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Following are excerpts from the

liansard report of the discussion

on the butter situation in the blouse

of Commons on Sept, 30:

Mr- Arne: “While the Minister

is dealing with farm production

"lilies. I wonder if he could in-

form the house what stocks of

butter are on hand and whether or

not he thinks those stocks are ex-

cessive? Does he expect the Gov-

ernment will be able to get rid of

that butter’! Will the floor price

under butter be continued for an-

other year."

Mr. Gardiner: "A long-term re-

cord is about 63 million pounds of

butter in storage at this time of year and, in previous years, that butter has been held by various concerns. This year, on s similar date. there are 6d million pounds of butter in storage. The govern- ment holds about 46 or 47 million pounds of that and the. trade holds the remainder.

"I may say that the trade has taken much more into storage since the announcement in August of our intention to mar- ket the butter at a price that would give us a clearance above the 58- cent floor price. After that state- ment I presume the trade has tak- en for granted that they will be permitted to do the same and will, therefore, carry on business in the usual way.

_ "The Government's intention is not to go into the wholesaling or retailing of butter. We have all the records of the stock these com- panies have held in storage in the past and we have records of what they required in order to supply their customers. From time to time these companies will be sup- plied with butter and the butter will be sold at wholesale and retail in the same manner it has been previously. Our estimates indicate there will be no great difficulty in connection with the handling of the butter. We have not exper- ienced any difficulty in connection with the trade or anyone else in the handling of it up to date and we have no reason to believe we will.

Further Figures

“I may give some further fig- ures which may be of interest to the committee. _We have now about l5 million pounds more butter in storage. held by both the govern- ment and the trade, than was held on the same date a year ago. It will be recalled. however, that we had to purchase 15 million pounds of butter in order to sup- ply our own market. From this it will be seen that we have no more butter this year than was made available last year.

"To answer the question more fully, l shall read the figures with regard to butter similar to those I read with regard to "the other products a few mom ts ago. In 1938, butter productlo amounted to 360 million pounds; ln i944, it was 403 million pounds; and in 1948, 407 million pounds. In 1938 lhc domestic disappearance was 345 million pounds; in 1944, 357 mil- lion pounds and in i948 375 mil- lion pounds. The exports were very small, being 4 million pounds for the, first year; 5 million pounds for the second year; and 8 mil- lion pounds for 1948. The surplus we had in Canada in 1958 was 45 million pounds; in i944, 41 million pounds; and in 1948 it was 32 mil- lion pounds.

It would seem that our position now is not any different. to any considerable extent at any rate, from what it has been in any one of the fifteen years I have been in the department. I am sure it is not much different from what ‘it was 20 years before that.

Mr. l-Iarkneas: "l want to ask the Minister if he thinks he was quite fair in relating the stocks of but- ter on hand at the present time to the stocks that were on hand on the same date in previous years? He must realize. as everyone else does, that people are now able to buy margarine, which I am sure will have quite an effect on the- disappearance rate of butter. I should like him to common‘ on that particular phase of the matter.

l-las the Department made an estimate of bow much butter is going to disappear as ,ared with the disappearance rate in the past? This is the season when butter that was accumulated dur- - the summer is released to the trade. I ain sure the minister docs not want us to expect that the same thing that happened in the past will happen today, and that this butter will rapidly disappear.

Iieer Price

llr. Gardiner: ‘The same thing is not going to happen this year as happened some years ago when other governments dealt with oleo- margarine. We have seen to that. A floor price has been put under butter. I am not going any fur- ther into the matter than to say the same thing did not -happen this year with regard to butter as happened when oleomargarina was brought in before. At that time butter was up, as I recall lt —and I am speaking from memory now. —sround 70 cents a pound. and before they got through with the experiment it was down in the twenties.

This time butter was held up around ‘I0 cents a pound when oleo- margarine was introduced; and there ls no doubt in my mifiiLthat, if the government had dons noth- lng- about it, buttar would again have gone down to at least 40 cents and might have gone down fur- ther. But the government put a

floor under it and kept it at 50 cents during the summer.

"The policy that is blinl follow-

ed is one of stabilising the price;

iifllE GUARDIAN.

Butter Situation Under R Discussion in Parliament

it is not one of holding the price up to the consumer but one of stabilizing the price at around 5i! cents. The government has some 4B million or 47 million pounds of butter in its possession in order to see to it that no one charges an outrageous price for butter be- tween now and next spring, when our cows go out on the grass again to produce butter in great quantity.

"In other words, there is some regulation upon it. While the farmer benefited during the sum- mcr months by the fact that the price did not run down, the con- sumer will benefit during the win- ter months by the fact that it will run away up out of all propor- tion to what it should be.

Not Sure "To answer the other part of the question, as to what differ-

ence oleomargarine has made. l am not too sure. Last spring every- bfidy was telling me that no one knew the difference between oleo- margarine and butter. but along in the middle of the summer oleo- margarine went down from some- "U"! over 40 ccnts to around 30 cents, while butter was holding at 58 cents. Some people must have known something about, it_ "I was just telling someone across the floor tonight that I had something to do with a massive Great Dane dog that was fond of butter. l-Iis mistress gave him bread with butter spread thickly on it; but being Scotch, she came to the conclusion that ihcre was no use spending so much money, so she went and got a pound of olcomar- garine and spread the bread with it._ The dog sniffed at it. put his tail between his lcgs and went and lay down in a corner as far away as he could get from it. In other words, if individuals do not know the difference between butter and oiaomargine, dogs do. Consumptl Decline

"l do not know whether or not olcomargarine is entirely respon- sible for the lnwer consumption fflcefllly; but the consumption of bu"?! dllflilg_lhc last fe\v months,

as compared _with the months im- mediately preceding, i5 down about 3 million pounds. That does not get it down to the long-term average, but it. is down by 3 mil~ ll0Il pounds. That is shown by the records that we are able to com- pile. Our records are confined to the storages, and are based upon the records in a number of cities across Canada.

"But everyone in this commit- tee knows ihat today ilicre is a great dcal of butter stored in freez- ers all ovcr the country; and I am not so sure that the 3 million pounds that is indicated as the reduction. on the general statis- tics as we have compiled them over the years, indicates the true picture. There is a possibility that the consumption is not down as much as has been suggested by the figures I have given. But the outside figure in any case is 3 million pounds down in the last few months as compared with those immediately preceding.“

Marketing Act

_ Mr. Fulton: "On this item, is the Minister able to say anything in connection with the marketing act which was introduced at the end of last April, at the end of the ses- sion of the previous parliament? Have any requests been received from the provinces for application of dominion authority in the mar- keting of any of their produce, or has the act been applied as yet? Mr. Gardiner: "There have been three occasions on which it has been applied. The Nova Scotin apple marketing board made ap- plication quite early, and they were granted the authority; the tree fruits board of British Colum- ‘bia also made application and were granted authority; and only today I signed an order in council grant- ing the authority to the vegetable producers of British Columbia." O I O

Cost of Production

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of manufacturing a pound of mar- garine as compared with a pound of butter‘! There has always been some dispute over this matter. Surely the Department of Agricul- ture will have some figures on the aétual cost of margarine."

Mr. Gardiner: "l cannot say what the cost of producing oleomarga- rine is. I can only assume that. when the manufacturers reduced the price from somewhere in the forties do\vn to somewhere in the thirties, they would still get their cost of production. I do not think they would have reduced the price below that. I assume it is some- where in that neighbourhood.

"l am not in a position to say how much. I am bound to say it. would be very difficult to state what the cost of producing a pound of butter is. lt is certainly much less in the summertime than it is in the wintertime in most sec- tions oi Canada. and at 5B cents as a floor price I am quite stir’: that in most cases the farmer should make’a profit. There may be some areas where he does not. but I do not think he would pro- duce very long if he could not make a profit at 5B cents in the summertime. 1n the winter there may be places where it may be difficult for him to produce at 58 cents. I would not like to argue that point with anyone. But I think it is right to say that over the whole twelve months in any part of Canada where they should be producing butter to be marketed farmers ought to be able to make a profit at the present level."

Margin of Profit

Mr. McLure: Margarine is manu- factured from oils which are im- ported. It should be easy to find out the cost of .1 pound of marga- rine. The Department of Agricul- turc must know that it is different from manufacturing a pound of butler. Different things go into_lt. These people are buying the oils. The Minister knows the set-up. The Government took all the du- ties off so that they could make it as cheaply as possible and get as high a margin of profit on it as they could. If we had the figures, this committee would learn that it does not cost 20 cents to manu- facture the finest margarine that is put on the market."

Mr. Fulton: "That is still good."

Mr. Higgins: "Did I understand the minister to say that he had a list of the average retail price of butter in the different provinces?

Mr. Gardiner: "I presume what my friend has in mind is the ave- rage price in each province.

Newfoundland Sales

Mr. Higgins: "Yes. that is what I meant. What would the average price be in the province of New- foundland?"

Mr. Gardiner: ‘The table which I put in dealt with the setting of the floor price. It takes 5B cents at Montreal as the basis. Basing it on 58 cents at Montreal it is about two cents lower in Winnipeg, which makes it 56. It is I 1-2 cents lower in Regina. which makes it about as 1-2. As we so ‘west it sees up again in British Columbia. The reason for that is that their butter is largely supplied from Alberta; that is the butter which is brought in from the outside. Going in the opposite direction from Montreal. it is one cent higher in Halifax. When the table to which I refer was made up, Newfoundland was not one of us. I am sorry I am not able to give the figure for New- foundland.

Mr. Higgins: "What price does the minister believe it should sell at in Newfoundland?

Mr. Gardiner: "Well, whatever the profit margin is in the freight costs as between Halifax and the island of Newfoundland.

Mr. Illggiris: "lf the figure is ninety-five cetns would the Min- ister consider that high?

Mr. Gardiner: "Yes, i would say it is very high.’

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Mr. Stick: "Is the price of but- ler pegged in Canada. and what is that price? I ask this question be- cause l understand something was mentioned a moment ago about the price of butter in Newfound- land being ninety-five cents re- tail per pound. I know it was nine- ty-fiva cents before the union, but the wholesale price is now seven- ty-flve cents. I am asking this question because. if I am given the pegged price. I can figure out ex- actly what the price should be in Newfoundland, and find out if

Former P. E. Islander iiies in Florida

The death occurred at the Morell Hospital, Lakeland, of Mr. William J. MacKay. He was stricken with s heart attack on July 6. and died the following day in spite of all the tender care and nursing that he received.

Mr. McKay was born in Cllnlfiil. P.E.I. in 1&4 and was the son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Mac-Kay of Olinton. At an early age he moved to tihe United States. where he was associated with the lrl.J. Heins Co. in Portland Maine. During the First World War he served overseas with the Amer- ican Army. After the war he mov- ed to Florida and in i332 he be- came Secretary Treasurer of the Mulberry Lumber Company Inc. a position he held until his death. In 1933 he married Mazie Peddy daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. AJ. Peddy 0f Mulberry-

He was a. member of the first Hesbyterlan Church Lakeland. a past president of the Mulberry Kiwanis Olub. past master of Masonic Lodge in Bethel Maine. and i. member of the Egypt Tem- snd Tampa.

The funeral services held from the Dukes Stein Funeral Home on July 9th and were conducted by the Rev. L.G. Gebbs pastor of the First Presbyterian Church assist- ed by Rev. '12s. Boehm Pastor of the First Baptist Church. Lakelanpl Lodge No. 9i A.F. and A.M. conducted servicis in Oak Ridge Cemetery where interment took place. Pallbearers o'er-e; Dr. Henry Fuller Junior, Dl-l. Sloan Jr., All. Carver. Dr. CB. Weeks. W.I<I. Gabeler, III-I. Allsopp, Allan T. Cole. Jay C. Sirnlth, LN. Piplin, Sr. Marvin Walker, C.W. Pnlmore, and 0.1“. Howe.

There are left to mourn besides his sorrrowlng wife, two daughters. Ann Velda. and Maggie Jane two sisters. Velda (Mrs. David Finlay- son) and Sadie (Mrs. P.L. Jordan) both of Portland Maine; two broth- ers; Bert L. of Clinton. Prince Ed- ward Islarnd and Perry of Pitts- burgh Pa. '

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ged price, but there is a floor

price. Last spring we said that for a twelve month period we

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