l . a; Hbtgweger.htheIIminiI atter satd' lar projects in ditterent parts . s or wen sse lip—5 1.W'

O and it has not even been set upi 2:31-31; 1: mm and v“mew”

I yet—is gomg to start researchl s 1 c ' can out a

into or carry on research. 1‘ them" it is "mg to be 8 won'

should not say "start" Tube ‘derful engineering feat." That

‘is my answer to the hon. mem-

ber for Bonavista - Twillingate

who asked how it was going.

The decision to build the cause-

stay was made quite some time ago. almost a year .

Mr. Pickersgill: It was an- nounced in April.

Mr. Flemming: The honor- .able gentleman referred to the ‘announcement as contained in the newspapers as being 100 per cent accurate. You may be sure. Mr. Chairman. and this house may be sure. that. any

minister did not say "start." e / ' . . says it is going to carry on're— SECOND SECTION . Charlottetown Tues. Dec. 18. 1062. .-At.|«, 9 search in“, the Prince Edward-I Island causeway.

Cghseway; Atlantic Board

, ‘ Mr. Flemming: No. that is ’ 0 wrong. l am sure my hon. friend 1 does not wish to misquote me. I . Mr. Pickersglll: No. I do not a r O u ‘wlsh to misouote the minister. * Mr. Flemming: Research into - .the planning to see how it is do- I A spll‘lled exchange took place oft fortestrisedui-ing debate on the it has not been dealt with and have been suggested as de- tnIEV-I m k "-I Th h t . ' y in the House of Co m. an to ve opment Board. that is why I rise to say a few serving urgent consideration r- I 0 "SK 2 en W a " ' I Immmmmem mad. by the prime I"Winlih‘yetween J.W. Pickersgill. The following are exerpts from Words ahOUt it. Th0 minister by the board A numb" “t In" "‘th'Ster "‘93."; is "1"“ 1:" MR' PICKERSGmL HON' PRIME “INSTER Minister in connection with the man” ansard in which Mr. Pickers- was talking annut the “Intent! Ptthltt' works Prniects "9"" mt blame "‘9 mmlSter' Norm}, way. However. perhaps the Min. I think anyone who has everisli491mn more than the old Lib. Prince Edward 1515*“ causeway

hierqgg‘gfllg‘zlgizmegngor llIlii 100k exception to the inclu- thts hoard might take “P- Hal immematt’ reseaFCh ~ hem: inriip‘itgrewr‘amumm isier of National Reveue could gone across on the ferry from erai government ever spent on "rIf‘hi “then PTOJFN Will be 3”": J M Flemming minis“;- Iston of the Prince Edward Is- "td that among the” were: " . . hjhlnwn’v in which "wt find a more direct route than to,Cape Tormentine to Borden. a the causeway 93‘}th “lit to tn? iPttPT~ They Hit-l ° ' land Causeway in the projects "—the Chignectn complex Causeway DECISION icing“; of hk- whn ‘3 no 10m set up a board to investigate distance of nine miles. must. M,’ 3...“... W. I”... “mg talk about research. If my hon-

- i ' to be considered by the board: of canal. tidal power and in- l ' . v- . and t“ hhd m" Whether h l“ certatht-V kht‘w that 9 int 0t 9"" it achieved nothinc" gram-e mend from Bonavism' ML Henna": _ I do not dustrial deve‘opment: the :ISGId Already Made 'f'I‘IIItthILZ'AE'l‘;Icarrying Ion this great public gineering study will have toIgIo Mr. Flemming: And if it :hnuld tlm'llungaée “er; chairman 0' intend to make a speech he. causeway to link New Brun- ! i - w 1k . \vh went “Mk “‘h"'t‘ "‘9 “Winnie” "it" It- 1' '8 a terrificme diffi- he st. Mr. Chairman. that would '5 .m" "me" “‘9‘” ‘h‘hg’ . Remember that this is just an l‘Mr. David :- er o . , . . . I he “Gum ask h I I f d “"59 I made one the Other d”. mic“ w‘th Prince Edward iadvisory board This is not a down to New Brunswick. with-ismd “as finned seven or fight cu".englne"'ng pmblpm‘ hm h? 5‘ mm" than th" “hora! in mv own i d h am sallhle. I but the" was one thing which IslandI which has been ac_ Iboard In execute a'nyI-hmg and iIIIIt WI" mm“ the minister a“. monthIs ago. lguggestktha: the. coming back to what this gen- government PH’l‘ spent on the Tegpém for abfici‘tavus: “’03:; Storey Eiectnc i "2"”? :1“? very mucn BbOUt fight“: in Principle end is 1" itherefore it would seem odd that ‘ltl‘tt‘E ahmlt it allti flnnnunced fiitfgmbyvgganlf Soil-53- ucfifnsltzlgage—if I understand Prth Edward Istahd "hilghwfly bct “How aretwc getting aloung w att e nister of national re- 9 “mm” 5 age" ‘anv proiecl would be i tthat the "overnmenl had reier-t- s . . ' ' ' ’ ' ' ' ‘ Mr St ~ t- B t ' ~ ~ " I I I I I I I I paced be_ I I I I. I I d. . .. _ . war . H i011 ale “till the. Prince E w ll d 136 prtnce ht" (-h tuwn venue “1d 0“ Dec‘ 4 oh the re‘ I had undersmoc‘ fmm the an' ltore tt aant “’htCh a deCiStnn t0 it‘d "I? Ch‘qnecm Home" we 'lrh‘e mlglsih'alhh: gghytliiewl’rhiie the. .mmlbte'v‘ Forrecu‘v he sug saying it was wasted. Causeway” That disargrohaabriv [HAL 4434} solution stage. I had expected nouncement when it was madE. Jact had already been made. or "“"""“ht‘" 'tli‘ mint‘t‘” hr“i"'jd Naif; t0 make mm minister ESISItgnItilatIImiéléurgbzrlzgdnfo; MrI HPmminEII “I. (.hmh mo of Ih‘e'first things‘ this Chan; m “HOUR SERVICE this matter would have been and I think everyone in the old which was supposed to be in theiln saint thhi t" find that m“ of public works and to let him ‘ k [‘1 d h . I H mm 1 do not mmd hpin: ask— man will ask. If an inquiry into raised by one of the members parliament understood it. loge-.eariy qtagpd of implementation icollcaguc had cut the 'ireimd I m ” duecuv and ma .e 9.3”: reiehic me te d ( 0st ( : hit 1 s h 'i it t the l whl h bi from Prince Edward I land bt th I ‘th 1 ‘ t t ' - - ‘ic moletnlv from under his feet. ".3 .9 ma er " ‘ ehg‘heenhg teas'b‘l'ty “f “"59 w ’ “n I 'u ml 13 ' p'ans c are eng made . s . u I er. am sure. w1I everyone (Here Mr. Pickersgill quoted 0 I d th t build ll’llS causeway-i that was rojemI and he enlarge, milionourable gentlemen meriliere. constitutes research. undoubted- lnI the Atlantic Provmces. that 1from a speech made by Mr. T th"'f’th" dnf wir‘mnl 9'; “,8 already being built. according to the (mommy of the pun-act 1 “’h0 d" "0‘ 5991'“ t” b? “bl? '0 i." that “'tll be it And “'hi' that? groiea “a? lolloge M is?“ lDtCtt‘tIthaket‘ “’hf‘n he appeared 'tnf mu:;e;o°mnfh:2::n fine“: the Prime Minister. but which Qhould like "0 agk him if “m Itake it very well. are iiitcri'upi— would it not be done? Why w1c was st en cons er-jin C arlolletown during the ' h i ‘

I . . is only going to be investigated ~. . . - - , in: and min: to cause a de- should it not be done'.’ I am THE NICEST GIFTS ARE BOUGHT ed. I refer to the Prince Edward jJune election campaigni. ."hnartmt‘ht "hm “hm: mm‘s' by a board noi yet set up. a $415225:haa‘jhgélefsm'mo Slum that l haic the floor at the mo- sure that he, would be the first. Island Causeway. Construction ofIi "Since investigations have :erISPPm livrhxhg 20th:” a" board that is being sponsored by " “ ' m..." and “H... mm. haw, " who" M SHIV mm it should he ‘10an ’that Causeway was accepied MI. Show" that a causeway is hm dcnImcIII IIsIIuI IIIIIOIIIIIII "I? the minister. As for myself. l G vsf T F the opportunity comes in iiic l'P- Therefore. Mr Chairman to isomt’thmg Wh‘ch was $01"? toi tEESibte both from an econ- Dizgrtgpmnnf gum“, works {3‘ ‘think this matter needs a great. o o 0' ow :ulai I‘illll'st‘ of (lt'l)fiif’. But i take care. of that matter 1 quot- 5 be done- I tnlng the {nmltitfl' «mile and engineering stand- .reauv doing “whim. nhnut deal of explaining. it throws a PM'S commlfmenfs rlo worry abuui Iiic remarks of ed the conversation I had with I should try to reconcile his state- point. we are proceeding “1i: tau Pwav Much the Prime rather dubious light on this the honourable member, unless the engineer and I have quoted V m... u. intent? to the effect that this .is With it". Ministerssaid-was being proceed- “3“an Dilnposal: ." rather mn' Mr. Flemming: Well. l\lr. he is a great deal hotter than the facts It is probably com. ‘St'n ‘h the Stage ht Stttdyv 5”“ The Prime Minister went on i . hm“ the 5U‘”“"“" that l “h' Chairman. I cannot answer that he was yesterday. because i pit‘lely out of order to concen-

‘ ed with last Mas.

in the stage of conjecture — tertain and expressed on ch- question because i have not got thought he made a very poor irate on the Prince Edward Is-

‘ l i 1 tin say even more than that. He - THE ISLANDS FINEST JEWELLERY AND MP- Fiemmmli — WOUidI the Isaid the project would employ The hml't‘li'ler talkodopwogtehr: nestle?“ “ain‘t-V that perhf‘h‘. me the information with me here. spcccli then. land causeway, but certainly CAMERA STORE. Ii'hororable gentleman mm d L100 men for Six years and pm .dmagnthouageIiIiIemangmI grammt main nurpose IrIif this board is to ML Stewart: IS the Implipa‘ Ml. rum-mam I am coming mere has been plenty 0f pram» readlng again What I Said? ivide $30,000,000 in wages, It blame the mm. fi'eople in prince be a grave-Var ' ,I C tion that the earlier research back to my conversation with dent for it this afternoon. How- 121 GRAFTON DIAL {-0.53 Mr: Plekeflgm: _ ye?" twomd be eight miles in length .Edward Island. even the very M" Flemmlhg (Iwctor'a' ‘ar' Was unsuccessful? one of the engineers of the pro- ever. I just wanted to clear up ! There a" many PnttCtes ill would include one and a quar- in'pnigent peonle who write the let“): That ‘5 “hat the hOh' Mr. Flemming: I can tell the Ject. He said to me. "We have that particular matter here and measures and projects which Im- miles of lock; and bridgesI .edimfla1s for. me. Tm... newsnap. mcmher hope-9 mai'bP- hon. gentleman this: it w a .s studied and are studying simi- how.

‘The ml “'m'ld 0°" thhmihtml er there. you cannot blame tiiem Mr. Plckersgill: i know the '— IOCkS and bridges shhihmthtm and ‘for being confused. if the min- minister did not. really mean .. jenfitneering work 530.000.000. He lster thinks this parliament has that. The minister says that is even went on to predict that it to set up a board to find out what I hope. That is not what; wontd he cl'tmplcted in time for how the Department of Public 1 hope. and I do not think thei lot" centenary in 1967. Works is getting on with plan- minister really believes that

M" Ftt’h‘h‘thgt — May 1 in- ning this causeway which was is what i hope. TheIminister bIe- !terupt the honorable member? ‘stated hv the Prime Minister lieves that lIhope this board Will The Part I want him to repeat last April. which was going to be as effective as it isIallowed is what he read about what I be employing all these men— to be in producmg things for said a couple of days ago. Mr. Flemming: The hon. mem- the government to do. not in Mt“ Pickerssih: — I shall be her is not making a very good studying things which the gm;- glad to do that. The last thing case. It is a very poor case. It ernmenl has either dectded :- I want to do is to be unfair to is not as good a one as usual. Ireadv not to do or has alrea y the minister or to anyone else. ‘ Mr. Pickersgill: The minister ‘ said it is doing. There is no Irea- I am merely trying to clear [1p seems to he more disturbed by son whatever why the PIerntIIel. a serious doubt which has aris_ I it than usual. Edward Island cause“ s “lain- ! en not merely in my mind but Mr. Flemming: The hon. engage one minute of e. a

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I ‘ ' . f this board. That oprojcct. i ingherrngzdsiogotherl$9115. member is labouring at it immune“ as one Ihat was I ' m n = - in we I. I I L ' ' ’ d. it was being done _ lgmowI1 wgat l: in yourIImind. but Member Churaes IgIotn: :r::flmem III IIIII govern- o 8 ea an read w at I said. I IIIII bnard Mr- picltemilill: — I do not SIOWdawn '5 on merit. The time of is

should not be wasted onfitpatIIaIiIlIl. ' - . . . Mr. Pickers ill: The lain if the Department 0 u ic . Claims as the mmlster has 3”“ fact is. of comic. that we lhave Works is not fit to do it. let us made' The ministpr' “'9 kmw' already had revealed clearly to get some new people in the he- is a .mum mm" mmhlhx ht’r' us in the house. in response to partment of Public Works and sonamy than. I am‘ myself' It he ouestions. that there has been a get on with the job. We wish knows What is in my mthdi Pet“ slow-down. if there was ever this board to produce some new - haps he “mild “Mid” Standing anything to slow down in the first things. not to thresh over the luP and making my SPPCCh tor place. Judging from the amount. researches of others into pro-

pretend to make such large

. 9' I money that is being spent. jects which are supposedly ii?- i .Mr' Flem'l‘tht" _ i said “i there is nothing really serious in: built now. it is because this iththk I knm“ ‘ ‘being done about the causeway seemed to me to be such a real-

Mr- PiCkerSEiiii— NOW lhevat all. and there has not been 1y damning indictment of the minister is being his usual mod- ' anything done. about the cause- proposal. that it seemed to m9 St 56” again. and we like him Ii way with the exception of the there was something he" the

i i ‘ I bt’lter in those circumstances. [words uttered by the Prime ‘ minister ought to clear up and The minister said — I think I‘Minister and supporters of the do so right away- - v I had better read the two sen- ' Prime Minister on this subject: Mr. Flemming: I am one of

tanccs together: . n the election campaign. One I those who enjoy the speeches of “There are many policies, cannot help but suspect that the hon. gentleman for Bona-

‘ f ' ' I measures a n d projects the causeway is another of the vista - Twillingate. He is a skii-

. ' ' > . which have been suggested 'Vit‘tims 0' tn? GIGSSCO-MQCUtCh- {ul debater; he is is fluent de-

fi. __ . " ~ 85 deserving urgent consid- :80“ 8X9 Whicn i3 flitting 8 great bater. and he is a resourceful . . \I,

eration by the boa rd. A 'deal deeper. as far as one can debater. If there is the least hit number of public works pm. discover. in the Atlantic pro- of vulnerability in an opponents

“t ' .iects need immediate r'e- Vince-V it ""9 “an it‘d“ trhm argument he seems to have the

" i ' Search." :the way in which public works faculty of putting his finger on

" I emphasize that last. word ha"? ht‘9n ('llt- than in any 0th‘ it; but today he laboured and "research". 9f Part Of ranndn- he sweated and he stuttered. and

"Among these are th e ‘ MP. i“lemming: The hon. had the hardest time I ever saw

. Chignecio complex of can- member will eat those wards him have in trying to make ev-

al. tidal power and indus~ Within t“’0 .Vedl‘i . en the semblance of a case;

trial development: the Mr- Pifkf‘t‘fifltlii Within “"0 There hardly was any case at.

causeway to lin k New years I suggest that the on. an and as 1 iigtened to him as

Brunswick with Prince Ed- gentleman Wt” b9 “V9? he" tt he referred to these things—and Ward Island, which h as .he is tUCkY 9n0ugh to get back he did not go back into ancient been accepted in principle tht" the hhttst’ at a“: and WO‘ history as he usually does—l ra- and is in the pla nning habl" “"th'h tw" yt‘Pt‘S' “'tth ther admired his convenient me- stage”. a “‘3' government "‘ Dowel'-imory because he could forget "And needs research". I add- ""9 “Nd W'" have he?“ dm'e‘aii the things he wanted to for- ed that from the previous sen- “hm” the matte“ lgel. Finally he came along and tence. In other words this pro- M" Mcarath: “095 thf‘ hhh' Dickt‘d "DO" the Print” Edward ject was placed not. No. l but {member th'hk he “3°”? to Island causeway and said this No.2 among the things this mflumce any votes "‘ P""‘Ct’vibill was really vulnerable on board would be doing research Edward “land 0" Mo.de by that subject. into. Yet the Prime Minister the very weak "‘5" he ‘5 pl'ttlhg He quoted my remarks made it

told us in April——— Wan": “hdItaglhg “p the time few days ago in which I said Mr. Flemming:—- Research 1° 9 "use " o '3‘- so‘ that the project was already ac- and planning. M" “Chershm' I do "0t cepted n principl

. . i e. .. mmk that “will”: I may be Mr. Pickersgfil: More than in

and “toque” member m" S" I cipie and was in the plannning

Mf- Pickfrsliili— Surely the i John's Eh“ “imhd “my 3° to; stage. Then he professed to gel planning is not going to be, done. ' Prth” Edward than" t“ "thetl lerriblv indignant and said it by this Atlantic Development l t" Shhw them Whh rcprhsmts ‘ should‘be under cohstructtion. board. Did not the government 1 Newfoundland in the present ' Mr. Pickersgill: ldid not say tell us not long ago they h a d ‘ EOVPt'M‘ent "t Canadh- 0“ the i it was under construction; l did spent $800 on it _ or mono. At peripheri' of the government—hm m the government said it any rate it. was a long way from i 3" hnn- mt‘mm‘l‘ Who is Nit (‘OI'I- . was under construction. I said the $30,000,000 in wages that. Sidel‘t‘d 300d enouzh to ‘10 intoithe government said it had de- were going to be paid. We and ‘ the Cabinet. but Who is ODIY‘cided to go ahead with it and the public were led to believe there apparently for the purpose ‘ was getting on with the plans. that April that this prince Ed. i of internipting others when they That is what l said. ward Island causeway was be-;are attempting to speak con- Mr. Flemming: Mr. Chair- ing startedl do not wish to i structively about the failure of man. l still submit that he in- mlsrepresent the government. ‘2 the government to carrv out its ferred that it should N unit" They did not say that the actual :' own programs. I construction. construction was being started, i Mr. McGrath: What about the Mf- PiCROI‘SKi"! NO- lift but they said this. to quote ihon. member when he was there MF- Flemmtntli we“ t have again the Prime Min l s ter's last spring? the right. Mr. Chairman. to take. Words in Charlottetown on May ‘ Mnh Pickerqsgill: T h e hon. any inference that I choose from

. mem or or .t. John's East can his remarks. If he disa rees since investigations sncak when I have concluded lwith mv inference then it gis I have shown—r" my speech. No doubt he will debatable subject.

In other words research was make one of those devastating‘ Mr. Pickersgill: Quite. and I‘ over then and now it is going to anti il‘mievani Speeches which i will debate it. start. entertain the house from time Mr, Flemming: lwiil take any

~ that a causeway is to time. However. i wish to inference I choose from his re-l feasible both from an econ. get back to the bill. Mr. Chair-imam; H9 professed to gay mic and engineering stand- mati- and not to interifl‘t "ntt‘s‘something about the dclav that

point. we are proceeding Iabout who is going to vote where". ~ t - ' d' ' ml

with it." Io day. I never mention- 32:. 20:13“? dgfipamzechm:

Surely this Atlantic dPVelop« 1ed that subject at 8"“ man apfejw d'avs ago 1 attended ment board is not going to build ; 30m? holl- Membcrs: Oh. oh. h'amh" of ‘r'nmmorr, dinner the causeway. The investigations Mr. PiCkfl'SBiiii -—9Xt‘8Pt tht‘. 3: i m t I a were over last May when the influencing of votes last May f." n. he miurse 0 Grim": ' Prime Minister addressed thatiand June by the Prime Minis-‘ '0" w“. "r on“ “we!” or cheering crowd. Hence I am iter. stating that this nroiect was i “t the him". I “‘9'. a gem em.“ puzzled, as are a great many Iunder way_ this pmde that “i who said to me. lIam a prin- other people. I did not wish to now going to be the subject of‘Ihlhhl "t hn" "t the firm“ that t’ be called to order. I will it o w tresearch by a board not yet .sct idntnl the SUPVQV~ tht’ Pnltnflr' disclose the source of the quo~ ‘up. with the chairman paid the i "‘3 Shitty 0t tht’ fifth" Edward tation from the Prime Minister's .princely salary of $1.000. Thath-‘lflnd CBUSEWBY i Inked him speech. I owe it to the Chariot. its what apparently is going to i how it was coming along and he tetown Guardian and to their ‘happen. 2 "81¢ "PI‘EttY E°°d- we have 3°" editorial which appeared in yes-l I say again. Mr. Chairman. ‘01 definite plans." He also laid‘ terday’s paper and which ex- that I do not blame the Mlnls- , “It is a tremendous project and ‘_--. pressed disquietude about this ter of National Revenue it'lt is obvious that it must rel