance. When we came into Ipower there was $290,000.00 insur- lance, now w¢ have $370,000.00 of insurance 0n all our public lauikl- ings. The rate when we came into l power was $1.75 a year a‘. Falcon. wood. it was the highest, and ran down to 50 cents, the average rate 1 lvflllld be about $1.00. Our average rate today would be about 64c, the general rate is 75 cents. On Prince l of Wales College we have $150,000.00 aul our rate is 25 cents. That is one of the advantages of building fire proof buildings. where the av- crago rate is 64 cents you get a rate of about 25 cents.

II. C. M. l’.

In regard to the administration of thc Department of Justice, thc biggest event. in that Department was thc bringing in of the Royal

door out and put one in twice the size. According as we tightened up the discipline in the jail, the re-ac-

conference of clergyman.

TEE" QHARLVPTETOWNT

correct u. making ur- "itatemeut. ‘and you must rcdu So that our butter and cam stand can Int authority t0 build? at tho top of u». u» m Canada. 11110110 0111161810., warm; the w‘? and there was a grant-lumen in | cord of the fiitsnrlovnTha‘ MIMI" the output of-both of then articles, of the Bank til-Montreal .0110! during the Put Year. This ts one‘ and puttbat proposition up point where the Leader 6f the 0p- ' That is the reason we wentlon the} position and myself join hands, in

this matter of endeavouring to

show the people that dairy farm-

ing and live stock are the backbone , of the farming industry in this I Montreal, who advised us that that country. I always when speaking in‘ offer of 97.25 was ~a better offer this House viewed the seed potato than the Bank's syndicate was pre- movement there was too much of the clement There was just one rider to it, the of gambling in it, land time has _ assurance that the bonds when is- proved 1t. If a farmer grew flve or | sued would not be placed on the six acres of potatoes it would be all ' market to conflict with a further right, but grows fifty or 100 acres, they bring . contemplated and that was ad- the industry to the condition we hcred to. The first issue of a. quar- now find it in.

with alarm, because

when the speculator

Last; year an important event was |

ciilvcs, are doing

An important agricultural devel-

opment occurred last year from the fact that a Conference of Min- lsters of Agriculture, together with the Federal Minister, was which resulted in thc lnauguratloni from Galrdner and Company on in cacli Province of a Provincial y behalf of themselves and a syndi- Agricultural Advisory Committee,’ cute, That offer was on a. basis of including an official of the Federal 6.23. The offer was acceptld, be- and local Departments.

held.

Helpful Conference

Last year we had a.

I think

um “.35 an attempt to bum the there were nearly ninety clergymeu

place or some other form of trou- ble. We are still keeping on tight- ening. We are cutting the visitors ofi and they are raising the deuce. Every day I get a letter "why can't I order the Sheriff to get permis- sion for so and so to visit so and so.“ Jails are not easy to handle these days. We are having the same it arble as they arc having in other 5 Provinces and as the late Adminis- tration had.

The Coroners have been very t the number of violent deaths. They ' had to investigate sixty deaths 1n

the Province during the past year.

Those are things of course uncon-

troilablc. »

Juvenile Delinquents

Another point is the question of

juvenile delinquents. We have eith-

er sixteen or seventeen children in‘ Reformatories in Nova Scotia and,’ New Brunswick, Last year we spcntl nearly $3,500.00 to maintain them.

This year we are providing the

some estimate. Now this is some-

thing that is worrying thosc of us

who are working in that particular

field-the Children's Aid Society,

under the Society comes that work,

we have been at it in this City for

twienty-two years-mud we feel very

uncomfortable about those condi-

tions. We fecl we are not making

that progress that should be made

and the Government is dealing with’ the net result. They are dealing with result. of having to pay for those dclinqtlents who are sentenced to Rcformatories. A proposal 15 nrade that. a little more energy and intcrcst be put into picvcntion, and for that reason the Children's Aid Society are trying to get the Child. ren‘s Aid Act, the Children's Pro- tection Act and the School Act for this Province amended at this Ses- sion. They propose to appoint a full time man who will have t0 see if morc work can't be done among those children, more particularly in Charlottetown and Summerside, to prevent those children from fal- ling into delinquency. Because when once they progress to a certain ex- tent. the only solution is the rc- formatory. More work will be done along that linc in the next year or two. A rcformatory at the best is not the bcst place for children. It is a pity to sec-our boys and girls go- ing there, but that is thc only thing to be done when they become u... controllable.

AGRICULTURE

Now, I am coming to the Depart. nrcnt of Agriculture. This is a most important Department and it ls a great satisfaction to know that last year we produced more butter in this Province than in any year in "l" "WWW. and also more cheese. 1i’- 15 8 krcat satisfaction to know that the butter produced in Prince Edward Island last ycrir was the best butter that was made in Can. ada. It takes first rank. 1t 1s also a

Canadian Mounted Police, A bor- gain was made by which thcycamc in here and th¢ Province put up

satisfaction to kirow that in til?‘ matter of cheese wc al'e tied for first place in Canada. I think I am

in idea of seeing what they could do in courage different lines of eration among farmers, on very much the same line of work Dr. Coady is doing in Nova Scotia. It was thc first conference of clergy- rncn of all denominations. I never| 6".‘- bonds as asalnsl 5W5 bends-

conference at one time, with the

their respective localities to en- co-ep-

together ,

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Last, but by no means least, was he agricultural short course that

busy- I‘ is a 5tmng° thing “Mm . took placc in Prince of Wales Col- lege this winter. There were thirty- five boys came in from different points and took splendid course it was, and the .Minister‘ will probably be able to‘, road to y'ou_the optimistic reports that came from some oi’ these boys on the good re- sults from this course.

that course. A I

the fathers of

This is what _we are doing along

these lines and the Prince of Wales» College should be such courses.

the centre of‘

FINANCIAL SITUATION

There is one matter I must refer

to. You know our finances are not in a very satisfactory condition, as any one will see from our interest on Sinking Fund charges. For in- stance let me tell you this, in 1923 we increased our Provincial debt $317,853. In 1924 $160,441, ill 1925 $173,162, in 1926 $18,092, a. decrease, in 1927 $159,129, in 1028 $192,645. in 1029 $176,540, in 1930 $234,581. in 1931 $548,020, 1n 1932 $200,006. That is enough to make you pause and think and ask where is the end going to be. In 1023 we paid on interest $86,685, in 193?. instead of $86,000 we paid $175,000. The in- terest just doubled in less than ten years. So those who are charged with the responsibility of endeav- ouring to finance the Government

of this Province have no easy task.

A lot has been said about the bonds last year and Lwant to refer to them. we received an offer of 07.25 from Gairdner and Company of Toronto for‘ $250,000 of bonds 5'.~’.-'.'». That offer was made on Monday, the 25th of April. Now there has been a great controversy about why we went into the mar- ket at. all. The answer is quite simple, because the Manager of the Bank of Montreal, who does this Government's banking, came over to this Government in January and told us we had to reduce our bank overdraft, Wonder has been ex- pressed about that. Some of our friends on the other aide of the House will say it is a strange thing that he was so insistent with you and he didn't say anything to us.

The reason probably he didn't say’ anything to them was that he was doing better, or the Bank was do- ing better, carrying their overdraft at that time than if that overdraft had been turned into bonds. It was better business for the Bank to carry that overdraft, but as soon as conditions reversed themselves so that the bank was not doing so

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market. We were forced into it by our own Bank. 8o that on the 25th of April, receiving that offer, and communicating with the Bank of

pared to give us. we sold them.

issue of $1,000,000 which was b01118

tet or a million which went on the market did not conflict with the bigger amount of $1,000.00! issue-

The purchasers of the first $250.- 000 came across with an offer of

bonds. the cost being on the basis

$350,000 is on the same basis, but

300, and under the present system

bonds but must be made a direct

pears in the Public Accounts, so much discount on issue of bonds. So that it was decided to ask for a quotation of 6% 15 year bonds and that was done, and we receiv- ed an offer of 97.72 for the $1,000,- 000 6% bonds, bearing date May 1st, maturing 1947. That was received

from the Bank of Montreal and its syndicate, who were endeavourinfl

down an agreement to take $1.000,- 000 in bonds but they put in a blank price. They asked us to give them authority to sell 51.000000 bonds at a blank price. We felt we were not justified in doing that, so we accepted the firm offer.

Bond ‘Sales Compared‘ In comparing the salebf those

you must consider this factor. The

before in t-his Province. .1 think it‘ difference between the 6% and the will lead to good results.

516% meant a direct saving of $40,500, being additional proceeds derived from the sale. Thus our bank overdraft was reduced by the amount of $49,500, which amount over s. period of fifteen years at 5'.é%, interest compounded annu- ally for mathematical purposes, but actually compounded quarterly by the bank, amounts to $110,507.57. It is, however, recognized that the lncreae in interest rate of $4 of 1% over a period of 15 years amounts to $5,000 per annum, or in all the sum of $75,000, which to- gether with interest at 596% totals $112,043.59. Thus the entire trans- action results in an apparent loss of $1,535.02, over a period of fif- teen years on an issue of $1,000,000. But if the interest is considered as being compounded quarterly’, rath- er than annually, the apparent loss of $1,500 ls more than accounted for, and the heavy bond discount between the two quotations has been amortized over the period of fifteen years and not made a direct heavy burden on the yiear of 155116. as would have been the case if the bonds had been issued at a lower rate of interest. The procedure fol- lowed compiles fully with sound accounting principles as carried out in Provincial andmunicipal financ- 1118.

In the month of May the Prov- ince of Manitoba sold $5,000,000 0% bonds at a net price of 92%, the ap- proximate net yield 65260. In May Saskatchewan sold $4,000,000 6% bonds at a net price of 91.45, the approximate yield 6.80%. In May Prince Edward Island sold $1,000,- 000 6% bonds at a net price of 97.72, approximate net yield 6.23. The City of St. John in May sold $558,- 000 0% bonds, net price 971$, net yield 654%. In June Montreal sold $0,415,000 6% bonds, net price 9B. approximate net yield 61.1%. In June the City of St. John sold $833,500 6% bonds, net price 971,5. approximate net yield 611%. In July Montreal sold $190,000 8% bands, net price 9715, approximate riet yield 6.30. when you compare those prices you will find that Prince Edward Island among those sales made the best bargain of them all. Why we didn't ‘go into the open market I have endeavour- ed to explain, and here is a letter of which I will mad an extract, from a manager of a well known security house in Canada, in which he slates: _"I take 1t that you are considering calling for tenders but I feel that such a. course should only be decided upon after careful consideration on your-part, I9;- u you are aware, the-other Provinces

well, they came at us and said "You must reduce your overdraft’ to transact such basins; w flu-

and Cities have thought it "our

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.#PXU|l0n and . moat c: the mantra; val we a... gol-ul "M13853 PM‘ mt; 1 this: you would-mutant: ma. difficulty in amalgam; re- lpoiulble house or lyflflllllfi .wh° would be willing to tender: publicly lndthus face u» m: of halal Illbltlntially higher than the next highest tenderer. This mistake w“ made by the Government of New- tounalantraad as 1on9 we as MW of ‘tut year, and due to it their financial difficulties were sadly ag- gravated, m; n3 you will remember they received no tenders."

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Many Opinions

B0 than are a great many opin- ianl on this marketing of bonds and there is our statement on the point. You can make a comparison oi’ our sale with other sales. The)’ say "why didn't you wait. There was no need of you going on." We say we couldn't wait. We were forced into it by the Bank. They didn't draw the attention of the late Government to that point be- cause conditions were better, but at the same time if the lat; Gov- ernment had acted in the last six months before they went out of power, and bonded $1,000,000 of their overdraft they could have made a very much better bargain

than was done later, because there was a more favourable chance to do so, and if they followed the ex- ample of other Governments they should havg bonded. ‘Ihat was the opportunity to do so.

I am not going to keep you very much longer. There is just one or two items. I haven't time to go in- m them in detail.‘ The matter of Old Age Pensions, we are going to put it through this year because it is a. plank in our platform. We think it is a good thing. We think

' “use We °°“1d n“ 3°‘ “Ytmng it is going to help out many a poor

person in this province. We are going to put it through at the rate

splendid t° dl-‘Wse °1 m" blmds m‘ l“ 99m‘ of $15.00 a month. It is not neces-

sary t9 adopt-the $20.00»rate. We are going to adopt the $15.00 rate. We Qstimate there will be about 900 pensioners l!) this Province. We estimate the Provincial cost will be $32,400. We estimate we are going to save in this _way. There are 42 inmates in the Infirmary, who will come under the Old Age Pension and thus we will save over $10,000. We estimate that there are 4aa persons in this Province who are now getting direct relief and if they get Old Age Pensions the Govern- ment will save nearly $13,000, or 1n other words there will be a saving in those in the Infirmary and those receiving Direct Relief of

‘about $23,000. And $23,000 sub-

tracted from $33,000 will mean, if our estimate comes out correctly, and that is- if the Commission keep a firm hand on those who are pen- slonable, it won't cost more than $9,000 or $10,000 a. year.

Mr. LePage: I told you that last. year.

Hon. Dr. MacMilIan: You sug- gested last year it would be good business and I believe it would be. I have to agree with you some- times.

FALCONWOOD SURVEY

There is just one other matter I have to deal with very shortly and that is Falconwood. What are we going to do. I don't; think I need go into thc story of our connec- tion with the Mental Hygiene Council of Canada. ‘You all re- member when Dr. Fleming and Dr. Mitchell came down and made an examination of Falconwood before the fire, they found condltiom were not all they should be. That would not be any reflection on the Government lead by my Honour- able friend Mr. Lea, because condi- tlonsln Falconwood were thc ac- cumulated conditions that he'd grown up under both Liberal and Conservative Governments, and if the Liberal Government should bear any criticism for tho condi- tions found, I say the Conservative Government should be equally re- sponsible. It was an endeavour to improve conditions. and at the time of the flrc they were ready to report. I was on my way to 0t. tawa the night Falconwood burned. I got a telegram, sent from Mone- ton from Dr. Flemming, saying he wanted to come down the Yiext day to deliver the report on Falcon- wood. We got in touch with them again and as a. result, through the good offices of the Minister of Health of Ontario, the Ontario Government lent us Dr. Clark. Dr. Clark, I found out when I was at the last Inter-Provincial Confer- ence was the best. man of eighty. seven in that particular line of mental service in Ontario. Youcan understand Dr. Clark was an‘ es- pecially good mm. He dame down here and examined all our patients in Falcouwood and the Infirmary. He went through our public schools and examined those children who were sub-mental, defective, and we know that there are a number-b‘! children in Charlottetown who

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111s next thing we an‘! m: to sfi-u ' point 1m architect. We feel we op‘- wlatca a mod man-w. Fowler pol Halifax. We had some criticism. My Honourable Friend from First Prince referring to Mr. Mill-INT unknown nationality and his part‘ 1n the colorful ceremony at the opening of Prince of Wales College laid it would have been a much nicer ceremony if this bard been a locarmn. There was a disagree- ment with ‘our local architects. They were instructed to go over to Fredericton. St. John and Halifax, and take the Superintendent .of' Education with them, in order that they might sec the last word in modem buildings. They didn't do it; consequently they didn't get the position at the college. That vial the trouble as far as the local architects were concerned. Tfhls time we appointed a man from. Halifax, because we got criticism forgoing tobpper Canada for an architect. However, the work of the Toronto architect stands there. It is commented upon by anyone-and [everyone who has any experience of educational, buildings. They don't find very many flaws in it. He may belong to Upper Canada, but the firm of Marani, Lawson and Morris are well known. They built the Medical Arts Building 1n Tor- onto and Hamilton, Ont. They are byyond criticism so far as compet- ence ls concerned, they know their business, and I believe so does Mr. Fowler, whom we appointed archi- tect on the plans for Falcouwood. Now, it is quite true these plans took a long time in preparation- months and months, They have been reviewed and gone over and supervised by the Mental Hygiene Council of Canada, and their ad- vice was to adopt a. plan or s. scheme that would be a. sort of minimum standard for the Prov- ince. Now what happened at‘ the, last of it was we felt from the, knowledge-that we got that the plan suggested by them was away lbeyond our reach financially, so in order that there would be no breach of faith with the contract- ors, the tenders were returned un- opened. We are still of an open mind. We have not committed our- selves. We have spent some money and we have learned that the-plans acceptable to the Mental Hygiene Council of Canada is beyond our reach financially at. the present time. We are axljournlng till three o'clock tomorrow, and tomorrow forenoon we are making provisions so that the Members of the House may go out to Falconwood, and I hope return, (laughter), visit the Slmms Building and visit the In- firmary, so that when you are de- bating on this question you may see conditions at first hand yourselves.

Fire Protection Assured

As far as we are concerned we are just as willing to take your ad- viee as to take advice on the Gov- ernment side of the House. Differ- ent advices have been given. The extreme advice says “Don't do any- thing." "Don't build at all. You are getting along all right." Now we went this far, we intend to build. and we intend to build something decent and substantial, and for that purpose we have connected up with the Citywater works, because you know the fiasco that occurred there the night of the fire. Th4; fire pro- tection from water was evidently no good. The City firemen were not. able to couple on to the fastenlngs or connections there, and in order that the thing might not be rc- peated we thought it wiser to hitch up with the water system. It cost about $22,000, now we will be sure of our fire protection. The cxtreme view is not to build at all. I don't think this is the proper view to take, When you go out there, look at the women. They are not housed properly. They are all crowded to- gethcr now.

You must have a. certain amount of admiration, and there should be some words of commendation, for the Superintendent of Falconwood‘ and his staff of nurses and attend- ants who have carried on since the fire under extreme conditions and have got along so well. We have bu! no accidents, clear of what happens‘ in the jail, which was not a responsibility of Falconwood. We had to discipline some of the at- tendants at the Simms Building last summer, let some of them go for breach of discipline. We have got on very well, but I don't think we can go on that way. Iookingat it from a decent logical standpoint and looking at it as a duty to mrr insane people, they an our wards, they are our direct. responsibility. I don't agree with that view that we should go on u we are.

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I0 1.1100 ‘ONE 0; ‘course WQPQ-‘r’ Lthlllltlunublv they °"" to home! we ‘will rim, hove to,have provision roi- 50m . f” DPODMUOII-was to bu“ main-administration builqgn‘, out there, use the old infirm“, run u cut it m two, one t... m’ the men and one for the w " out the poor people in the simm- Biillding and ‘give up thc quark“ over here. Those are the dine" factors. You will notice in the , "We ll. vat-hm: Drov .2 fqrlliloonwootfthts year. ws hm; vbefore theuiscusslon on this 5.14,? I011" ll QVQLWB Will get 50mg; on the basis ofa concerted 0pm,“ of what is wanted.- We will i, down a. Supplementary Estlmlm u, cover what is required. jNow -it is very difficult to crown everything. into a Budget Debate]; alight‘ be-pd-islblq mat I might h“, to, clcu- th1s~Debate. You know 1' have the privilege of closing u- when you are through, but 1 m; not insisting on that. As you m see tonight I am not criticizing] am trying to do what is best in n, interests of this Province. 1 u, putting every card I know on m, table, no matter what happens,

Financial Situation

You know our financial situatlqg ts bad. The-outlook is bad. are certain fixed charges .1" which we have no control, T‘ interest on Sinking Funds-lire m. terest is one quarter or ‘our revert», There is a most pernicious symm of saying this is capital. Your or. dinary and capital expenditure should be bulked together- mind. You say the capital looks u. tel‘ itself, Does it? 1t is uu m," pernicious of all. You have to take charge of it sooner a or later. It should all be put t080thcr, but you knowdhow account-ants make u; their accountsNIhey specialize qv. erything. I suppose it is quite prop. or. There are certain controllable expenditures, there ‘are certain fix- ed charges. I don't think we can save one cent more this year thln we did last year. Bo there you m. If we could only get our cl|lm| settled at Ottawa. W6 Went thisilr at this Conference, we got a prim- iso from the Prime Minister d Canada that he‘ would sct upi_ Tribunal that would be compauhlt in the Commission that settled tlié claims of the West. We have got that promise. I hope this promise will be fulfilled. We are eridcavo - lng to do our best. We got $1 ' last year on account of our re structlon at Falconwood and than buildings we are‘ trying to buildup. They tell us "you are well off down on Prince Edward Island You are rich." '