' Laws for regulating the trntllr: in Ardent Spirits, with a view to.

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CHARLOTTETOWN, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, TIJESDA Y, JUNE 22, 1852.

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lrgtstattur tavorrcutngs. HOUSE or ASSEMBLY.

Ssrvuiuv. March 80. I862.

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I-Ion. COLONIAL SECRETARY moved an amendment to the Resolution submitted by Mr. Palmer ; which_ amendment was seconded by the Hon. Mr. Will-ZIAN. and was. in ell'ecl.—" ll_IM prohibiting the importation of Ardent Spirits would not ‘prevent ro- tstnperuiice. but encourage smuggling; and that a revtrrturt_of t e

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placing the granting of Licenses unrlor regulations. dilferetit from those at present existi , would atford the only check to interiiper- aucs at present .-cries le."

Hon. Mr W ELAN, in seconding the rirtittndtnerit propos.ed"l‘-{ the Hon. the Colonial Secretary, said. there litd not. no ‘liiillilv O . that evening hiien uttered a single st-ntitnerit in t‘.I|lItli:I||tI tit-ut'of iti- tsnipcrance. front which one iridivid in the llouse would tltssmil. The evils, misfortunes, itnd crimes, sequent upoti inienipt-.r.tttce, eurrte, be believed. in sotne measure. witbiti the experience ofevsry lnetiiber ofthe llouse ; and till. he tlttlllllfid "Mt W"!‘ld ""‘“l'l)' ‘ml cheerfully acquiesce in any really prudent and practicable measure for their tlllllllllllltlll or suppression. . sidc-r the question. with it view to prohibition, it was the duty of the House ttt look lit the interests which prohibition would ulfnct, and to the obstacles which would ltnve to be uuercorne..' In the first place. it was to be renternbered, llllblllfl duty on Spirits wits about one-fourth of our whole rtiveriue ; and riest, it ought to be ‘borne _rri mind. that the extinction of the tnanufucture and trritlic it_i spirits would throw man m'en out of etuploynicnt, and de_ rive their trinit- liss of support. I on. rttertrbers. who wished to annihilate the trade. had not shown eitht-r ltow the loss to the revenue was to be remo- died. or how those whose interests. either as cnpitnlists or l.-tltorers, would be dariirtged. were to be coritperiszitod. It might b._t szttd. llllll they whose interests would be injured by the suppression of the trstfic. bad no right to lttok for contpcrtsrttinn for sucltoiijury ; bot llo thought otherwise : for, by an arbitrary liw. tti deprive any innit of the benefits vvltich had been accruing to him by tlte t-rtiscciilrori ofa lawful trade. would be an act of tmivive wrong mid IIIJIHU90 3 and could tiitly be justified by reziaonztb e cotiipcrtsatton. The object 0f"tlio sons of l‘uiiip-irtirice" was uriques ionrtbly good: berievolerice’ to their fellow rnen wits, he believed. their ruling principle ; ltut he did not think, that the designs of all who pretcttdietl to so port their views, were irt harmony with the dictates of benevolence. Many, who seemingly gave their support to the lfilllpvfflltlcfl rnriveinent. ltnd in view the iiccontplisltrrterrt of designs widely dilfcrerit from the an ll‘i'l1ltin of this it-ntiic in grdgnl spirits, with a view only to the good of their fallow-tiieti. lle llitil looked nt the 'l'exttperunr:e Pett- tiotts which ltad been sent in, arid hurl observed. that not one-h:i|l'

who. so for front being “ Sorts of 'I'eotpertince." their grog very freely. Besides the valid olsjeclioris to be t-their to the extreme views of those favorable to the object of “ the Sons of 'I‘srnperririce." founded on the diminution of the revenue. the injury to the interests of those directly engaged in the spirit trade, and to the grriwers of barley, it iingltt tilso to be iibsorvetl. [hill the views of the Puritionr-rs and their supporters were very far from betttg sus- tained. to their full extent. by public opinion. he signatures to the Petition did not, he believed, reprc.tent five hundred ridulis, mid yet its object was intended generally to ttl‘.'oct 63,000 persotts. lle was strongly of opittioti. that any sudden change. siichns that proposed by the entire prohiliiiinn of the triide in nrdeitt spirits. would only tend to the ettcourrgetrtent and extension of smuggling. llut he would be willitig, that the House should be pledged If |’BVlI|9 lllfl License Law next Session, rtltltough he thought that, its it at present at . it was quite stritigunt ettough. provi ed it were strictly and duly enforced. One improvement. however, might, be tltnuglit,_bu made in it, and tlint\rvtts, to make it necessary for u person wislitiig to obutin a 'l‘averu License, to procure the concurrerice of the ma- jority ofthe people resitletrt within eight or ten miles _nftl.ie plzicct in which he wished to open his ‘l‘nvern. This would, in his opinion, be better than tti ullow 'I‘iiverti Licenses to he obtained either in the wiry in which they are now trocured. or to place them wholly iii the power and at the disposal o Grand Juries. lle believed that more could be done by ntorrrl luasion. out of dtiors. for the II rend of terttporritice principles and practice, tltnn could be riccontplished by the Legislature. _But. tit the saute time, he believe it wits iii the power of the Legislature. b an ellicient Linetisn L.-iw. greatly tti citcurriscribe the dotnininn o irttemperrtrtce. Tlrrouglt the nperrition of such It l.:tw.—tlic power to gr mt, witliltold, or cancel ‘l‘rivern Licenses being, thereby. cott- ferred either up-in llencltes of Mrtgistriittes. or Gr.-irtl Juries. and not. as rtt present. left to two riiagistrtties.—rrt:tny of the schools of I vice. itt which so trratty of our nuth ure corrupted. nmny “I ll“! ltovelii rind dons of itifatiiy now open in the ls'tiiid, would lit! t5lli'c- tually closed. and the atmosphere nround tlierit urilieed from the . ntoral pestilence with which it is now laden, to the do-atructton o 'liii purity, health. happiness, rind prospects of all who litibitunlly I bretitlie it. But still. he believed. there was only one grand remedy } for the evils of irtieiiiperaitce : and tltnt was to cut oil‘ the spring ‘ whence supplies for excess were derived. There is no safety but in total nbatttierice. I e who drinks in moderation to-dii_v, rtiay drink tti excess to-rriorrow. 'l‘lie litirt. rttettibt-.r for Kin.;‘s County (Mr. \Vlie|aii) seemed to be tiiucli afraid that the teittpnrunre move- ment would be tirade a political engine; iintl, if be (Mr. _Clark) un- , durstbod hitn uright, was decidedly n posed to the cnnaiderartiort of r the tenipersnee ueslirin, as one of egislative policy. or popular agitation. on. tnernber (Mr. Wttolnnt could not. however, be ignorrint, that under representative consitturions—ir Gr:-at llinrttn sspeciall —ull great political and social reforms ltrttl lust-n llOt2l|lI1- lislisd y iristtus of popular agitation, as itlfecting elections. nrtJ gully dotdmlriiiig the sgittttsd question by the voice of the people's ' '“ I' II ‘II n

_ an ill birlll sstirblislied utilely itt cortsequertcu of ils having been stihniilted, to the several constituencies of the Islnttd. as it qtti-titinn, on wlrroli they wore, tliciii-elvi-s, prrtcticnlly to decide at it geiterril election.

That the tuttrperitnce uestion should. in a sitnilnr way. be subtnitite to the deturiiiitnttion n the people, or should. at all. be tnrrdtr it sub- ject of populitr rigittitioii, previous to it eriernl election. would. in the npiiiioii of the hon. n.errtbt-r for King's County, (Mr. ‘VlIUltltI,r) ‘ hly improper. He, (Mr. Clnrlt.) however. tltouglit very di - fereittly Nothing, it was admitted. titi all hands, cool he a sitter scourge to u people tlitirt iritein ierance. 'I'liertt could not then. surely, be any soeitl evil, for our iilivernrtce from which. all ought to be more dsatzply eotiesrrisd. And, ss Legislatures were, otinfsssedly. cnitstitut the guardians, not only of men's t‘.It il rights, but of ublic rnorrtls. could any question be more worthy of legisla- tive ds lbttrrtiioti rind rtctiott. than that iimtlvin u popla sstibjeciion to. or dullvsrsncs from, the awful scourge of ititeiitpersnou! lle was to reply. there could not. and elsewhere, the cause of tern raiice. in the hands of truly booed. aud’Jutlicious rtdvoctttes, would yst prtivs one of the most wsrlbl a buiislloitil elitiiients of popular agitation, that hnd st sr lsto action for the prmttotioii of a people's well-lieitig ufl liapptiisss. Ha esriaialy did not expect. that ilta present As- ssuitilyviould put us sud to out intitie in ‘tutu-xisaiirig liquors ; list, 00 u very sanguine hope, that the tmtu was not

cl li it was not impossible that yet. osuvlusd of the propriety of their principles. become

f ‘ ltll

: export tlicrri to England, than to sell them here for the tiittrtufaicluring

determination. and blic spirit, tn.eerry out, and give their full

House will than be near its death through age; and the question

force and sl_l'ect, to t c lsws, of which they were especially appotnt- will be put of a while longer. Let it be the test at the busiings.

the administrators ; but any ihi but it confirmation of this sup-

itiou was to be found in the many wretchedly ill-udri ted houses which they had constituted 'l‘uvernu. and that too, very o err. where. from their immediate ooiiti utty,—uot being more than half it riiile sprtrt,—it was quite obvious they could not he required The License Law, or the mode of carrying it into effect. required revi- sion and amendment ; rind he thought that. under it better licensing systutn, the evils arising from iittempernnoo might be greatly s

bated. Hon. Mr. POPE.

by the friends of temperance, except as regarded the views enter- triiried by them with respect to the policy of proltibition. he

lived long enough in the world and s--en enough of the evils of in- temperurice, to be sincerely desirous to retrieve them.

aware of the grant goo_d which had been aecoirtplislted sacs Societies ; and he was most friendl to the objects which they llitd in view To their honor, he would state that. through their utitiring exertions. tltere was now in the district 0 Bedeque, which was formerly hntorious for scenes of tIlrtsip.itiI)n, one Tavern ortly, slid. to the credit of the people, they ticcnunicd it ll nuisance. The good which hnd ulrendy arisen from the dilfusion and practice of turn ierance principles was very great ; rind, he had no doubt. still greater would be secoruplished by them; but, to bitit. it was evident. frotn crtlculations insde. rind based on the present financial state of the Colony, that it would be impossible. at present, to ttdopt the extreme views entertained b man friends of the ternpernnce cause: for the abolition sou ht for y them would deprive us of one-fourth of our revenue. rid. besides. irt considering that ro- posril, it was to be remembered tltitt this Island is not iridepenilient of Great Britain. end that. consequently, we could not, by low, prohibit the tt':tlIit: in ardent spirits w.tliout the sanction oftlie llorrie Goverririinnt. which was. certainly, ttot to be expected. he tliougltt, so long us Great Ilrrtaiti wris sit deeply interested, as tit present, to ntrtintain the irittvests ofher West In tin Colonies. And, decidedly favorable us he was to the cause of terrtpernnce, he was bound to say. that he could not acquiesce in Wllfll be deemed the extrav.-ig.rnt views which were entertained by sortie of its friends, with respect to the use of ririlent spirits its is beverage. lle could not see that the terriperate use of therii was it sin ngoinst God, or ttltln ; nor could he bird that such use of therit Wtttl fnrlridderi by God. could tint. tht-refore, perceive by what rule of justice, such friends of tetnperrrttce tneartt to proceed, when they proposed tn.prohil)it. liy low, the use of all intoxicating liquors. ' it so would be to punish those who never used I erir, otherwise than in strict itii

1wfu| tiiodierrttion, for the am oftltose who carried their indulgence ‘

in the use of tltern to Ilelbitttltlg and vicious excess. lle was desirous that the House should itnrrrcdi-rtely give evidence of the sincerity with which they desired to dirtii iith the evils of internpcrrince ; rind thttt. he thought. they could best do by it revision iitid rtniendriient (I the Lit-ertse .iw it would propose. that no houses should be i licensed as 'l‘.ivertts, etcept they were clearly required for the itc- corrtr.'tod:ition of travellers, rind he would prohibit the selling of_ liquonr. in such houses, to any but travellers rttid lodgers Ilrunknrds were made in tippling homes. Few rriett been-tie so by indulgence , in their own liotrieri: there the wlinlesorrie re~;tr.iints imposed u tliertt by wives, cliiltlreti, and servants. were safeguards against i mean. Prevent tipplirig in taverns. and tlrntri-dririkingrrtcourtters. ] and habits of irttertipernnce will not long continue. lle would 0 ‘ nway with all Store I.icortscs. and he would, in no case. nllow the retailing of intoxicating liquors. except under the strictest reg-tlntions. tluch regulations would, he thought. ell'er-.tually strike at the root of the evil. Beyond tbrtt, he would leave the remedy to moral ituzsitinn; y vs ich means. 0 was persuaded. tiiore converts to tcmperrtrrco would be made. than by measures of coercion. And he tciy rriuch questioned whether the friends of prohibition and coercion would we unquestionable proo of their sincerity and benevolence, b suliriiittiiig to tax themselves to make good the deficiency in’our revenue, which woul be occasioned by such a proliibitory enact- ment, as that for which they pruyed. Mr. Y rt supporting the views of the Petitioners, mentioned his having, when lost in London, been taken by Sir George Seymour to a meeting of about fifty naval cotiiirtttuders. some of whom were udrrtirrils, itrid others citptiiins,—ths object of the meeting being to consider u it the propriety of introducing the observance of letti- perntice principles iii the navy, sortie being favorable to their intro- duction. and otlterit nppou tti it,—lltat lie (.\Ir. Yen) ttriglit state to them what benefits had been experienrzed by tittiself, us it eliip- owiicr, front having iritrnducud tetttperrtnce regulations uiriniigst the crews on board his vessels. ' ‘h on. inetriber I’I.‘CiIpllllli|It.'ll the ndvnnlttges, which he had stated to that meeting of lIitt‘iIl ollicers. he had expcriciiced, in it period of four years, tti uriso frtiiii the eriforceriiont of tctttperaiice principles on board his sliips—sucli as greater security to life Xlll property. more speedy voyages. and to rill on bori grenter order, liarrtiotiy, rind comfort. ttrtd to the inert increased wages. in the shape of an allowance of four shillings ll irttinth. ittstcutl of ro . The meeting, he said, kept liitri undo-r etarritrirrtiort for more tlinn an hour, and he had tltu Itlllrtlilcllott to litid lli it. from tlte irrforttitition which Ito ltnd rttfordt-d them. coupled with their tiivrt pa iiil experience of teiitperirnce regulations in the l|ltV_\'. they were iipittioii, 'llrtl ifgrog a lowrinccs were nlttigt-tlret withheld, rind coll'uo given instead. its in trierchantrrten. with Icin- pcrate crews. more would he iitucli rttnre poaioe, order, coittfort, sal'et_v on ho:ird rihi is of war. The liort. tneitiber tlteii citri- cluiled b ttbsenirtg. lllltl the proliihitiort of tlistillntiori would occa- sion ito o.-is to I re nrnrers. for it won it Illl.Il'.ll better and more pr-rlilrtltln for tlierti to convert their oats rtrid bitrlt-y itttn pork. or to

it wliiskt.-y.

lloit. CIILONIAI. SECIKETARY. lle hnd no objection to unieird his riiotion, tigret.-ably to the suggestions of the II it the 'l‘ro:i-tzrcr. lle would approve of it Law, the operation of which would lesson the rruinlrer of Licensed 'l‘uverits. It was. he thought. tidniittetl. on till hrtnds. tlriit t'iere were too mun d it was rio- torious. that few of thorn hnd the rtcconrniodntions required by tlte Law, gross deception having been practise upon the tn.-tgistruies at the time of procuring certi cnles. 'l'liese ieriiitrks spplted not only to 'l‘rivsrns in the country, but to 'l'averns in Charlottetown as well. lle wouhl not allow tiny to obtain Licenses for 'l‘uverns, but such lll could rttl'ortl proper rtccnrnttiotliitiotts to tr.-tvi.-llers ; and he would cause till'l'nvertis to be aliut tip in |0o‘c|oek tit night. Such nti nrrnrrgitirient would do away with rttucli drinking. If a person wtillted iitlo ti 'l‘itvei‘n ut eleven or twelve o'clock at night, he would. generally, tirid more pursuits drinking in it, th:tn st uny time tlironghnut the day, pnrticulrtrly ori rt rrirtrket-dtiy. 'l'o rtiltiliit the iiiiportntinn and dislilltitiiin of spi. its wtiulil only increase sriiugglirtg; for it would be ititpossilrle to provide a sutllcient preventive force to guard itgoinst it. "o iitiptisii heavy duties, would operate in like trtnnner : it would ulford eiicoiirrigetrient to the smuggler, and injure ‘

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Mr. MOONEY. I am sorry that "the Sons" hove petitioned the Iltitise at all. There are well-intentioned men amongst thent ; and, when they took their stand, I lauded them in my own triiri . and I would join tbettt. were it not that they ueelt to achieve too much. and divest themselves of that Christian charity. of which the great governin rule is. " Do unto all men as you would they should do urtto you.‘ On this ground lditfsr with them; for, wltilel abutaiti ni self, I allow utiother lise-will to partake. But “the Sons" wil lose their lustre by sull'eri tbsmselvu to be mails it cat's-paw of. Under the girth ‘religion, the wily politiciurts, who have united with them, will carry out their subtle designs, eclipse "the Sons," and leave them in utter darkness. or wltat other

rirpose did men, who are aeturtlly grog-sellers. at tlifi very moment, themselves, sigtt titionsl 0. Sir. let "tbe Sons” coins

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H. fun, ¢.m.;.;.-,-ad 3.. .|| um; hnd bggn aid will not prevent the Deputy Sheritf ftorn calling them to the Grand

lle was well I Pl-lllllc l b 'l‘ertiper. ' Boy that the forernaiii w.is e Tavern

.1 ;' oil to it great extent in every quarter of the Island. even in irr-

‘rtrrt sit or seven shillings a day, would not than be fouitd wtrstirrg

y it they may get some out ofpower. who. at present. uniioy them very touch; and, if they accomplish that. “the Sons" may set never to rise ii in. This is in version of this famous dodge. The lion. member for Charlottetown thinks the war of granting Licenses should be left to the Grand Jury. Oh, it: at a Grand Jury they are at times. . Are t y more grand than eighteen other men? Nut tlisy. It is composed, in many instances. of arliat they call, in my '°'"|l|']. “ boys." Yes. Sir. young men in Charlottetown, if they are well barbered and dressed. tltough they wear a moustache, it

Even if they wye never out of the Royalty. they are ac-

counted quite good enough to serve as Grrind Jurors. These are the men who know who tire entitled to Licenses ! What u ruse on the Sir, the injustice of the measure demands more from me. _ Keeper, would he be willing to tillow his next-door neighbor to sell grog.’ No. Sir, he would not. Regard for self being the predorriinrirtt passion of man, it cool not be expected of liiiri. What did it man. who called himself “u Son," tell me, two days ugo.’ 'I‘liis, “ l‘ltat he did not expect rttuclt from the present llouse; but he thought we would do uwtiv with many of the 'I'riverns. and that would be a blessing, even if no more were done. In his opinion.tliere were uite too rnsn . David tewnrt’s, he thought, would be quite enough frorri the Colonial Building to Mr. P‘etltr‘ck's.” If that recornriiertduiion woul not pay vi or ll“ fililnfllflfe. what wou ere was sortie brotherly love in it, '" "'1' °P"|l“"- Bill. Sil’. the more I gaze at it. the more visible is the deception ; rind l'will not suffer “ the Sons" to be betrrt ed in this rrianncr. I hold itt my ltnnd a Resolution which will test the srnct:rity_of the advocates of the measure. ' ‘hey have pictured the Iirrportattnn and Disttllntitiri of Liquors in all their deformities. des- troying liealtli rind morals, bringing disease and death in their train; and all these evils tire bruuglit on men through intoxicating drinks. It lvst for the Contritittec to say, wltetlter we can rerriedv the evil by legr.-tlarive interference or not. If we can, why put it olI' l'or another ‘ear.’ _ et us II to the rescue of the people at once. 'I‘lti Reso- .IIllrit| will let “ the Sons" know how rnuny “ Fathers" they have nt this House. It is this :— _

."R¢!0lI7¢l. That a Committee be appointed to bring in a Bill, Ill“ SWBIWI. for the purpose of preventing the Importation and Dis- tillziliori ofrill Liquors."

'l'hi: Itesnlutinn having been read. rind the cation put thereon, the Conrrnytttce divided, only two—.lIessrs. D ooney and Clark- votrng for

Mr. l‘.‘1l.\IEIl, in reply to the objections which had been made to lint lltesolutioti, said, “The principal arguments, or rather opi- l||‘“|=l. ridvtiriceil by the hon. iriciribers who have opposed triy rriorion. artinrrrtt to nothing but this, "I'l:at should the Legislature prohibit the rriiportrrtiort of Irttoxicating Liquors, it tvould tiller it direct pre- tttturri for Siiiuggliii .’ V ere, however.I should like to know. would be this benefit to the sirirtggler, when, by the prtiliibition of the stile of iritoxicntirtg liqpors. his occupation would be titre? But, as it Is at present. we (ll er the srtiugglerri direct preiitiutit in the srnount of the spirit duties; and we know that smuggling is carried

lottt.-towrt. But. if we nltogetlier prriltiltit the tratlic. where will he the profit? As it is. the smuggler contrivcs to get in his contraband spirits; he evades the duty.nnd trucks it frotn one end ofthe -tiltir_td to the other. But altould the trrillic be prohibited, where would be his customers? If there were no grog shops. where would lie find u rririrket? he fact is. the atrtuggler's occu ntioti. above all others. would then be nt an end. It is next objected, that the pro- litliittng_ o the trttportatinn of spirits. won cnsion so great a drriittintron of the rt.-venue, as seriously to entbsrrnss the country: and that we would not be able to make up the deficiency. It is. I

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Coturiiiitss As to the bets; siauaesrus of iusii ‘

rifiisiiig itilouicatirig liquors, of IHDOI, I loves of children.

to it, siirli ii imrtsi-Isrtition eiitiiiot fairly Halli“ sgulut It: &. OI lb

eonlrwry. ought to tire it iiton weight, us -boislug iltst its object lsuttt so int-ii~uri-, but «its ulticli is prayed for lay Ildivlkb. both old

'-"4 ¥"""l . t-ti-Ii and poor, isrvtpuruts utit int uie—cIluliku drud-

givs us sitswsr to t wecartengsgeio doso iistii Ssssios; and I doust iblubu leash- tion pledging the Hotsss to do l0,t‘.II jristlylts tlsuuiurl uelns. I doubt extract. and neither do tits Pr-titimttn-s t.-spar-.t,tttat the House sbuslduow proceed in ones to Is isbtte upon the oestloii; but I visit the Iltiuu to eat to them. that the prayer of their Psiitltis sbii|l.at the earliest period osttililu. receive their iiiost iiiittiivu ootisi . Such II will, I tbrrilt. be suticieut for the ptussri Mr. WIGHTMAN. He would su port the [evolution moved 8 nrtotietotrit. It was too late in the Session for the House to take up the whole quustisu,vrith I ' ' ' ' ' thsreou. He was liitnsslf, however. of o iriioti, that the remedy for iritutiiperancs was set to befoundiiitellouse. touto ' so ucoulduotlisnuds viritiotis by the more power of a law. oral suasiota was tlio means by which vice was to be eradicated and virtue iudscsd. An he no iiiitcerely, that the day was not distant when. by gentle. but sure ellicucy of moral suasion, the degrading and ruinous vice of ioternp'erttnce would be driven from amongst us. At at. however. it was I! fact. that Tuvsrns were on the increase lt- out the Island; rind. therefore, he would have no objection to cater so far into the question, thit Session. as to provide for the diiuiitstion of their number.