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wdglnrllerzmnn RESOLVED that m“ Legiglgturg join With the iegislatures of the other Mari- time Provinces in urslne upon the Federal Government the neces- my er epeningnegotiations and continuing same with the Gov-- ernment of the United States of

a reciprocal trade treaty with that

America. with a view of obtaining ,

‘m. entry for our products info the natural markets to the south by a reciprocal trade B-Bfeemenl-

Mr. Leah Motion

In moving the original resolution

r. Lea said it opened up again the

bject of Reciprocity with the

‘ nited States. It has been admitted lhat the natural flow of tradeon this continent is north and south. rather than east and west. Previous to Confederation the Maritime Provinces enjoyed reciprocal trade with United States and were very much better off as a consequence. This was particularly true of Prince Edward Island. The Confederation Fathers could not forsee the diffi- culties that would arise by reason of tariff barriers between this country and the great Republic in the South. The long freight haul and the continuing increasing transportation rates have acted as a carrier against Maritime agricul- tural products in Central Canada. Iherefore we pave almost been de- prived of the markets we were sup- posed to enjoy under Confederation while at the same time we have lost our manufacturing industries which have gone to the large Cen- tral Provinces, who have been ben- efited at the expense of this sec- tion of Canada. Our natural mar- ket is therefore to the south, as evidenced by the United States f- ket for Prince Edward Island teed potatoes. The falling off in lira-t market recently was due to circumstances ovcr which we did not have control, but in spite of the duties that are against Mari- time products we would be badly off but for the United States. The speaker cited the con- tinued large U. S. market for cows. Formerly there was s. splendid mar- ket for milk and cheese. In that great market of 120,000,000 popula- tion there were many more oppor- tunities of disposing of surplus pro- ducts thm there is in Canada. - Now that the Democratic Party is in power in the United States. Mr. 1.0a submitted that the time was opportune to press for recipro- cal trade arrangements ‘ ‘ the two countries. There is now a gen- eral recognition by leading states- men that high tariffs have con- tributed to the present depression. The Federal Government has ev- _- tly forgotten tho Maritime lovinces, Mr. Lea continued. The Western Provinces have received bonuses but any request for better rates, etc., from this part of Can- ada is not given the slightest at- tention, he maintained.

Now was the time, he concluded. lo induce the Dominion Govern- ment to obtain for us our natural imrkot in the United States.

III. I. P. McIntyre

‘Ihe importance of obtaining ac- cess into every market that can bc Opened up was urged by Mr,_Mc- [Myra in seconding the resolution. lie referred to the conferences lending up to Confederation and to llle inducements held out to the Maritime Provinces at that time, of "My markets for our fish and ag- ricultural products, our lumber and W! coal.

These products, Mr. McIntyre

, v iinued, failed to find the prom- markets in Central Canada _ the result was the loss of the 3M Ellllllld market which we had lcrlflced by entering Confedera- He referred to the Reciprocity of fen. The defeat of Reci- ,1! meant the loss of the great. 1 Wmrtunlty we had had in i ~ tions. 0a the resolution before the ~ there should be no differ- cf opinion. Political motives, llamtm urged, should not m- e. .

_ Movss AMINDMIN’! ma. o. Shelton sharp

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the United States,

seconded bY-MT- Mantm‘ I

» change situation.

at the bcsrnning of this article.

The members on this side of the House, he said, are certainly in fa. vor of any measure in the interests of the farmers and fishermen. A 8N“ d"! l!" llflady been dons at Ottawa last year in the trade agree. ments negotiated between oenede 5nd "h" EmPlre countries. With thapegotiations of those ‘agree. meats, $1110 immediately began w flow, but Canadian producers were hlldiflvlcd 1n the early months of the agreement by reason of the ex- During the last few day! stabilization‘ fund has been Prov ded by the Federal Gov- ernment whereby the pound value 15 Il-Iblllled at $4.00 on a list of farm and fisheries commodities. me actual value of the pound sterling is now $4.11 or $4.12 and the differ-

. ence will be the amount we will re-

ceive in addition to present prices in the British market. The Federal Government has thus indicated its inforcst in the farmers and fisher- "! ind ll ll Prepared to go a long way to assist them in obtaining markets.

A Brest deal had been said by op- position rnembere in the Budget do. ._bate about the sugar tax. They did not realize. said w. Sharp, that if this tax goes towards exchange value of the pound sterling, it will be very well expended.

We can rest assured that from 5°" °l1 011-1‘ Pwduols will continue to find an increasing market in the old land.

Tho increase in canned lobster as a result of the Bennett Govern- ment stabilization measure was cit- ed. It meant receiving $13.35, where formerly the packer received $12.00

‘and that should be very pleasing

to the hon. members from Morell and St. Peters.

Mr. Sharp did not wish to thresn old straw of ‘the Reciprocity ques tion. He instanced, however, the "lfl-Qlflhg up" process followed b) successive U. S. administrations against" ' Canadian products." The failure of the King Government to prevent the exploitation of the home market by American products was reviewed. This failure resulted in the Hawley Smoot tariff which was practically prohibitive, with the re- suit that United States sold us $400,000,000 more than we sold to them per year, under the latter yea-rs of the King Administration. Mr. Dunning realized that fact in 1030 when he introduced counter- vailing duties. The trouble was that Canada did not have much tariff to lower while theirs was high.

m Bennett Government estab- lished a policy of dealing “man to man" with Washington. The result was that in-the next two years the tariff was stiffened and U. S. trade with Canada dropped some $250,- 000,000. Immedia‘ ‘ a change of heart wok place in United States industries. Canada was the second largest market United States had and they looked for ways and means to regainthat market. To do so she had to make certain concessions and today we have reported negotiations for s. leapproachment of recip- rocal trade. The result is there is a grand opportunity. They are

‘knocking at the door asking that

trade relations be established with us and we are prepared to establish it on fair and equitable terms. We do not want to make any hurried agreement. The arrangement must be over a term of years and we must also see that any arrange- ments made do not conflict with Empire trade agreements. In mov- ing the amendment he was express- ing exlwtly the viewpoint expressed by Premier Bennett and agreed to by the Conservative leaders through- out ths length and breadth of Can- ada, Mr. Sharp said amid loud sp- plause from the Conservative ben- ches.

Hon. Mr. MacKenzfe

In rising to second the amend- ment Hon. Mr. ITacKenzie said he would feel like supporting ‘the resolution if he thought tho 0p- positlcn were sincere. But it appeared to be a pct hobby cf Ilib- erals to preach free trade in Op- position and practise P fcction when in power. The good U. S. markets of 1861-65 he had heard on good authority were due to the Civil war in the u. s.

The Liberals were in power with s. strong majority in 1911 and could have _put through reciprocity if they wanted w. he sold. when they were returned to power in later years they had associated with then the Ploifvesslve party Why did they not seek reciprocity then? Mr. King admitted lzowever that his tariff policy was only a chart, on which to get into power.

Mk. IlacKenzie believed that the stdbllixation fund will enable u: now to reap great benefits from the treaties negotiated at the Imperial mcnomic conference. and for that reason he had plum" 1h seccliding the amendment now before the House.

ll!‘- LePlfl

for the good of the country. The British market was “ s. fair mar- ket" but our marketing opportun- ities were in the United States, There was, he insisted, really no "home market" for our agricult- ural products. He reviewed the 191i reciprocity campaign which he said was turned down by the big 68p- italists. Ho commended the prog- perous times under the King Gov. ernment. It was doubtful whether tho stabilization fund would affect lobsters this season, he said. The British price may go down on these commodities. In any case we must take out of one pocket what we out into the other when we stabil- ize ihe value of the ptmnd eteg- ling. He referred to the Cuban market, maintining that the Con- servatives had lost this market by Putting a. tariff on sugar against which the Cubans retaliated by shutting out our potatoes. If we are lo get back to prosperity we have got to forget tariffs. He invelghed

ionaires who were ruining Can- ada." He criticised the amendment because “it was just giving a little pap to the Dominion Government."

Mr. T. A. Campbell

Mr. T. A. Campbell commended the statesmanship shown by the mover of the mnendment. It was “just a little sugar coating in or- der to make the pill more palat- able at Ottawa." He did not object to this "as long as the sugar coat- ing was not too thick." It was not the purpose of the resolution to interfere with'any benefits that have been obtained as a result of the Imperial Conference at Otta- wa. That was a very pertinent amendment. "We have no criticism of the -effort of the Dominion in negotiating agreements," he said. "Our only objection is that it has not gone far enough."

As to the stabilization provision

he was doubtful if this was in har- mony with the provisions of the Empire Trade agreements. 1t' was doubtful if it was not in reality“ a violation of the spirit of the agreements. It was "Just a little bit underhsnd for us to take advant- age-of the Mother land in that way." Australia had started to peg their currency and he understood the Conservative Government in Canada. gave that as a reason for abrogating their treaty with that country. - Ilngland, he said, may see some means of overcoming the stabiliza- tion measure._l~le had an ideaof what Messrs. Bennett and Rhodes would do if someone tried to work "that trick” on the Canadian ex- change. Manufacturers of different classes of articles in the United states had attempted to do that. Manufacturers of potato bags had offered to accept the dollar at par for their bags and Mr. Bennett had prevented them by a dumping duty He did not think the British Gov- ernment would sit idly by, but would make some counteracting provision. Ho was glad to hear that Conservatives were now pre- pared to trade "on a fair and equitable basis”, but he had his doubts in view of some of the statements of the seconder. The Minister of Public Works was “the most advanced thinker" on‘ the other side of the House but m. Campbell believed he was not voicing the real Conservative atti- tude.

Mr. Les. on Amendment

Mr. Lea said the arguments ad- vanced in favor of the stabiliza- tion fund mean that we are to pay for the advantages of trading with Great ,Britain by taking money out of one pocket to put it Into the other.

m. sharp; “Didn’t you suggest | the same course by inflation?"

Mr. Lea said no, that inflation would decrease the value of the dollar and increase the value of all commodities. The money lend- ers would lose but the producers would gain.

The conservatives were "blind except to one aspect of the trade question." "You cannot legislate trade east and west that nature intended to flow north andsouth," he sad Conservatives, he charged, “think they can promotcvprosperit)‘ by making necessities dearer." He commended the Canadian-U. S. trade situation under the Kind Government. '

Hon. Dr. MacMillan: "W71? dld they adopt countervailing duties?"

Mr. Lea: "Countervailing duties were not adopted. The p009" "W! it down." -

Hon. Dr. MacMillan: "W11? Vi! it proposedjn the Dunning Bud- get?"

Mr. Lea: "I will come to that later on.“

M“ Lee discussed the New Zea- land bitter issue in the last Ped- ml election clmllllflh

He maintained there was no

Mr. B. W. iePaze said be re- seated any question as to the sin-l

reason for the present amendment: no" reason fcr thenkin! "I9 3m",

against "the capitalists and mill--

THE CHARLOTTETOWN GUARDIAN _

Qpposition Threshes Old Political Straw In Supply Committee

Technical School And Other Defunct Issues Raised By' Liberal Members —— Government Speakers Refute “Extravagance” Charges By Citing

, Expenditures Under Lea Administration.

Provincial legislature, March 29. Evening session.

The House in committee on the Estimate, (Administration of Jus- tice Department) with Mt. Strong in the chair.

The question of corners’ inquest costs was dismissed. It was noted that the cost of this item was high last year and that the estimates are high in comparison with the costs fen years ago. The item, how- ever, represan‘ ‘ an uncontrol- lable expenditure.

Mr. LePage referred to the stand taken by the Liberal Government on Prohibition. They could not, he said, be accused of insincerity. He had no objection to putting on more men to assist in prohibition enforcement. There was consider- able drinking going on. He would give the Government credit for bringing in Prohibition law amend- ments, in which they had the sup- port of the Opposition. There was a constable in Rusticc in charge of enforcing the. law who had not been known as a prohibition man and had never been seen at a pro- hibition meeting. If this man was getting a salary he should be dis- charged, as he was not doing his work pmperlyl. Mr. DePs-ge there was a great deal of smuggling going on there last season. Men of approved prohibition sentiments should be engaged, notably Mr. Haywood, Mr. Miller and Mr. Bar- bour.

Hon. Dr. Macll/LIILAN: "Does the appointment lie in the hands of this Government?"

Mr. DePAGE: “I understand you were consideringputting on some men." _

Hon. Dr. MscMHLAN: “Through the proper channel, the Mounted Police."

Mr. LePAGE: "I thlnk- the Mounted Police will take your sug- gestion."

Hon. Dr. MMMHL-ANI “We have already recommended Mr. Bar- bour." .

Mr. IePAGE: "Did you recom- mend the other men?"

Hon. Dr._.MacM1Ll’..AN: “I can- not say about the other men but we recommended Mr. George Bar- bcur."

Mr. T. A. Campbell maintained that if all the expenditures in this department were added up the estimates would be considerably larger than is shovm. He reviewed the steps leading up to the amal- gamation of the Provincial Police Force. The then Opposition, he said, had severely criticised the change. Under the present admin- istration the force had been divid- ed and more expense was incurred. Later the Government saw the error of its way. Shortly after they had disrupted, the force and in- creased its strength by 50 percent, they entered into an agreement for the amalgamation of the whole thing with the Federal Govern- meat.

l-lon. Dr. MacMIIl-AN: that 800d Business?"

Mr. Campbell admitted it, was good business but said it was dir- ectly opposed to the Government's attitude when in Opposition. Hcl would not attempt to criticize the R.C.M.P. omcers as political heel- ers because it would not be true. Neither was such criticism true of- tho Provincial Police force under Liberal rule, he maintained. The people of the Province were paying more than $15,000 towards RCMP. maintenance by reason of the fact that they pay taxes to the Federal Government for the upkeep of the R.C.M.P. in Canada.

Mr. Campbell compared st some length. the cost of the RCMP. force in Nova Scotia with this Pro- vince. The Government's hand had been forced ‘in bringing the RCMP. bore. he maintained.

Hon. Dr. MacMILLAN: "The Government was not forced into it. Quebec hasn’t got the 5.0.10.1’. yet."

' Mr. CAMPBELL: "That is true; and I think it is a mistake on Quebedlpsrt,"

Mr- Campbell estimated that by lddlngthe federal taxes paid for RCMP. enforcement in Canada it VMM be foumi that Justice admin- ietration was costing us at least

"Isn't

Prccity issue they would support it. The Amendment was then” put

cerity of tho Leader of the Oppo- nett Government. But to show the to a vote and was carried unani-

Ir. Sharp then to sition. we should not our politics qmeltlcnv sincerity on the Bld-

as much as under Liberal rule.

Hon. Mr. SHARP: “Had we never taken over the mounted police, how. could we escape paying our proportionate share of the charges the Dominion of Canada pays?"

Mr. CAMPBELL: "We couldn't escape. That is why I say you were forced into it. I think it was a good step, but there was some bungling."

Mr. Campbell said he had not got a satisfactory answer in‘ regard to

~ the number of raids in Summerside

since January. He had been accus- ed of stating misinformation but he could say that since, the 1st of January there had not been a single Prohibition case brought be- fore the Stipendiary Magistrate oi’ Prince County. The Government was beginning to realize that Pro- hlbition enforcement was a very dlflicult thing to handle.

He instanoed rumor of a cargo of liquor having been safely land-

ed despite the vigilance of the RCMP. Hon. Dr. MacMILLAN: "You

don't know that: you are just re- peating gossip?‘

Mr. Campbell maintained that the late Liberal Government had been active and vigilant in enforc- ing the law.

Hon. Dr. MaoliflILAN: about this Government?"

"If you go into Prince County in the last few months I don't think You would say. that conditions are very good," Mr. Campbell retorted ‘This was the report that cne heard very frequently. -

Voice: “More gossip."

Mr. Campbell cited prohibition convictions in Summerside. There had been 14 men convicted in the last three months. He maintained that “as before" the bootlegger is always one move ahead in the game. The bootlegger has met the shortage of money “by going off the gold standard." “He not only barters his mrcs but he goes around soliciting orders under the very eyes of the Mounted Police." Mr. Campbell maintained that while the estimates for the Depart- ment of Justice showed a saving, something should be done to re- duce them further in this Depart- ment. A

Mr. Lea insisted again, on reduction of salaries. He moved the same percentage of salary re- duction as in the estimates on education.

Hon. Dr. Maclvfillan‘ replied to the inferred criticism of the pro- hibition law enforcement under the R. C. M‘. P. In the seven months of 1R. C. M. P. enforcement last year there were 380 searches in Charlottetown and B5 in Sunrmer- side. During the first of this year they made in Summerside eighteen searches in January, fifteen in February. and nearly as many in March.

Mr. Campbell: “That is not many It was the practise of our Provin- cial Police to raid every speakeasy about thirteen times a week."

Hon. Dr. Maol/fillan: "Take the whole record. During 1931 the Provincial Police had 143 convic- tions for prohibition offences to their credit. During the seven months that the R. C. M‘. P. have been in this Province they have 109 convictions to their credit. 169 in seven months as against 143 for tho year under the late Pro- vinclal Police Force. Probably that is the best answer I can give as to the efficiency of the present ad- ministration."

Hon. Mr. McPhec pointed out that the Mounted Police also on- force the customs Act. "When you couvpare the number of our per- Ilmllel with the nuoniser of tho old Provincial Police force, in order to get any parallel your must add nine or ten officials that‘ used to be in the customs preventive ser- vice, to tlie Provincial Police force."