LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Sarerpar Arrensoon, April 12.

Son. Mr. PALMER. en vicler to mere O aie would have been beneficial to the conntry; but| has been sifted so often, and F ‘ a . wit, } wt wy ie orde .

of the day fer the seeond reading of the Bi to eon firm the Award of the Commissioners on the Lan Question es L- few wa Bill of wre alle portance to the Colony. ft is that measure which propowes to con

tiem the Award of the Land Con nigsiqghers, which | hus Seon before the publie tor some weeks rhe) BM is formed on very «i uple prime iples It iacon fined exactly to the Award as it is given, and pro Vides ti jnat ae i was intended; to operate by the very able Coun.issioners whe made iu One partof that Award, us ia well known to} your Henors; and it may be termed a most material | part, where the price af land cannot be mutually | axreed upon, is considered rather imperfect tn its | constituent pr inmmamuch as it does not pro vide for the Appointment of a third arbitrator, inthe event of the other twe not agreein It iste Le iameuted a good deal that that prineipie had not heen carried eat in some more definite manner by the Award. Whether it was owing to an oversight, or WA Practionl ditlieulty, | am at a loss te sav ; but thre ft ix, ‘And the country wmst deal with it as it ! New, it may be the opinion of many

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remedy ix in our own bands, and we might as well | proces d to devine some means to obviate the apport ment Wf the third arbitrater. Jt is verv true that

mieht be dene; bat I think jt wan great impoliey te atte: i in the Bill now before ue: this eons dered legishetiig Upem the

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no compylsery means for the appointmentoft an Um pire, in the event of the twe arbitrators not Agree fiw, avd it is fox that reason that legislation ie called

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ja consequence of the ll te confirm it not receiving the Roval sanction, is a very inoperative docament, if people chase to say we will not eam. | ply with 4 Sat Ht we gitempt to lay dewu any

plan, in thie Bill, to dispense with the appointment

of an Umpire, it would put it inte the moutha of | those Who are disposed to be eaptious, to say, the | Levislature bas gone further than was intended by

the Award—it wonld panish them with areaments. | l suv, to reject the whole Award. It is therefore eefest fur us, and all whe wish to see the Award eonfirmed, to confine ourselves to the confirmation | of it in ite pure terms, thouzh it is not all we could | wis. gPhen we have the peeprictors who signed the reference bowud to abide by the degjsion of the Commissioners, as well as Her Majesty's Govern ment pladwed to confirm this Act. But if we vo be youd thisand aijempt to supply those defeets which we é jn the Awan!l, and which we lament, it will emdlanwes the Dill the great chance of ob{ajning the bevetitas of the Award is by keeping within that bond of faith whic! existe between the Proprictors, the Imperial fo Verniment and the local Gevernmment, and ru. te averstep that we which wenld give either of the two first named oreasion to say, you hav, broken faith with us, and thegefore we are at lib opty to vive our dissent to the Award. Since the present Bill has been prepared with that obje « in view, and having eentined onrselves te the Lonfirmation of the Award in simple tera, we wy fouk forward with confidence that the Imperini Govermment will not refuse their <anction to this Bill, We will then have evercome the great obstacles to the settle went of shies long agitated quesyon ; and thongh the Witl thay not be perfeet, yet ic the Royal assent is eiven to this Kill, they wilt have sanetioned the princéple of the Awy mlvr DIL go home showing that the Award is in golus Pespects defective, aud enacting such snpple- mentary messes as will render it complete, we will have gor groands to hope that it too will re cvive the royal allowance. By wradan] ievialation én this Way the measure may be rendered perfpet And in order to vive the country the adyattayes of the Award, wits as little delay as ible, the Ko- vernment bas framed another Bill to prescribe how the arbitcation clunse shall be earried out. That Dill ie now before tie other branch of the Levisla- ture, and I hope it will meet the approbation both of that House and this, And jf Jler Majesty's Go vernment considers that we have gone too far in that Bil’, and deeme it proper to reject it, they may do 30, ard yet leave the principles of the Award in- tact. Is will then be in the power of the local Go- vernmer t to devise sume other means leas objeetion- able in tie eyes of the Home Government. It is useless for as te attempt toenforce any Bill contrary to those great constitutional principles and rights of property as acknowled Img W ithin bounds, sad gueg on by gradual

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we will be fur more likely & vain our object than ! by civing way to feelings outside, and allowing | ourselves to be forced inte a Bill which would be-|

denoanced as highly ehjectionable by the Colonial Minister. I therefore hope your honors will concar with a larue majority of the House of Assembly in

of the Legishsture with a large majority wid go home with # strong reeommendazon? and will doubtless also be accompanied with a strong recommendation | of His Excellency the Lieutenant Governor; we

may then confidently expect that it wHl obtain the

sanction of Her Majesty's Government. By this! Bill we will obtain the great prin iple, and by the) Other we may be able to add to it, and to supply | that is lacking for the fair and honest working of the 4svard.

Haen.the PRESIDENT—I think there can he! but one opinion with regard to this Bill, and it is, | zat the contimaation of the Award shonld take | Place, for otherwise it wonld he a complete breach of faith, The confirmation of the Award should | dake place, because the Mill pussed in the twenty-| thi war of Her Majesty's reign to confirm the Award, was manimously adopted by this House ; and by the second clause of that Bill it is enacted that she Award shull be tinal and conclusive ; there- | fore, to refuse to pass this Bill would be a breach | ef faith, Under these cireumstances I will! support the second reading of the Bill. But i may give my | opinion with regurd to the Award. I do not think it can, by any possibility, come np toe the expecta- | tions of the tenantry, though I believe the Cousuis- | sioners have deve what they conceived to be justice. Now, I believe the proprietors are not satisfied and ido net know why, for the Award gives them! more than they could ever have expected. It con-} firms their titles. I may be wold that their titk =) were confirmed before—that they were legal. But if a man went into a Court of Law, and the slight- | est flaw were foundin his title, he wonld be turned vot and mon-aaited. Bat their tithes are eonfirmed now, and av question respecting theie validity ean @nee hereytier; therefore, 1 think the proprietors | shonid be wedi sutistied with the character of the! Award. Then, agaia, they shoald be «xtisfied be. | cause it renounces all claim to dhe arrears of Quit | Rents. J may be told that this question was sesdded | iu 1532; bat | would just ask your honors to shaw | ine a despateh giving up the arrears of Quit Rents} te the proprietors? J never saw it. Tam not going} éo enter inte the amount of those Quit Rents at! present; Ihave heard that £200,000 are still due, | aud as they have never been given up by any Act} of the loeal Legisiature, or by any despatch from the Celeviz! Oilice, and as the AWard. if contiemed, | will pet ae eud for ever to that question, | think | ihe proprieters shoald be well sutistied. Thea tle next thing whieh is given up, and which seems} Tuost cctravnlinary,is the Fishery Reserves. 1 may | be told that these reserves are useless, and tht jt wus an onfair reservation; but with that we have nothing todo. The right to the soil was invested in the Crown in some cases, and in the proprietors in others; bat they areall swept away, therefore , f think the preprictors eannet complain on that ground, There ta yet another elain which isgiven ap tothe proprietors, and which is very singular ; it ia the chimes of the Loyalists. They have been referred w the local Government. Therefore, | cannot see that the proprietors have any cause tw! comphiin when the loyuliets have been shifted fron | off their shoulders. Another thing that strikes me | as very singular ia the high price put upon jand. Now, lask your honers if you do net consider 20

eum parchase too high a price for land ou this} Faint weler ordiuary circumstances ; though some furtos, having a mill stream or being near a market, or possessing some other lacal advantage, way be worth that much? 20 years’ purehase, under ordi vary eirommstances, is surely two high. Well, that; is the price fixed by the Award. It is true, there a a sngvestion abont an arldtration: Gut thas canaots be depended apon. Therefore, the Award gives! everything t the proprietors: that they asked for, | and ~earcely anything to the tenanta. Y new come toe tie arreara of rent. Ibave been a resident ot this “dand for 24 years, and [ believe that where. | ever there Was & tenant who wus able to pay one shibing rent, that shilligg has beeu exacted from fii. A believe that all the arrears which have ac- comnlated prior to 1558, ure only simple bad debts ; therefore, it is very little injury to the proprietors. Lo come Townships some may he collected, bat I hase heard so much about distraints tor rent since iw commencement of the Land Commission, that I earmnot help coming to the conelusion that eve selvjling that ean be recovened has been collected. New, what are the benefits conferred apon the ten- autry { PT bave read and exeanéned the Award care tully, aud & appears to me that the benefits which will reoute from it ave comparatively iasignificant. There are two suggestions made by the Commis- sioners which, if they coald be carried out, might he some beneut. First, the purchase of the lands, aud secouuly, the arbitration scheme. But jydying fram the tenor of His Grace’s despatch there ie very little bepe of either the one or the other being ear- ried out, fet com@ermiag the first be says, ‘1 teur J exanot beld ont any hope that Her Najest y's Ge- vermment will vagrantee the loan ;"’ and cungermang | the second ke a yd tuvre are insuperable oljections to it.’ I would be glad tuat this question were settled on fair and eqnitable principles. I did hope that ue Commissioners would have fixed the price of the laud at a muderate rate, and given the ten- ents the liberty of purchasing their farms and pay- | ing tur tiem in easy auuual instalmeuts.and by this | meaus that this question, Which has Leen the bane | of the Colony, would be settled. 1 heped to see the | day when every tenant wanld Lecome a freeholder ; | bat my hopes of that desirable object being consuu- j juated by the Land Cuigmission, ure yous. 1 eun- not help agreeing with the Land Commissioners when they way that the British Government did a positive injusiies to this ddaad when they granted | away the lads to absentee proprietors; and if they were grant a sdiumof money to redeem them, “| would be uvuing more than a dhaple act of justiee.4 I think, however, that we are bogad te coudrm the Award. We are boand by the Act which wa pre- viously d te do so, thongh J eagnot see what benefit is to result from it. With these observations J shal! support the motion for the secoud teudiug of the Bill.

low. Dr. JOULNSON —1 iLink that in the cireym- atances of the easy itis our duty to ean fiprs the Award; but I canuet see that we are bumud wo do

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Mon..the PRESIDENT—If his hop or wi! read the Act passed in 1560, be will see that we are bound to coutirn, it.

Hon. Dr. JOUNSON—Ie appeara to me that in the beginning the Coannission was established. ona wrong foundstion, It makes it appenr as if all the trvuble were between the Proprietors and the ten- Ants; but ikappaar to me cat che diiference Was between the Crowy and ghis Goverment. ‘11 he peoyle are suileriny, byt what was the cause? MM

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passing this bill.” And ic having passed both branches | beter than thyt, and the

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Parties Who have not fulfilled the conditions of their grants; one of which conditions wre that they were to settle the lund inthe preportion of one per eon te every 200 neres. Hf that had been done it

they have not fulfilled their conditions in any way, |

j | ane they have been forgiven again and again. | doubts about it

They were to pay quit rent; bat they have not

done so. Now, 1 think the Crown should appeal |

to those parties to fulfil those engagements I

Hlon. the PRESLIDENT—L do not see any use jn) tathing about that now

Hon. Dr. JOHNSON—It Appears to me that it should be between the Crown and the loeal Go vernment. ‘The tenants should have nothing to do with it. The proprietors have been put all right by the Award; bat the tenants will receive very little benetit. Tlad the Commissioners fixed a fair price for the land it would be all very well; but to! Ws. an

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i encouragement to @ man te purchase his iar, for | factory ht meanber as has ever been proposed.

he would be no better off at the end of 20 vears, | beeause the interest of the purchase meney would pay the rent. If the arbitration ¢lanse can be! worked it may do very well, bat it would be better! le huve uM fixed rice i

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Tion. the PRESIDENT —I do not think go. lion. Mr. PALMER— Well as regards the arrears of quit rents. It is a work of supererogation to ft- tempt to give reason npoy that som } hat subject er Majesty's Minis- ters have given it up, so that it is useless to mise His honor says be er as despatch giving up those qnit rents, but woul refer bim to the despateh of the 19th Mareh, L838. The subject was referred to the — ; omission eps of Her Majesty's ‘Treasury, and their answer will be found in their lettepaf the L0ph Maret i838, All arrears are remitted up to 1833. There is a

therefore, it was useless for the Commissioners to xO inte that. Lplways look upon it as a second willo’-the-wisp, for they were remitted ap to the time when the Land Tax Act came into operation With respect to the fishery reserves | shall say very little. Tthink that question is settled in as satis

of Government ! and,to render this emphatie truth more obvious to his illiterate hearers, have re- course to the expedient of waving a yellow hand- kerchief? And yet, the Hon, Mr. Haviland, who styles himself a * constitutional lawyer,” js re- ported to have yttered at the meeting at Monta- gue Bridge nonsense like this, and to haye acted in the ridiculous manner aboye deseribed, It is needless to comment upon the part whieh the immaculate W. H. Pope and others of the Go- vernment acted at that meeting. further than to say that it was in accordance with the doctrine of the Hon. Mr. Haviland. The Colonial Seere- tary may assure us that there can —_ be a Pro- testant and a Caitholie party:in this sland; but the intelligeace coming from him, is treated with derision and contempt from one end of the Island to the other. It appears that the unequivocal

It is a question of a local nature, in which not many of the inhabitants are concerned. LT have never heard of a fishery being stopped for the want of land to dry fish upon. There are always persons willing to give up a piece of laud for that purpose. And uf

voice of the people, expressed at the hustings, is | required to convince this self-constituted monitor {that he has quite mistaken his mission, and that his labours as a pablic servant can be very well idispensed with. In view of the non-fulfilment of

ton. Me. SIMPSON —T am glad to hear the last} the tenant get that valuable part of his farm on the | the promises given te the people as to retrench-

speaker but one say that he would like to see the | same terms as the other mart, L do not think he has | ment, &e., &e., } tand question settled; but if we reject the Award} mach to complain of. Then, with regard to the 20

do not know how we are going to effect that ob- | ject. True, the conditions of the eriginal grants |

years’ purchase being too high a price for the lind f there were no other provision made there would

| have pot been fullilled; bat it would be unjust, af; be something to answer here; but we know that hi be an act of the present lapse of time, to deprive the present | claus. does not finally settle the price at 20 years a that Giewe } oeeupants of their lind on that gecount,for there are } PU. chase,

It is put in for the benefit of the ten

very tew of the heirs et the orginal grantees now | tats more than for the proprietors. The arbitra

holding land in this Oalony

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en taxed since INt3, and was not that an ackue y ledgment of the proprieters’ claims? The next question his honor alindest to was the Quit Rents. ow, [think it wag his duty to have exar jned and seen, when he was Attorney General) whether those Qutt Rents were due ta the Col my or not.

Hon. the PRESIDENT- -They w 7 the Laud Tux Act

llon, Me. SIMVSON—L refer wo the arrears of Quit Kents, If there were £° 3,000 due it was the daty of his honer to look af ev this debt; and if it were not expedient to do in Ip, surely it is not in 1862. But to the ber. of my judgment it wasthe Government that they in IS, when the Land Pax Therefore, t think that qnestion

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may be set aside . pression of op Aon in the ce s of State wh h accompanied the A ward, when he ‘tas able and painstaking ? Can the | Colonia) _ginister say one ovine to-day and avother ) to-Or ow? ‘True, a former Colonial Minister ex

| prer” od his w illingness to necede to p Joan of £100, Therefore, 1 look tepen it, that }O'. whenho waa induced to believe that the Re

nue of the Colony was in a position to warrant j the loan ; but afterwards withheid it when be dis covered his mistake. The next resource was the | Fishery Reserves, and that went dewn very well tor a time, for the tenantry were jnduced to believe | that they would be given up to them; but more | than half ef those reserves are in the hands of irecholders and the Conmissionevs award that they | shall be retained by the persons who Acenpy them. | 1 think every person will be pleased with the way i they are settled. I will not occupy the time of | your honors by reverting to Escheat, which has | been pronounced a * wilke’-the-wisp.” lis honor, j the Presjdent, says that every shilling of rent has | been pajd that eqn be cojlected ; but really if it is ithe case, has the promietar ne right in the goil? | What can be more binding than a leune ?

Hon. the PRESIDENT— It must be floating in | his honer’s mia! that I have been advocating Es- | cheat, byt [ never was an advocate for that eXtreme } measure.

| Hon. Mr. SIMPSON—His honor expressed a

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|had ne hope of it being settled by the Award. | Well, [ wonder what other sebeme his honor is going to adopt, L have heard a great many ob- Jeetions urged against the Award, but T have not ) yet heard any other scheme propounded. (Ion. Mr. Palmer, hear.) I did bape thai this question | would be settled by the Award, and though it is | not as perfect as T could wish, yet to take it on the whole it is the best scheme yeb propounded that I have heard of. His honoy says that the remission of arrears of rent is no beneljt to the tenantry, as | every shijling that gan be eo}lected has leen paid ; t { differ from bis honor, reside I beligye

for on the Lot ou whieh that there are at least £10,000 (Hon. Mr. Palmer, hear.) J appeal to his Mr. Porgan, who was formerty agent for the correct.

' Hon. Mr. FORG AN-—Yes, it is eprrect.

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poor, if ia irne, but their land is liable fer the rent. £1 10s. sterling an acre was the lowest the propri- etor would take fer the fee simple of those farms ; net your depreciated sterling either, and that re- mitted to Lomion. Now, the 20 years’ purchase is ! Award says that the pro- pretors shall sell for twenty years’ purchase, and sllow a discount of 10 per ecent.,?f the money is aid down. I wonkl take that if I goukl gei po iter terns, though it is too much. j that 15 years’ purchase is as much as it is worth. Che Counissjoners say it is not worth it, and inone part of the Award assume that it is only worth ~s. 6d. an acre. There gppear to be greet fears en- arbitrations, bat I think it wilt depend very much on the parties themselves. As for the Multiplicity of arbitrations, 1 do not think that will oceur, for the value of land on a Township will be fixed by two or three arbitrations. iunpossible for the Commissioners to examine fix the price of the land years to do so. Therefore, they means; they sent au accredited ive

amine the fand, and I am sorry that we have not ! purchase is certainly |

his report before us. 20 years’ too high, but the arbitration clause will provide the | remedy, and when we have passed this Bilt, we | will have doue our duty to ourselves and our | country.

Hou. Mr. DINGWELL—I would like to sec thia

nestion settled, aad I dix by the Award, bat my hopesare gone. I agree with | the Colonial Miuister that the Report is very al aul painstaking, so much se that we should have | some hesitation in rejecting it; but the Report and | the Award are two different things. I believe the! Duke of Newcastle is a man of discernment, and | will be led, by the Report, to see that there has been | an injustice dove to this Colony. Where ix there another Colony which is enlled upon to pay its own | Civil List when the Whole of the lands are m the | hands of the proprietors! I have more contidence in the Colonial Minister than te stippose Claut he will |

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ibis Colony as that Award. We know that 20 years’ purchase Is too high a price for the land, and the! proprietors know it too; none of them would ask | more than that. As for the arbitration clause, I} have ne confidence in it; and, in my opinion, the | Comminsoners have ullerly failed in devising any | practical plan for the settlement ef the question. 1 do not know but we are premature iu legislating | upon the Award atall. I would be williag any measure for the good of the eountry,

tO pains | bat Dean.) 3 I am from the | country, and [know the niinds of the pe ople on this | matter: they say the Commission is a total failure 3] even the supporters of the Government say so. His honor who has just sat down spoke about the Fishery Reserves. Me thought both parties would be enti. | fied with the way that question is settled by the | Award; but there is a third party whieh will not | lee watiotied, Mat is the fishermen. J believe this! in course of tin, | ation more to fishing: Lut the Re | we taken from the fishermen and given to tlie poupesten. The fishermen are poor aud few in number; bat I do not care how peor or few in number, their rights should be respected.

Hon. Me. SIMPSON—Who are the lishermen ?

Ifon. Mr. DINGWELL—Any man who yoex to! sea and catches fish for the support of his fatuily is| a tisherman. 2

Hon. Mr. SIMPSON—I presume his honer lives in a fishing Port

Ion. Mr. DING WELL— live where there is not so mach rent due.

Hon. Mr. HUTCHINSON —T have read the Award over and over again, und though @ do not pretend to be us competent to judye of its merits as farmers and others whe are wore deeply interested in it, yet [ must aay that I cannot see that it will be any advantage to the country. There may possibly be a few of the tenants who will beable to purchase their farms af the high figure named in the Award, but the grea majority of them will not; many of them are largely im arrears, and no doubt steps have been taken to secure the whole of the back rent. A mau asked me the other day what was the reason the land agent Was 80 unxious to have the rent all seated ap! LE went to seo the agent, said be, and told him that f had uo money to pay him. He said he would lend me some, and take security on the leasehold aguin. Now, that appeared very stranye ; but that is the way they take to secure the rent: and [ believe the gnomes of i6 is secured in some wayorother. Many of the tenants cannot pay their accruing revi, and ew ean they pay the back rent and 20s. aut were for the fee simple of their farms. It is far better for them to keep on as they are. | realiy think if the matter had been lef: alone, the

ple would be better off, for they would not have on distressed so much, and the proprietors would have taken anything they could give them. It hus been since this extreme agitation was got up that the tenants have been so much distressed; and in- stead of this measure going to cure it, it ie only

ing to make matters worse. A great dea) has on said about the Commissioners. Now, { think they must have asked the proprictors how much they would take for their land. It has been some-

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j tions cannot go higher than 20 years’ purchase. j Lknow that some landlords have refused 30g. an jacre; and some have got 40s. or O0s. an were. And j the arbitrators will also be bound by it; they muy | #0 as low as they like but net higher than 20 years’ | purchase. Therefore that clause is for the benefit of the tenants, His honor, Mc. Dingwel}, says we are premature in legislutuig upon thjs Award, and I do not deny but thpre is somp foundation for that opinion. T have some slight misgivings that we may be told so by the Golonigl Minister, but Unat j does not deter me from going on and passiug this | Bill. There is ae other alternative for us, and we } ean do the tenants nohapm by jt, We pass the Aet in good faith. Lf we do not this, what else can we }dot Are we to sit down in despair, and let the | Award go to the winds? Not i would be sorry to

e : : ltr j justice be said that W. H. Po What can we say after the ex-| do so; for though bis honor may think we jye pre i truth vad tle if P " i tan sand Dain patch of the Seeretary | mature in legislating upon it, yet that should not | care very little if Protestants ane ,

deter us from passing this Bill” L remember when the fermer Bill to contirm the Award was iatro duced, t expressed m ‘ premature; but still done all L eould to get it passed. His honor, Mr. Dingwell, also says that 1@ knows the minds of the people in his part of the country, and that they pronounce the Award a tailuve. Tt may be the misfortune of those people not fo gome within the pale of the Award; but to others who do, is it to be denied on that account? j lt is surely & great advantaye to others to have | their arrears of rent swept olf, and if they never parchase their farms, they may pay their £5 a year and bid defiance to the fandlord.” His honor, Mr. Hutchinson, says that some of the proprietors or agents have tried to tury the rents into sonie other kind of debts; bat should that deter us from passing this Bik? Such have been the arguments of hon. members ; but if they intend to vote against this Bill Lthink jf would be fur better they had not given their reasons fordoing so. Now, those three bon. members stund up as the representatives, | suppose, of (hat beady, who are supposed to be op- posed io the Award; your position, therefore, re anders it jncumbrent npou you to yo forward and stute what other remedy you propose. ’ ee Mr. HUTCHINSON —The guarantee for the Loan.

Hon. Mr. PALMER —TIfis honor the President alluded to that. He thought it would be the best remedy, but admitted that he had no hope of attain. ing it. The Dake of Neweastle says he fears he can told ont no hope of it; and when he fears, the hon. and learned President may quake, aud his honor Mr. Hutebjnson too. Batt will vo further and say, if there were hope of obtaining the loan, L would be very sorry to accept of it, unless we had a guaran- tee from the Imperial Government that they would muss an Act to compell the proprietors to sell their land. What would be the use of having the inoney in the chest unless we had the power to compell the proprietors jo sell? What would be so blind as to take this joan, aud then go round to the proprietors aad say, come, we baye gota large bag of money now, and we wut to purchase your Estates, what will you take for your land? They wight say yes, we will tabe 20s. un acre fer it; and no less : what would be the good of the money then! Hon. the PRESIDENT—Théy will take less. | Hon. Mr. PALMER — Where is the guarantee | that they will take less? And until we have that | What would be the use of the money ?

Hon. the PRESIDENT—We would not require

j the money till we would have completed the pur- Ciuse.

| Hon. Mr. PALMER—AII I want is a guarantee |

| that they will take a reasonable price fortheir land ; | bat where is the hope thut they will do so, without } a2 Compalsory law. Iloun. Mr. HUTCHINSON — been asked Han, My. PALMER — Yes, every one of them jhas been asked, since the present Government | came into power, who it was supposed wonld sell. | I therefore hope that this Bill will receive the sune- | tion of this House, and also of Her M:jesty's Minis If it do not meet the mppebeell of the Im vevial Government because the Award ie too un then 1 would ask his well what other weasure he could expect to carry that would be more favourable the tenantry 7 What does his honor sropose better than the Award? I have frequently asked this question but have never uuclend aun ahawer. lion. Mr. HUTCHINSON —Sooner than take the Award, J weuld take nothing.

They have never

avourable to the proprietors, | honor Mr. Diag nt here to ex-/

Hon. Mr. VPALMER—Then if you do without the :

Award, it is useless to expect to carry any other If I had balf of Prince Edward Island for doinzit, I do not know how L could sit down frame any other measure that would meet the tion of the Luperial Government, be more favourable to the tenantry.

Mon, Mr. DINGWELL — His honor has alluded |

to the few words I said, and I wish to explain.

| lle says that no hope can be entertained of the Loan. |

Well, it is true the Dake says he fears he cannot hold out any hepe of it; bat he does not coudeiwn it, OF Bay We cannot getit. He says nearly the same 1 would give the Duke a little further time. If we could combine the ar- bitration clause with the Award, I would support the Bill. Bat when we pass the Bill to coulirm the Award, we give up the Loan Bill.

Hon. Mr. PALMER—No, the mere confirmation of the Award would not do that.

Hion. Mr. DINGWELL—Well, we cannot say that the Duke will! pasa this Bill any more than we eau say that he will pass the Loan Bill, therefore, i thiuk we ame premature in legislating upon it.

Ifouse iedyour wed.

SS ee i,

CORRESPONDENCE,

To THe Eprror or ‘raz EXAMINER. Sim—On reading over the Parliamentary Re- porter for the year 1861, I find that the Hon. T. NH. Haviland delivered himself of the following patriotic sentiments during the debate on the ad- dress in answer te the Governor's Speech, viz:— “Thad te come forward and stand for the rights of my country, and uever shall [ relax my efforts until every necessary object is gained; and no party, | believe, was ever so able to effect the

~- litical salvation of the country as the party A. at present hold the reins of Govertment?” Tn

the language of Shakespeare, I might exelaim:— ~—“T the name of truth Are ye fantastical, or that indeed Which outwardly ye seem?”

Time bas enabled as to catimate at their true value the bigh-saunding assertions just quoted,and tu knew whether these rights, se confidently promised, have beea gained or not. Tne profound policy, too, hy whieh the “ political salvation” of the Colony was te be ¢ifeeted, has been unfolded to our view—that policy which was not only to command the grateful admiration of P. E. Islan- ders, but to rivet the attention of the world at large. It is within the recollection of many of us that at a meeting of the defunct Politieal Al- lianve, held a tew years ago, the hen. gentleman above uamed created quite a sensation by in- forming the members of that society that the eyes of the world were directed to their proceedings that night, aa also ta the experiment in legislation which the Government of this Colony were try- ing. However that may have been, it is certain that not eves Archimides, when the knowledge first lashed upon his mind as to the method of ascertaining the specific gravity of pure gold, was more emphatic in crying through the streets of Syracuse, “ Eureka, Eureka,” than are members of the Government ia assuring us that they pos- sess the secret whereby to effect the “ political salvation” of the eoantecy. This conduct would be pardonable oy their part were there any foun- dation in truth for the boast. But unfortunately for them,the future historian—should P. E. Island ever form thé subject ef his speculations—when

thing like the recent affair in Nova Seotia, of send- | ing round to the public officers to know bow much } they would have their salaries reduced. I shall | oppose the Bill, for L believe it is not worth the paper it is Written on.

Hon. Mr. RAMSAY—Your houors have gone so fully into the subject that itis needless for me to say anything ; but Ido not see any other course for us but to take the whole Award as it is, and I shall, therefore, support the Bill.

Hon. Mr. PALMER—t searcely deem it neces- sary to add to the length of this debate, Mr. Presi- dent, by replying to the statements of the various speakers, but I cannot refrain from offering a few observations. And, first, with regard to your hon- or; I did not expect the train of argument whieh | have heard. If I understood your honor, you en ceaveured to ran through the Award and find fault with it for confirming the proprietors’ titles. It is your hovor’s opinion then that they require to be confirmed, and therefore they mast be bad. Then you went on to speak about the vast amount of quit rents still dae to the Colony ; and you suy you never saw adespatch giving up those quit reuts. Then the fishery reserves, then the joyalist claims, every single prineiple of the Award meets your dis- approbation ; and yet you say you will support the

treating on the party who at present hold the reins ot Government, will net feel inclined to at- tribute to the leaders of that party a portion of that political sagacity er foresight which dis-

lieu, a Pitt, or a Burke. The policy which our political wiseacres have adopted will be described in few words, and charaeterized as the basest that could be brought inte eperation.

The most superficial observer cannot fail to have diseosered that religious dissension is the politieal secret which so inflated the Hon. Mr. Haviland on the occasion referred to; this was the lever by which he and his hon. colleagues in the Government were te move the minds of the people at pleasure, and insure to themselves and friends the long enjoyment of place and power. The time, however, ts got far distant when these gentlemes will be convinced that there is too much intelligence in the country to submit to be governed by fanatician or to be deluded by fal- lacious promises. None but the shallowest of shallow politicians would think of carrying into effect in the present day that.system ef proserip-

Bill to coulirm it." Now, if the Award is so injuri- ous a8 you represent it to be, I dy uot see why you should confirm it.