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Attendants At F alconwood On Witness Stand
Inquiry Into Disastrous Fire Con- tinued On Tuesday By Fire Marshal In Presence Of The AHZOIIIGY General,
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L202?- (iltmmllliwn session-i Q—'As an attendant in the instit- ‘ttendant at F lorson Sheri-an. ution prior to last summer, when “hum from ~ a conwood. con- everything was found out of order,
Yefiiefdnyfis Guardian. either mechanically, electrically or
Q-“wee in)’ one in the attic? from a constructional standpoint,
$315“; McKenzie was. I did you as an attendant report it 0w until afterwards. I to the superintendent. “me in ‘he ea" end- - , A-Sure. If I saw anything wrong.
(Mr. Been-This, Mr. Sherren is‘ Q-You reported it to the Sup- ‘me "ii-tie d°i'inii0l'l'- ‘crintendcnt who then took meas-
(Mr Stewart) Hero is the gtair- ures to have it repaired? way the other attendants came up A-Yes sir. '
A.—I came in here. I tried to Q-You considered it your duty? ket in there and I had to turn A-Certainiy it would be. I around and come back. The would think it would be.
“ma” dmked me- I “me biiuk} Q~When you first went to the and went into Ward 6 and Word 5i institution, from whom did you "id We"? "D the other way. I met receive instructions?
“mm” °°'“‘"K dwin- I asked if A—I worked under m. Goodwill. the men “w” a“ W‘ °f the lime- Q~He personally gave you in- They said all but one man-Billie structions as to your duties? ilfcQuinn. I took a wet tcwl and A-Yes. He always preached to us
but it on my face. about fim Q-rwv-S Honry Jenkins with you Q-Wgre your instructions Wm- ihen? ten?
A-I tried to make it but when I got in I saw where Billie's door
A—A book of rules, yes. Q~That was still in effect up
was on fire and it fell down. There is an attic up on top. There was a light burning continually all night.
to the time of the fire. Each at- tendant had been given a book of’ rules which told him exactly what
_ where MoQuinn was?
Q-In Biilids room? his duty was? A—No. in the dormitory. Where A_.yeg_
‘he? elept- Q (Mr. Btewart)—A printed book? Q—Have you any idea what part A_ye3 m;
of the ceiling, if it did start on the ceiling?
Q~Did these rules provide for two attendants in each ward?
A-It depends on where it was A-I think so. “Yed- The‘? W“ o Wife Came ill) Q-Jrhat wasn’t always carried by Billie McQuinrfs room and went out? where there was a toilet one time A-Ii’ there was a man short, I and there was an elevator there. suppose. Q (Mr. Stcwnrtl-Someon sug- Q-You were on Ward 4? gested that McQuinn was in the A-Yes, 318W! 0f iniokink? Q-Who took your place when A—-It wouldn't be that. The fire you moved?
A-Albcrt, Woods. Q—Wlicu did William Rush go on as attendant?
wasn't there. The fire was coming down through. Q-Oouldnt it go up the wall un- til it got there. A-He was there off and on when A-Not very well. Not in his de- Dr. McIntosh was Superintendent. partment. 'l'hat used to be an at- ~ l-le was in the dining room. for a. tendants bedroom one time. I slept while and he didn't suit there or there one time myself. something. Q (Mr. Been-It was last sum- Q-Whcre was Wood before he met you moved into the dining went on Ward 4? mom? A-l-le ivas on 3. Charlie Jenkins ' A-Yes. took his place. That was a. one man Q-What Ward were you on bc-i ward. I did work for years for
fore that? twenty six patients. A~—Ward 4. Q (Mr, Been-Is Ward 5 also a Q-That is the second floor? one man Wlrd? A-Yes. A—~Ycs. Q-Directly under whcro the ilrc Q-Ward 5 and 6?
‘pas? ' A-‘Fhere was three men in Amy”, Ward 3 and 4. That was all we
Q-Were you in Ward 4 for some evcr had. They said there was al- glgne? ways two men there.
A-Flve years. Q (Mr. Stewart) Take the occasion
Q-You had slept up in this room do it propvrly’? ' A-Not get justice. Mr. Stewart) Take the occasion
Twenty-two when the fire happened, is it, not
A-Yes. Years ago.
years ago. Q-Not in this last while? quite posslblo and probable it there A_N°_ - had been an attendant in Ward 6 Q-You know the building pretty that tire would have been discovered
we“; sooner?
A-I suppose.
A-Yes. I knew it pretty near all but I didn't know anything o; bout that wire up overhead.
Q-Wcre you there at, thc Univ the building was wired? Were you in the employ of the institution at that time?
A-No. I was iherc the first night they put the lights on. We were up‘ on the stock firm.
Q (Mr. Stewart) ‘That was be- fore the barns were moved down?
A—Years before.
QiiMr. Been-Was there null trouble with the lighting in ihni wing during the time you were there? ‘There was n liatehrntering "filmy?
a blind atii: and the wiring for A_Nuurt used to he m; 01d din- tho ctiic was nlllllrfiiiill’ 11D libel" lug mom and they got crowded the attic Cellini! mill l" this bllmhinml had to put men up there.
‘mo? ' Q (Mr. stcw*i~t)—'l‘hc informa-
A-Yps. Thcrc was it Vflli-"atoniioil that I have is that the num- in the middle oi tlii‘ Tnuni find nnemfl‘ of patients is notoslargc as three
Q~—'I'hcy would be right below and when these men began to make a noirc they would hive heard them?
A-Yes.
Q-And it was discovered in Ward 4?
A---I don't. know about McQuinn. if they could have got him out. I tried to get him out.
Q-Jfhe increase of smoke in five or ten minutes would be trem- (‘il(i0li~‘.'
A - Yes‘.
Q i.\li'. Booth-There never had been n ivzirdcn 1'1’) in ihc attic dor-
down in the basement there that were never there before?
A4139“ was a couple or three men down there-bad ones. They "mild W" the Buards of! and smash the windows. Witness named two patients.
Q (Mr. Been-What is your op- inion as to the cause of the fire?
A-I don't know. Fred Monaghan told him that a couple of the pat- ients told him when the lights went out they could sea fire over- head.
Q (Mr. StewarD-Some of the patients that were in the attic?
A-Jw Giddings and McVarish.
Q (Mr. Been-Who is Fred Mon- aghan?
A-He succeeded Mr. Bonnell.
Q-Was it McVarish that said the lights went out?
A-Jos Giddings. He slept up there.
Q—He said the lights went any,»
A-Yes, and they tried in 11nd the door in the smoke and dark and couldn't find it.
Q-Is Giddingu bad?
A-No. he works on the farm.
Q (Mr. Stewart) l-le is from Murray River.
A-Yes.
lvlr. Beer (Qh-Practieally n11 the patients in the dormitory are up. stairs?
A—Y=8. the good pa-tients. They he‘! W b0 flood men or they would light among themselves.
ALBERT woon (SWORN)
Q~(Mr. Stewam-You are an at. tendant at Falconwood? A-Yes. I Q-How long have you served there? A-Two years and a half this last time. About five years before. Q-You went in there first in what year, do you know? A-IBM first. i . Q-What Ward have you been in? A-I have charge of Ward 4. Q-Was there anybody with you? A—No. Q-Were you alone? A-Yes. Q.—l-Iow ong have you served in that Ward? A-I went on that Ward I think the 1st of August. Q—l93l? 'A—l931. Q-Who was with you until that time? ' A-I was special night watchman. Q—Who was the regular night watchman? A-Mr. Bryenton. Q-l-Iow long were you special night watchman? A-About a year. Q-Did you take that position first when you went in this last time? A.'—NO. Q-What position did You take when You went in two and a half year! B80? A-I went over at the barn. Q-You were working at the barn?
A-Yes. Q-Whenyou became special night watch ndid you succeed anybody? ~
A-Willlam Livingston.
Q-He is the man who drives the truck?
A-Yes.
Q—At that time he was night watchman, was he?
A-Yes.
Q-r-Thfllt is he was off the truck for a while?
A—His brother was on the truck then-Ross Livingston.
Q-You succeeded Livingston, did you?
A-Yes. _
Q-What was your duty as special night watchman?
A-Looking after the patients in Wards 3 and 4.
Q-Why did they have special night watchmen in these twi. nrds? A-There were some suicide pat- lents there. There was a couple wanted attention nights.
Q-Did they have any other ward with special night watchman? A-No.
Q-Who had charge of Ward 4 during that period.
A-Morson Shem-en.
Q-Anybody else? Was there only one attendant on Ward 4? A-Yes.
Q-What about Ward 3 ‘at that time?
A-There was Peter Cameron and James McInnis in Ward 3.
THE CHARLOTTETOWN GUARDIAN
room. _
Q-Were you alone?
A-Yes.
Q-On this memoranda I have here it is marked down Albert Wood _and William Russ?
A-William Russ was a patient. 1 never put much dependence in him. Q-Had he been an attendant?
A-He used to take the clock around nights when the regular night watchman was off. Every sec- ond evening he was eff.
Q-Did you know whether he was appointed an attendant?
A-I didn't know. He was getting pay anyway. He got a cheque in November.
Q-(Mr. Been-Were you instruct ed by the Superintendent or Assist- ant that he would assist you?
A-In the evening.
Q-That he would assist you as an attendant?
A-—Every second evening I was off at six o'clock. He was instruct- ed by Dr. Clark.
Q-i-When didlthat commence?
A-About the time I went on the Ward first in August '
Q.-iAt the present moment you are alone? .
A-Yes.
Q-Wers you acquainted with the rules and regulations of the in- stitution?
A-Yes.
Q-Havc you ever seen this book.
A--Yes, I have one in'my room.
Q—-Are these rules observed, lived up to?
A--They are carried out pretty well sir.
Q-(Mr. Beer) When you last be- came employed with this institu- tion did you sign an obligation or agreement?
A-No. _
Q-You have been employed with them twice?
A-Yes.
Q—The first time did you sign one?
A-No.
Q-—Was your ward ever left un- attended for five minutes?
A-Ycs, if I had to go to the laundry or kitchen for anything. There was an attende ‘ in Ward 3.
Q-Is that according to the regu-
the regulations in your room. You were familiar with them. Was it ac- cording to the regulations that the Ward at any time without special permission be left unattended?
A—No. _
Q-R should never be left unat- tended?
A—No.
Q-You were aware of it?
A-Yes, but lots of times you would have to.
Q-(Mr. Stewart) You would not have to do that if there were two attendants in the Ward?
A-No.
l Q-(Mr. BeeflWas Russ a. patient in that Ward?
A-Yes, he has been a patient about twenty-five years.
Q-(Mr. Stewart) As a matter of fact he would not be treated as a patient. Was he not in the habit of coming to Charlottetown and buying supplies?
A-Yes, for himself ,as far as I know.
Q—If you or I were to meet him in the ordinary way he wouldn't see anything insane about him? 'A-No.
Q-You remember the fire?
A-Yes. .
Q-When was it?
A-The, 14th of December.
Q-Wl-is“. was the first intimation you had of the fire? '
A-I heard somebody shout fire.
Q-Where were you at the time?
A-I was inside Ward 4 door.
Q-Would that be the door be- tween Ward 4 and 3?
A-Yes in Ward 3.
Q-Who was in Ward 3?
A-Charlle Jenkins.
Q—And who else?
A-Mickey Smith.
Q-Was he an inmate?
A-Yes.
Q-Who else?
A-Isaac Bryanton.
Q-Anybody else?
A-Pred Monaghan.
Q-Anybody else?
A-I couldn't tell you who was the sixth person. I ‘wouldn't say for sure if it was Henry Jenkins or not. Q-You are of the opinion it was he?
A-I wouldn't say. I know a sixth person was there.
Q-Thcy were playing cards, were they?
A-Yes.
Q-You went on as regular attend ant in Ward 4 in August?
A-No. When James McInnls left I went in Ward 3 for about three
light hung clown there. :0!’ four years ago? Q~Thero was u ventilator iu the‘ A-JFherc was not nearer as many
middle of the room? ,S'.l'l‘[)iil_'_‘,' up there.
A_Y¢5_ l Q~I was wandering whether the - Q-You would not have much pfiliiPllih‘ lrd not shrunken so that Ballet! tn g0 up inio the ciiic in till? {here would not be anybody left in
weeks.
Q-When was that?
A-About the first of June. James Mclnnis left the institution. Q-You succeeded him?
A—Yes.
last few months? tinii attic, whether the wards would A-No. Not since August, I think 1 hflYi‘ held them nll?
‘g w“, i A -l (in uot think s0. The beds] Q—Had You been up llirrc f‘illCf‘?'\"“l'lfi l)“ filird. There would be so’ A_Ye5_ several times, .1 _v i)~.‘(iS' ioeneh room and you Q_gad you noticed [my looks in w. rl illlY.‘ to pilt tlic quietest men
. ililliz- McQuinn was the
the roof. 511i) 1 ‘ A__N°_ I ma“! some p353“ gyiy- fill)’ mitn ill l? rd 3 that 518W ill)
inl there was a leak in the roof. there. I hm] hi~n icr a long time in out; 1n the vag-"t pinch, ‘I'm-re wins d single room. l don't wont him to nothing there at all. This is n room. 1i irl) iu the iiiiir. lie used. to sleep‘ emit-h was in this room and John} nexl io mv hr<lr'n~l‘-i~
McKenzie in this. Q-Tlierl- were
Q-Did anybody succeed you as special night watchman? t
A-No.
Q-They did away with that pos- ition last Juno? ‘
A-Yes.
Q-At that time then you and who else were on Ward 3. A-Petcr Cameron. Q-And on lthera was?
Q-So that Ward 6 was over your head? A-Yes. Q—-There was no attendant there? A-Unless John McLeod was there I couldn't say that. Q-Bo that you weren't in your Ward at that time? A-No I was in Ward 3. Q-So that Wards 4 and 6 were without attendants at that momen‘? Who did you hear give the warn- ing? A-I couldn't say who it was. Q—-You don't know who it was? A-No. Q—Is there a Lewis patient in Ward 4? A-Yes. Q-Was it Lewis that gave the
A-Morson Sherren. Q-You succeeded Sherren?
some pal-lentil A-‘Yu. no went to the dining r
warning? A-I couldn't any who shouted fro.
lations? You say you had a. copy of.
Q-Did you hear any noise from above? A-No.
- Q—If you were in your Ward fire out? could you hear any sounds 0t dis- I
turbances made in the attic over you? A-It would have to be pretty
loud before you could hear it. It Q-Did you see any of the p“- would have to go through Wards ients confined in the attic.
6 and 4.
Q~so that you don't know bow attic.
iLewis got information or the alarm ‘of fire?
A-No.
Q—Where was Russ?
A—In Ward 4.
Q-Just in the Ward‘! Openly in the Ward?
A-—Yes. l-Ie was a trusty fellow.
information that there was a. fire? He would not nave any more op- portunity than anybody else in Ward 4. would he?
A—No.
Q-Are there any patients In Ward 4 sleeping in ‘the attic?
A-One.
Q-Who was he?
A-Wllliarn McQueen.
Q-Who put him up there that evening?
A-l-le always went up from lup- per, up the back stairs. One man in Ward 2 went up after him.
Q-Do you know who took him?
A-Unless it was Murphy or Ken McLean.
Q—It was not you?
A-No.
Q-How did he get out in the morning?
A—-The night watch sent him down.
Q-Did he ever give you any trouble? ‘
A-No.
Q—(Mr. Stewart) You say Wil- liam McQueen was a perfectly good patient?
A—He was a trusty patient. He did not give me any trouble.
Q—Why was he locked up?
A-In a dormitory where other patients were he would not leave them alone. He would be picking at them.
Q—Was he quarrelsome?
A-He would be picking at them and would get them going. He would pull the clothes off them-tease them. That was the habit when I went on Ward 4 to put him in the attic.
Q-Who assigned l.lm to be taken up and locked up by the keepers of Ward 2?
A-I couldn't tell you that.
Q-Why did you not do that?
A-It was never the habit for the Ward 4 man to do it. The Ward 2 man came up andall were wait- ing in the hall to go up.
Q~Each one of you attendants is responsible for the care and pro- tection, I presume, of your patients?
A-Yes.
Q-If anything happened to the patients in Ward 4 you would be responsible?
A-Yes sir.‘
.Q.—How do you reconcile that with the fact that you released that man to someone else to take up and lock up and ‘that while he was locked up he lost his life. Wasn't it your duty to take him up and get him back?
A~Yes.
Q-Did the superintendent ever instruct you to turn him over every night to the attendant of another ward?
A-No sir.
Q-After the warning of the fire what did you do?
A-I went up to Ward 6.
Q—By the way what division line is there between Ward 3 and 4?
A-There is an iron door.
Q-How was it at that time?
A-It was always left open.
Q-Was it open at that time?
A-Yes.
Q-Did you ever have any in- structions with regard to that door? When to close it and when to keep it open?
A—Wc were instructed to shut them in case of fire. '
Q-Was this door shut?
A-Aftcr I got my patients off the ward I closed the door.
Q-Did you go up to the attic? A-No, there were other men went up and I went back to my ward. Q—So that you did not leave your ward at all?
A-I only left lt for about one minute.
Q--Where were you then? h-Ward 6, when I saw how bad the fire was I came back. Q-Whcn did you go up there? A-Just as I heard the shout of fire.
Q-Who else went with you? A-Charlie Jenkins was up there. Q-Was ‘he ahead of you?
A-I think he was.
Q-What did you find when you [went up?
A-I found the pantry-a. fire in the little pantry off the dormitory --the elevator shaft.
Q—And that was aiirc?
A-Yea.
Q~Oouid you see the blaze? A-Just the reflection of it and I tumed back down.
Q-What about smoke?
A-JIhera was quite n little smoke. Q-Any confusion among people there?
A-Qiilto a bit of confusion. Q-Wnfl were they doing?
Q—I was wondering how he got‘
Aa-Running hero and helping dormitory. one another. Q-‘Inm Wu a light in m- Q~Were they trying te put the Queen's room? ‘ A-There was no light in his A-The hose was going. room. Q~Did you see someone carrying Q-Was there a light in the room buckets of water? ‘occupied by Mcvarish and Bark? A-No sir. l A—-I couldn't say. Q-Was there a light in the toil- ‘et? A-No, I did not go up to the A-I don't think there was. Q—D1d Y0" thin! i?! Mil-Queen at being peculiar in as much as the in? idormitory up there was only used A-Charlie Jenkins and the rest for sleeping quarters? Went iiP- g v A--Yes. fit-But you considered at WW Q-And the only time the toilet time that you were not responsible was used would be at night?
for him? A-It wasn't used at night. A-No, 1 was responsible for him Q-The patients were only up
till nine o'clock. - there at night? Q-And it wasn't nine then? A—They had pails at night and A-No sir.‘ ‘the toilet was locked.
Q-(Mr- Boo!) M Boon n5 Ye" ' Q-Your impression was that the saw now serious the fire was you wires were ailyexposed. on the ceil- returned to your ward? 111g?
A-Yes. A-Yes, over to that light.
Q-You saw the seriousness of i Q-why do you gay over to that the 11m from the pantry of Ward light? Were there other lights? 6? i‘ A-Not that 1 know of. As m- as
A—-Yo8. I ooifld soc the reflection I know they came up from Ward 6 out on the snow from the roof. ito that light. As far as r know they
Q-Where it was burning through did,
the roof? Q-That light wasn't working A-YW- good? Q-You took it then the fire was A-Nd 511-,
right through the roof? Q—In what way did it appear to A—-Yei!- be‘ defective?
A.—It used to go out sometimes.
Q.—Would it flicker?
A-Soinetimes. Itl would flicker and go on again. I remember putt- ing a new bulb in it myself.
Q—Did it make any difference?
A-I couldn't say.
Q-How would you make it come
Q—'I'hat would be a very very few rninutes-possfy less than a minute-after the alarm of fire was raised by the patient in your ward?
A-I could see the reflection on the snow.
Q-As soon as you heard the alarm from the patient in your ward you acoomp "ted by the other at- on again; tendants immediately ran to Ward A_1; woum “w”;
57 Q—And go out? A-Yes sir. A_ye5_ Q-And when 7°“ 91,9595 the Q-Jlow would you make it come
Q-Would that not strike you as]
dormitory door there was smooke and fire. A-The dormitory door was open
on again? A-When I put on the new bulb —I went down and got a new bulb
about six weeks ago and as far as 1 I know it was all right afterwards.
on 6. Q-And there was smoke there?
A-Yes. Q-And you would take it the Q-And 7°“ We!“ 111W the Denim’? trouble was in the bulb? A-Ye!- A-As far as I know.
Q-And in the dumb waiter shaft there was fire? You could see the reflection on the snow of tnc smoke
Q-It would not be the wiring? A-Not that I know. Q—Does McQueen smoke?
and‘ (in. A-Yes sir. A-“lfl- Q-Does he take his pipe to the Q-And you knew immediately arm? that the fire had broken through A_NQ Sh;
Q—How do you know? A_—I know he did not take it up ,that night. I always take Mc- ‘Queews pipe from him.
Q.—Would he have matches?
A-No, I always lit the match myself. I never gave him a second match.
Q-Do you know of patients in
the roof?
A—Yes.
Q-Then you ran down to Ward 4 in order to look after your pat- ients?
A—Yes. -
Q-I-Iad any of the patients from the attic dormitory come down the stairs before you returned to Ward
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Q-Wcll, now, you would beam . or less interested in the pccullcritiu of each patient?
A-Yes.
Q-I suppose nearly everyonc would have something different, and naturally in a , ‘tion like that, you would be more inclined to notice people than if they were all the same. What I am trying to get at is, do you know if any of those people smoked. Do you know that?
A-Pat McMahon smoked, Joli Giddings smoked-I think he smok- ed. . Q—-How about Compton?
A-He didn't. that I know of.
Q-l-low about Warren?
A-I cannot say.
Q—Of these men that you know to be smokers, did any of them smoke cigarettes?
A--No sir, I don't think so.
Q-Under normal conditions, if they smoked cigarettes is it possible, remembering that they are trusties, that they would be allowed to have cigarettes in their possession?
A-Yes I guess they would. As far as I know they would be allow- ed.
Joe Murphy (Sworn)
Q-(Mr. Stewart) you are an a8- tendant at Falconwood?
A.-Yes.
‘ Qa-l-Iow long have you been there, Mr. Murphy?
A.—About nine yer-as. I can figure out.
Q.—What part of the province do you come from? -
A.——Hope River.
Q.--A.nd you have been there con- stantly?
A.—Yes.
Q.—What ward.
A.—Ward 5. .
Q-Have you been on that ward ever since you came there?
A.—I started in Ward 3.
Q-So you just went up on! flight of stairs?
A.—Yes.
Q.—-You were first in Ward U when you went there eight or ninl years ago?
A.—Yes.
Q-When did you move up in your present ward?
A.—After two years. I moved Q in April-April or March. Q-That would be six or seven years ago?
A.—Yes.
Q-At the time when you well in Ward 8, who was with you? A.-Mr. James McInnis. Q-When you were moved up to 5, was anybody with you there? A.—M:. Sampel.
Q-Sampel was there until aboil
asfaras
your ward having matches? Would you have any supervision on that? Would you see that they did not have matches?
A-Olh yes.
Q-And you endeavoured to keep them from having matches?
A-Yes.
Q-Did you ever know of one of your patients having a full box of matches?
A-No sir.‘ if you found him with
4 as far as you know?
A-I couldn't say that. They were nmning around here and there.
Q.—Had any of the attendants gone to tbe attic before you went down?
A-Yes.
Q.—You did not hear anybody_ say the fire had broken throughi the roof but you knew it oi your own knowledge?
A-Yes, I saw the reflection my-
self. Q-It wasn't suggested to you? that what would you do? A-No. A-With a whole box of matches? Q-Did you remark on it do you I would take it from him. We only remember? got six boxes of matches for seven
days.
Q-Small boxes? I suppose quite a. number of your patients smoke or are showed to smoke?
A-Three or four, I guess.
Q-Do you think it possible Mc- Queen had matchcs when he went to his room?
A-I don't think so.
Q-Did he ever smoke cigarettes?
A-If you gave him s cigarette he would smoke it.
Q-ln this attic dormitory there were men staying who worked on the farm and around the buildings?
A-I think Lem Compton slept there.
A.—No sir, I don't think I did. Q-Were you well acquainted with
the attic dormitory? A-Yes.
Q—Were you up in it every day?
A-No, not every day.
Q-Some clays you would be up there more than once?
A-Yes.
Q—But you would be up there many times?
A-Yes; I have been up there quite often.
Q-Do you remember if for the - month preceding the outbreak of fire you had been up in that dorm-
ittyxes s“ Q-And they were out more or Q__md you name anything mung lee: atlelgarge around the grounds? with the dormitory from a. construe QZThéY were ‘vhat you would tional standpoint? I am referring can tmtles? to any leak in the roof or wires A__Yes_ broken? aéThcre was a light nut working Q-(Mr. Beer) Knowing the attic 800d. dormitory as you do, if one of the
patients sleeping in the ma._ln dor- .mitory had cigarettes and he W88 asked through the door by Mc- Queen for one, could he supply it to him.
A.—Not that I know of, the door is locked.
Q—Did the door fit around?
Q.-—-W.ill you explain what you mean by a light not working good?
A-‘Iberc was a round thing in the ceiling the same as that.
Q-Do you mean a fresco or a rosette?
A-Like that in the ceiling only smaller. There was a light in the centre of it. There were two wires went across it and sometimes" that A_1 cannot My 113m “Wm 5° °“t' Q—In a great many instances a
Q-TM” “m wit“ n“ “m” cigarette could be passed under- on the ceiling where you could see neat}, the do“ them? A-That could happen, too.
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Q—W8S thE wiring in the BZHQ tbs passjbmty of things‘ exposed on the ceiling or was it A_ye8_
“m” the cemw‘ Q-Did you know the patients in
A-It was on this side of the the “m, dormitory? ceiling. A_ye5_
Q-A" "i" "in"! W“ viewed? Q-Dld you know their habits?
5417"“ "l" w" elllweed- A-I just knew them to see them.
Q-Do you mean therewere other M,” are not m, ward 4_
"h" m“ we" m‘ "Wled- Q-You were nightwatchman and
A-I couldn't say that.
tightly all
the Was there wiring above the oell-
Q-Yuil hi!" I eemnk ill? lhfln- some years. I suppose you would know pretty nearly all the male ‘"37 patients?
4-1 wine!" tell You about A-I knew the patients to see above. Thorn ve- qv lint in the than.
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four years ago?
A.—Well, he was there until thi tower caught fire, it was struck by lightning. -
Q-Was he injured?
A.-He took a stroke l. certain‘ length of time after that. ‘Q.—Well, the tower was burned in 1928. and then you were alone? A.—Yes, after he got an assist- ant, he got some fellow in for him. Q-He got somebody himself? A.—Yes, there was somebody working with him.
Q.—How many inmates werl there in Ward 5?
A.—When I went up on it? Q.—Well, yes, or at the present moment? '
A.—'I‘wenty six or twenty seven. Q.—Had there been a higher number than that some years ago? lh-Twenty seven was about the most.
Q-How many are there now?
A.-About twenty two.
Q-When you had twenty six or twenty seven, did they all stay in the ward?
A.—I had three or four men working outside, and two men on parole.
Q-(Mr. Beer) what do you mean, parole? '
A.--well, they walked around out- side, the Doctor gave orders to let them out.
Q.-(Mr, Stewart) To go home?
A.—No. just to walk outside.
Q-Where did they sleep.
A.—'I‘hey slept in the ward.
Q.-'l‘hey were trusties?
A.~Yes.
Q-You would have twenty six or twenty seven sleeping in the ward?
A.—No. I had one or two men, as far as I know, sleeping in the attic.
Q-But even if you would hovl more sleeping in the ward than you have now, was there room for two or three more patients to sleep in your ward?
A.—At the present time. When I went there they made a bed in the bathroom and a patient slept there.
Q-How do you manage with your ward when you are that! alone. how do you do when you
are away, do you go off until
you had been in the institution for '
one comes on?
A.—No. I stay on the ward until 9 o'clock, and the night watchman is there.
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