_ JUNE 2, (1923

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u STEwARfr; Why have they

. _ CROSBY: Because in hl-"mffiio" of the engineer the ' rice was too b1511-

. QTEWART: And they were

"by day's work’! p l1 MR. cnosnv. Yes.

"Si-suntan": why is it that

Ngjectil are let and the con-

iiione spent in {Ififiilflrlgi that)’; You will rent many road inspectors

a Kw increased their salaries lignflldflrubw by the amounts imp made out of hlghwayfl .wer.. completed 111' 11105" did not tender ior them. flee"... to have been a coni- m imiween the tenderer and ly worker, although the al'- ment with the Dominion “mast. calls for the work to oi". by tender only. Take now wdatzcollnts; _it is impossible luffoiil them jlist where we d They are not carried for- ' There ls no running ac- ‘ii-gilt through to show an ', pbalance. Taking it all ili p, record of my hon. friend I I very imperioctshape lli-

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‘llllii money. ‘part of ‘the

revenue at all.

[he tux-payers in the end. i“ iii» a more manly tglltiorward plan to H (he people directly. lllBill childish tubterfuge.

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s no change from firs liry. lying roads and en- wils nothing in the Ac ollt [lflflllllllttill roads.

ill. A. l". ARSENAULT:

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list-d its road policy.

olc the TOTAL SUM to build "i1 and improving 1 swamp roads and culverts.

ON. lllit. CROSBY: Tliat is rect.

ill. STEWART: That t you did. though.

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ll. ARSENAULT: Your policy i'.).'.’0 is not in line with your The.'proof of

int dny policy. tlsAln the roads you are build lou have not expended al

mpy places.

- impossible to build any othe

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Almost any shoe liar a smarter look When you wear "points!

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That matter ofythe 0111110" ‘lrlludtld t0 by tlic member for f (Mr. lirodie) shows the care-

. stated, there were betweeen different nls charged up for engineer- why should you pay 1110111111 are not engin- ‘1 l don't know that anything he said further about borrow- Because a cci'- revcliile is sot

., ii is argued that therefore!)

amount is not comini-r ""1 o‘ Yet the Leni- oi the Government 1111111115911“):

himself when he says 1111 iii the reasons for lmiiflfllnl! mmai [axes is that the auto rad been replace-ll 1W 1111195

W, Wnple of this country. It is “m. step further; it comes out ‘ 1t. and take it It ls We

p. iiir- proof oi it, that it is part [liq public debt. Those deben- ti by mflqircs as forniilig part of tlic

e . Ho»; iiii, CROSBY: Our policy i. to get into such shape with éimniiilon Government that we

ya grant. We hud ideas along the position was suggesting but wc

. a a/Mal kind. Every contract l 11:1 iiy tender, hilt there was certain amount of day's work in ilf‘l.‘l.lf)ll with them that was un-i liable. Where in the opinion llic engineer accurate uieasure- nts cannot he made the work ll be dune by days’ work. There

Thai is ivbut we did ——tho culverts.

You li- that tlie (lovernnient has not ()n page oi‘ tlie Journals oi the llouse, 0, on motion of Premier Bell, ondi-li by .\lr. Crosby, it was olvcd that it be expedient to

low-lying

not

tlie money in the construction - improvement of low-lying and You have put n l: amount of it into upturning lill1 roads that we claim was necessary. You claim that it

110i roads, that you have ob-

- keep of these 450 miles. There are 0.200 milerorroad GIN!!! Island

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tained a cession in being allow- ed to build them as you are doing. Did you ever try to eliminate from thosc projects those ' sections which are already perfectly dry, where there are always good roads as soon as the snow. is off the ground? Why the people like the roads is because you have improv- ed some low-lying places in the projcrts, and the farmers appreci- ate that. But they forget, when they get this present benefit, that a lot of their money has been wasted on the other stretches oi road. You admit that yoil had to increase the taxes in order to sup- plemtnt this matter, by withdraw- lug that portion out of the revenue iuadc up oi auto fees. Here ‘we are lacing o. very hard burden where we should practice economy. This Government has made it s0. that now the ordinary expenditure of this Province is practically doubic what it was three or four yearn ago. ‘We ha\'e now reached the l.l8l‘1(_0l practically $1,000,000 a year expenditure. Even admit- ting that every cent was expend-

first step in this grand ‘march to- wards increased taxation, increas- ed eixpentliture and extravagance. Any Government that will follow you. may justly lay this blame up- on yuu, that you have led the march towards a largo expenditure every year. This iiiny lead to very tiangcrolis results. The Premier says llt- hopes, that the automobiles‘ will iucrezlse. l know that agreat many oi‘ lls who own cilrs feel, with the high price oi gasoline, oll, garage repairs, and so forth, that it taki-s a mail with means to ui- forlldhis extravagance. Only a very small proportion of farmers iii those hard times can afford to buy or operate automobiles. The Premier‘ is simply giving the key- note oi extravagance ——-clicourag- ing lt~— whcn he talks this way. it is not a. policy that will prove to be very advantageous ' to our farmers. ’l‘llis province has the name oi being very conservative in llit! matter of expenditure. it will he a temptation to the iarm- ers to see the Premier or some- body go past their homes at twenty five or thirty miles an hour. it is not a thing that will make towards iiliity us between city and coun-

.y_ 111.73’. MR. LEA: Tile way you are talking you would think we iverc taking the taxes out oi the people of the Province. Can we tako something out oi’ anything that it never was in’! There was $13,000 ol‘ auto fces~ln general revenue at thc time we adopted this policy. That was all we rc- movs-d. There is $30,000 more - auto fees collected this year than cveravas in gcucral revenue.’ Only 8300.000 has as yet been borrowed, and we are taking it from one class oi people, the automobile

class, the laboring people. simply redistributing the money. We expended $635,000 ill time oi‘ t stress. Was that not-good assist- ance to the working people? We have not changed our road policy t at all. .

MR. J. D. STEWART: My hon. friend is wonderfully ingenious. That auto tax was imposed, he ad- mits, before this scheme was ad- opted. Alid because it has natur- ally growll ho claims they have a right to take it olit of general revenue. if other revenue grows - have you a right to put it in your pockets’! The Loader of the Gov- ernment admits at last that one of the reasons for pllttilig on taxes was to fill tip gap made by rc- luoving: thc auto ices. if that rev- cnuo grows, tlie gap becomes big- ger. If that money was not fund- ed if. would be available today for general revenue. = liON. MR. LEA: if a man is I faxed on three cars, could we have taken that much additional rev- enue?

MI’. STEWART: The man with three cars would be paying the same license under the law whetli- er the money was funded or not. 1‘ He would be relieving the tax-pay- er that much, and it would be that much additional revenue, if it had not been filnded. That doctrine of yours about taxatlons being used to equalize wealth is rather a . ilanzcrous one, my lion. friend. You have been asking for oiir 110110)". When we go to the people twe Mil tell them direct, blit we will not trust you as a means of communication. (Applause) At present, this is the place for dia- cussing the record oi this Govern- mont.

MR J. A. DEWAR: l have ni- ways claimed that we cannot ni- iord those so-called improved roads at a time when agriculture is noss- lng through such hard times. The motor car manufacturers were at the bottom oi this road improve- menrscheme from the start. The poor people on the roads get very little out of it. The biilk of the money goes to a few lrlg contract- ors. 1 have seon places where the drainage and engineering on those jobs was not any too good. Mr. Dewar said he bod heard from a resident of the Bridgetown-Carill- gan road that a culvertbad been piit iii where there was no run of water nnd where there used to be a bridge, and where it was neces-

tlie rcsult that the water dammed

up. . MR. PETER DRODIE said there were 450 miles of road tinder these projects to be finished this fall or summer. This work is tak- ing n little over $800,000 and that is all the roads thatmre. going to ho done. So far as he could iin- derstaud, when this money is gone they sill not ask .for. any more taxes. The auto fees will pay in- ternst on. the inc ey borrowed. while another merit er says that

ed properly you have inadetbci

owners. and giving it to another; lt lsl

ssry, there was no culvert, with 11181113 worn d-urln-g business hours both by men nnd women. lit is be-

oi shoe which must be kept spot-

Boston Blocking Co.

lyet untouched. At least 2,200 nrilos of these roads are used every day by ollr farmers and there is only $35,000 voted for all the improve- ment of our roads. This will not maintain the roads already done, according to the amount already paid out on some oi them. The project from Union Road to Scotch- iort Station, eleven miles, was tendered for at $12,000 and cost $21,000 to finish. Mr. Brodie said he could build this road, clear of the culverts. for $600 a mile, and the Brackley Point road at the same price; There are twenty- eight men put down as engineers in the Public Accounts, with sal- aries totalling $17,000, besides $1,- 700 for gasoline, and $4,000 for curs. Judging by the expensive way the roads arc finished one would tliink they were going to plaster and paper the sides of the hills. it was doubtful if there are now 80,000 people in the Province. This was no time for large and ex- tra mgunt expenditure.

HON. MR. COX: You say you can innlte the roads for $000 a

mile. Mil. BRODIE: Clear oi the cul- verts, yes.

Mil. HESSIAN thought Mr. Bro- die‘s criticism pretty mean. A dele- gation was asking ior the project from Georgetown to the Ten Mile House.

MR. BRODIE: They arc asking for their share oi‘ the money, cer- tainly.

Mil. l-lESSlAN: He condemns the project and yet asks for the money

Mil. BRODIE: Give mo my share of the money on all the roads!

llill. PIESSIAN: How mlich does -lle pay on his farm for farm labor‘!

Mil. BRODIE: Not very liiuch. I've got no farm.‘

MR IIESSIAN: The road work was good to the laborers oi this country. They got 82 a day.

Mil. BRODIE: Would you go to work for that?

MR. HESSIAN: l worked in this city for S-i a week for five years. if tllerc is u class oi people in this Province so meuii with one anoth- er in the shape oi paying each other it is the farmers. I never heard oi one farmer over-paying illioillei‘ farmer. ii a. laborer asks o. farmer for S2 l never beard oi‘ him shaking n S5 bill iii his face.

Tlic Chairman called Mr. Hes- sian Lo order.

hilt. HESSIAN said it was im- possible to build the roads for $600.

hilt. BRODIE said it was not im- possible.

Mil. HESSIAN thought Mr. Bro- dit. ill?lll(l act fair instead oi con- demning the Government of which lie was a member. He should be working hand in hand ior the com- mon good. '

HON. MR. CROSBY said there were only six graduate engineers tin connection with the road work. iThere were three others employ- |ed who were students of engineer- liug for two years. There were {other names mentioned under tlie ‘charge of engineering but those ,were just assistants. Last year itllcrc were sixteen new projects lbesilles a number of‘ old ones, and _ very engineer hail from one to ;threc projects to look after

lie liud to have assistants on each ‘one. Three oi’ these engineers are employed in the winter. Mr. Bro- ldle rays he could do the work on lthe 18600. flllltilllll. filling oi, the swamps?

MR. BRODIE said yes, on the road lit referred to. A

HUN. MR. CROSBY: I am not talking about any particular road.|

Mil. BRODIE: I was talking about the road l had in mind.

HON. MR. CROSBY: li he means just u. little spot here and there, that might be so. There might be miles that lie could do for that.

MR. BRODIIJ: When I take the bluo hooks issued by himself i illid all tlioso names-ZS of tliem—- charged lip as engineers. Ons oi thcm gets over $2,000. You put it in your book that way. lf they are not all engineers why did you not do it right? if I did the work l would not go about it the way those engineers did. I would not remove lillls that were not much higher than this counter (rapping his ilesk) costing $400. There was a tirain that cost $270, and an- other over $300, on the top of the hill. l would not dig drains like that-~-eight feet wide and three iecl. on the bottom, where there was not any water. '

HON. MR. CROSBY: The hon. gr-nilclnnn is in our ofilce often enough. i would expect him to in- quire alid get the right informa- tlcu.

PREMIER BELL said the Lead- cr o." tlic Opposition should pro- duce his road policy. He had un. folded» a policy already. he claim. ed The Liberal policy is. cieM-iy defined. The root oi it is to take tllP auto fees and fund them. The (‘ciiiiiiissioner of Agriculture says there was only $14,000 in the rcv. enuc from these fees in the first place. and that this represented the amount of loss the revenue silllered. but he took a. different view. That money, he said, had no

i WHITE SHOES ARE POPULAR

‘E1911’ Year sees more and more

White canvas and white buck- skin shoes being worn, Where one time these shoes were worn only for tennis and

other outdoor games they are now

cause the yare so wonderfully com- fortable and economical that they are so (popular. iii there l-s one kind

lessly clean at all times, it is a white shoe. Clean them with WlliliilE-O. No matter how dirty they are WHlTl-l-O will make them snow-white. Remember the‘ name, WHJTEOf

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tlie auto money iii-going lto the up-

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roads clear of the culverts for) That is a pretty generousl Would that include thci

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right to go into general revenue at all. The Biggs system in On- turio is exactly the same as ours. l do iiot know whether he copied froin us or we copied from him, or whether we have instinctively reacr ed the same idea (Laughton) The roads must be built to con- nect up. The Conservatives pro- pose to build up swamps and put in culverts, but there is more than

that required by the Federal Gov- ernment. There is drainage and grading. The Conservatives ol1~

pose getting that 40 per cent. be- cause they refuse ‘to comply with the terms. The owners of the autos are not concerned where tlic money goes provided they get the roads. The auto charge is not as large as in the neighboring pro- vinces and the car owners are sat- iufcd. it is not a tux on the coun- try a: all. Two years ago the Con- servatives introduced a. resolution tlcclaring their policy and they do not need to announce it now. Mr. Brodie was opposed to the im- proved roads and when the elec- tion time comes he, will have to take his chances. He would not say that 450 miles will terminate the road policy because there is more money at Ottawa. The Gov- ernment will not borrow any more money than they can see their way to pay back. There, was $27,- 930 of an over-plus on hand which was paid into the sinking fund. MR. STEWART: After that very long deliverance it will be again necessary for mc to say something. The Premier is an inveterate speech-sinker, and what he has to say he says over and over again. lie complains that the Opposition have not put forth a policy and then undertakes to build up a. pol- icy anu knock it down. l would atlvise the Premier to make some more successful efforts to meet his own policy, as he plit it out before the last election. We have oppos- ed the stand which he has taken in that subterfuge of his, by which he has attempted to deliide the people into believing that because he has ear-marked one part oi the existing revenue and is funding that to pay back the money which he is borrowing, that therefore the people of this province will go scot free. Lloes he think for a. moment that such a simple pretext as that will impose on the intelligent elec- torate ior a moment? He has giv- en the key to the solution himself when giving the excuse for in- creasing the taxes, one reason be- ing thut it was necessary to make up to the general revenue the amount that was withdrawn in the shape oi auto fees ior the purpose oi paying back this borrowed mo- ney. lt‘ he did not withdraw this money _the logical conclusion would be that he would not have to in- crease the taxes that lniich. Where is the ultimate source of the mo- -ney? ls it not the taxes paid by Ithe people? Surely any child can ‘understand that, and yet he tells

-the taxpayers a cent. And because lave try to point out to him, to dis- ;illusion him of this hallucination larc opposed to the road policy! As 1m the policy of building the roads, _he again says that we have no pol- licy and then proceeds to build up ione for us, to knock down. He said ttwo years ago I introduced a re- solution. it was just a year ago. I ivas not Leader of the Opposition two years ago. That resolution is practically the same statement as

by his Government when they first established their road policy in this House. it was to the effect that money borrowed should be use-l for works oi at least such a permanent nature as would outlive theliiooi the bonds. He says now that his own resolution was ini- possiblc—that he could not get those terms. HE could not get thorn! is that saying that nobody could get them? Perhaps a. more efilcient man might have succeed- ed. Tho Government had from September until April to carry on these negotiations and when they intimated to this House that they had arrived at an arrangement they brought forth a resolution embodying their policy, upon which they based the act to borrow this money. It was explicitly stated that the money would be devoted to tlie building up of low-lying swamp roads and culverts. ii this work was properly done it should outlive the length of tho bonds.- Tbis is just our policy. That was their policy at that time, and yet they say today that they could not make that arrangement with Ot- tawa. Now they condemn us for advocating that very principle and they say we have no policy! The Premier spoke of collecting this money from the wealth of the country. Just how solid is that argument? He has admitted its fallacy himself when he says flint they wllihave to be made up by additional taxes which will have to be paid by the taxpayers of this province.