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Vy : . “13 to, nor exit from it, he should support the resolution. He |1t shoul : Y {Jr ovIneial JJarliament. shoutd, however, be very cautious, in future, of delegating | those violent changes which had ever proved unwise where- sb gest NNN | powers to those Road Commissioners, Some of them were| ever they had been tried.

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| parental connexion with it, he might be called its grandfather, Hon. Mr. Lonewoura—The Government would issue | Nine years ago his bantling had no suppor'ers—neglected, it ‘circulars to the Commissioners, informing them that, in fa-| fel! but was not destroyed—its spirit lives, and survives to« ture, they should not expend more than the sum appropriated. ‘day in more active and healthy vitality, and has extended House met at 11 o'clock. | The sum for the completion of the Crapaud bridge was’ jr. influence to the other colonies of British North America, Bills to incorporate the Free Churches of Bedeque Road \agreed to, é! | The idea of an ¢ ective Councii was, a few years since, deein- aud New London, read a third time, and passed, | Hon. Mr. 'Puornton moved the reconsideration of the | ed most audacious by the British | arliament, as the Govern- ilouse in Committee on the Bill to amend the Act of In-| grant to the Indians, and suggested it be increased from £25 | ment claimed the power of nom en in the British Colo- corporation of the Methodist Church in P. E. Island—Mr. to £40. nies. Look at Massachusetts 10U rs | Sinclair in the Chair. Mr. McNertr said, they received a portion of the pauper | descendants of the Pilgrim Mathers, with the sume biood in Mr. Coorer observed that the Hon. Mr. "Coles was not | grants—he would oppose the addition. |their veins as ourselves, he seine’ the right then — in his place. On last ~aturday evening that hon gentleman | Hon Mr Pauwer could not see any good grounds for the | we = bow, - elect were rf asare re oe tol . . ‘ ® 2 J ° . J . , } . ' al 4 ro . 0 ! a = ade o stated “his objections to the Bill, aud at bis ee ue grant. Able-bod:ed Indians were as capable as any others) Sir William niort 4 on 4, - ws “ : “A meee di ola further comsid-ration was deferred, to afford time to parties oF earning their livelihood. Labour here is always searce. uo poeta - ae en n angry mas interes'ed to make objections—if they. entertained any— jin, should go into the fields—assist in the tillage of tne | Sion In the 2 dts Pariament was ¢ consequence, an haa i ! : eed} n> ot Sve : we 1 add to! bright constellation of Siatesmanship, wit and genius—which agains: tie Bili. It would be well, thereiore, not to proceee toil, ‘Which would improve teil own son lition, and add to| brig i Mr. Coles was v: soli, P 5 : ing them | eclipsed all former glory, and has never since been equalled wth the Bill until the Hon. Mr. Coles was present. the wealth of the country. The system of granting them | ‘ Ld glo ince b \ atlas. lerstood ve 1 iat’ Voom (lente amad avon tine engenders | im the erudition of Burke, the eloquence of Sheridan, the in- ; , ‘D— i (eariy Ts { 2m Ire Ir usual avoca $s, Us . “an . ‘ oa. . Bir. Havitanp ie ee: Oe: PEREPOtRR Om | money wears Wa poems ee ife of depende an He | tegrity of Pox, and the patriotism of Pitt. Those great Siturjay last, that if vo objections should be offered to the | habits of idleness, and prolongs a life of eee d minds were divided on this great principle of elective legis- il it 8 ceede ith nday, (yes » any just reason for coutinuing the grant, and | <a ; - a pee ye: Bill it should be proceed: d with on Monday, (yesterday.) }eould not see any just ee a dene jlation, Pit and Fox were gevat friends, but the discussion To sis Tuesday, and no objection had been made to the | wou'd not consert to its inereage, ‘ |of this principle caused a disagreement, Pity’. sheineedlie measure. Lt was introdu ed into the Legislative Council! by Mr. Conroy understood it to be the intention of the eed eee ee on ae aaa fe if . - ' ‘ i a — ‘ oe ‘ 4 i S, } the Hon. Charles Kaung an Inflncntial momber of 16 to add to the aoe EY Hot, ote tg ne ‘conjunction with all the facts in the wor!d’s history venneeh- Methodist body—and if it were at all objectionable, some | cussion the other day, to go to Supply @ . eartiong [th Hay’ Goveruimenian thist ‘de Ws pogls edvanec te: ~ a iy ; ‘ heel Ry, aoa me i ee arlge t ginal grant, | 5 Ass ; : a erik; Opposition would have been offered eve this. But such had | The Commiitee decided in adheri PO . : kaowle ige, they desire to be free. Our good and gracious ° ena - - , < . a iw his | i : : & : Se ap tics naar ee poarcee MT! Adsolom Gregory, late a preventive officer. who got his | Queen Victoria is anxious for the happiness of al] ber people. the transfer of the Methodist property of this island from |house burned, was allowed £7, on conlition that be should She. desivea -the: bdGat Wad politi*a prozress ofthe inhabi. yw teregcanerttne hangers thePapry “te a ee support his aged mother, \ tants of this Island,—-:he wishes that ail the evils of which PD Sabah an tinge tt rian Adjourned at 2, resumed at 4, when the Hon. Col. oray |they complain way be rediessed,—and among those, the . ° ° . . ae rg ‘ : ° ° ; ° \ PHORNTON had no objection to the Bill. He moved the order of the day, second reading of the Biil to auuihilation of the corrupt nominative system of the Legis- on. Mr. Fuorst i ler y, second rea es p ) g imit i re and if found to work well, it could | aiter the Constitution of the Legislative Council, by making |) tive Council—so obnoxious to the fee.ines of’ the country. Would limit it to 4 years, | alte g ati¥ | fee.ings of ntry be coutinued. | it elective. | Some will say, that the elective principle is an innovation, a The Hon, the SPEAKER did hot see any objection al the | ELECTIVE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. | reflection upon the Louse of Lords ;—wonderfal, indeed, how Bill. lt was introduced sowe few days since by members | : apa she ler of the | Very lordly they are. The House of Lords in Eng'a id began of the MethoJist connexion. No objection had since been! Ton. Mr. HAVILAND said, in moving the or oh : He | with William Rufus, being a recognition of the power of the offered, ani, therefore, there existed no valid reason to delay | day, it was unnecessary for him to makea long speech. e | princes, as he permitted them to mee: together at a. Christ. the measure had advocated the principle of an elective Legislative Council |

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' proceed, as is proposed, in dissolving the entire Council, will (only create division, and end in failure. Ts it to be supposed ‘that in such a smal! country as this is, men totally un- acquainted with the principles of legislation, who might be

|London District, who had aspired to be a representative of! the second reading of the Bill, Although claiming uo | elected—never in the House before—without experience as

legislators, could manage the affairs of the country better than those who are now in the House? Sarely it were much better that they should retire gradually, as was proposed by the bill cf last session. This course would receive the support of the present minority, as they are confirmed in the justice of the “gradual introduction of the elective principle into the Coutcil. The minority have no desire to preserve it in its present state, What have we seen the other day ?— the sale .of a Legislative Councillor ; appoinied to an office

Government, But they are called an obstructive body, be- cause they had passed an address to Hor Majesty, declaring their want of confidence in the pressnt Government. Took at the absurdity of the present system in which they had declared a want of eonfidense: a private individual, without any departmeuta! office, lays @ communication before his Excellency—a system of Government as yetyunheard of in any part of the world. We have heard of pledges, but see no acts ; this, perlraps, is the casiest of all, to send up a bill

to the Council which they know will be thrown ont, And can they-expcet otherwise, wheu they promise to give 6 members to Queen’s C yunty. and only 3 each to Prince and King’s Counties? The late Government had intended to give a fair and equitable portion to King’s and Prince Counties, a+ vacancies occurred, But if the members for these countics felt satisfied with the distribution he would not object to that part of the bill. ie Opposed it in its present shape, while he approved the principl2 of election.

Mr. COOPER was in favor of an elective Council; but he was not inclined to remove the pre-ent members as speed- ily as was intended by the bill. Sce other countries —older countries than this, presenting a standard to direct us in this particular, Look at the United States of America, where ‘hey have a principle not wubject to change. Also, Great Britain, where all is safe through the stability of a principle of administration, But here there is no fixed principle to guide us in our desire to legislate ‘aright. ‘There are 7 tineubers of the Government in this House, and none of them

, b (mas dinner, where they discussed the affairs of the nation. rhe Bill was then agreed to in Committee, and ordered for several years. At Gret he hat few a> ahcitt ap is Jobe We" | This continued till the time of King Joho when the balance to be engrossed | glad to find that the principle was gradually gaining ground. | e 4g) . j si . é i he iiouse in Supply, Hon. I. Kelly in the Chair.

| of power was aristocratic. The peop!e remonstratcd against Hou. Mr. Havitaxp moved a resolution that £107 be!bad at last go far become a convert to the principle, as to}

are responsible. The Council might be an elective body, true to the interests of the Crown, but if elected subject to the wishes of the people, and the members would flatter the people and minister to their Vanity, they would be returned ; if not, they might be certain of being rejected. They ought to have men fit to be called upon to represent the people ; the qualification, therefore, should not be too high, £700 Was out of all just proportioa to the circumstances of' the Colony. £300 would be quite enough, and would afford the people a wider range of selection, The bill should be published in @ form that might be expected to receive tho suuction of the Council, and also the Government at home. It was wrong to send it to the constituencies in a shape which it Was not expected to see realized, (To be continued.)

cratic constitution. Thus the represeatatives of the people é ' a Sates at lates tuvt. to defray the over-expenditure of the New Loudon election ; but would uot go for the whole bill. he principle | heads of the sectaries had become amalzamated with the . . ° ° : y - i 3 % », greet ia this way, he thought other districts were also en-|of Her Majesty’s Colonies, at the Cape of Good Hope, properly regulated in ail its parts-—the royal prerogative is . : z. po 4 last year that no Commtssivoe: should expand more than the | politically opposed to the thajority of this House, which re-| ifluence betwee the demand of the popular branch of the | : \ : 4 , } > : =) . } ’ accordance with that Resolutiua—the Governwent bad con- | Address,tu the Queen, condemning the conduct of the present | ein ; . home. When in Scotland, he had seen the exiled monarch | F id it shou!] be take t of the eon- | couz rt Id not obtain a constituency--the acknowledg- | : (Lou. Me. Warezan said it shoul] be taken out of the eon country, who could no y g aes Fess ; itiroue, kindred and country, and whom Great Britain, in Executive, like the debt on the bridge in Mr Couroy’s dis-; ment. The present wajority of this House, 14 of whom were| tive, li g Mr. rt teen ala tenmlenk al ‘alee tiv: re again returne on did not refuse. Both expend:tures bad been sanctioned by , elective principle, went to the hustiogs, were ag | «inte | itl id | electi il. Ti 2cessi 2 elective principle; ‘"5 House, and therefore this, like the other. should be paid jelective Council. The necessity of the elective principle ouse, 5° roper are so, not so with the rest. Look at the case of . . ig *.° F 7 Or . > P yhat 2 ? fa an wis. p | amounied to only £53; were this ali a ipited to liquidate | British statesmen of every shade of politics, whigs and tories, |

| ven the leader of the late Government, the Hon. Mr. Coles, | the ru'e of the oligarchs, and agitated a republican or demo placed at the dis,o:al of His Ex eilency and the Executive jacknowledge the necessity of fi ling up the vacancies by —the democratic commons-—became'a check upon the tords : and a majority of this House,| SPititual and temporal ; for long previous to this, the chief itoid «i striet for the past year. would, however, now comman a nrajori y hee ~ : fou. My. Wuxuas—if New London received a special | Te elective system had been established in the ae | temporal princes, to the prejudice of the democratic love 9! : . c,-, | freedom. Thus the British constitution is well balanced ~ ed to the like favor. Australia, and Canada. The principle was very manceeary “ha Hon the Speaken—The House came toaresolution|here, where the Legislative Council had a large majority kept within due bounds, but not subject to any hursh re- i , 'y. Look at | Strvaint; the power of the Lords exercises a con ‘IiMatory in- amount of the appropriation, without the consent of the presented tho polities! sentiments of the country. ; aa at ; Government, The amount asked for in this instance was iv | the recent conduct of those gentlemen : they had adopted an |legislature, and the will of the sovereiza; and under this ; ‘ “cool impudence, indeed, on} L0@Utifully arranged fabii2 -~ the palladium of universal ected to the over-expeuditure, and thus the debt should be | Government. It wae pitne e coo pope oe epee |liberty—the oppressed of every nation find refuge and a| paid. the part of those individuals! who have no influence im the ; |of France—conversed with him, one of the chief a &:l-tratcs | tingencies. ed pvominees of a party—who do not ~ ae eer lof a mighty natiou—whow adverse fate had driven from a! lion. Mr. Havitanp—The outlay was by consent of the! life—removable at pleasure, to condemn the present Gove: | , ; dged themselves to the| the overflowing Kinduess of her vast imperial heart—forgett- trict, amounting to £168, which the presout Government} returned in the short. session, pledged themselvcs to {ing all national antipathies—opened wide ber Zeuerous a: ms, sain t! singinie. at Las fand received him as @ parent em Sraces his offspring, bestow. tue late Government, confurmably to « resolution of the! with four more, bound to carry out the principle ing-upon him acts of Jove and kindness. The lords aie aie sho oF elt here, but acknowledged in Great Britain, |@!! hereditary in the British empire. The British branch | The apprcpriation for the New London district this year! was not only felt here, but acknowledg . : ve ; - i treland and Scotland, where many of them are elective—jn the debt of last year, there would sili remain a balance due/and Roebuck—considered a radical—all are unanimous io

teed " tN '{reland for life, in Scotland for a term of years. But it of more than £20; aud what was ze done with their | their support of the elective principle. The wag “Bac would be too tedious to enter at present into the various de- roa's loves lor the pre-eut year ? | castle felt its necessity, and nad recommended es at éails, in illustration of the mode and difference of the elective tani! | recs cos a ved of it ; and the great Kari ,

ray : : ® ve Set fe as tak H oa yuton had also appro a Lsi-—ine reason for the larze excess o expenais) of arring , abi 268 ae aq | prine . , . r was OWluy to three bridges having fallen. The/of Derby, looked upon as the very essence of toryism, had House of Lords in England are elective, which overturns Was wei i \ 4 a°4 gee —_* = °* — 4 - > * S ( . > ’ year ‘was not able to weet such unseen | given it the sanction of his name; and the illustrious Lord jevery argument advanced to show that the adoption of the ron ia a ‘ Vi C . i - . > ' : a > . . . pprop: the Commissioner applied to the Executive for} Brougham had advocated the same view in the debate 04 | asaties prineiple in the Colonies is in the slightest degree ~4 4: DILIECS—LEC vu is J, tO ‘ j = v 2 . ae : : +3 st1se | . ; "> r to carry owt the necessary repairs—it was grauted— | the Elective Council for Canada. It was now for the House | derogatory to thejHouse of Lords. But it is above a] things yc eV aay VU = i> 0

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jusiice ihe district shouid not be called upon to pay |to decide whether the old obsolete effete yeretecr Ware = | aecessary, that both branches of the Legislature here should it of the debt out of the appropriation of the present. everywhcre—shall be allowed to coutinue any longer in P. | k barmoniously togetuer; and is this to be expected,

: : : | Wor Bos é K. Island. He should yo tor the iufusion of new blood into | constituted as the other end o! the building is at present ?— the Council, Two denounations—one nominative, the a | it $s impossible, 1¢ is absurd, to suppose that such éan be the . . ° E ‘ ‘ ' i 2 y 8 foun to! , $ at ; e +t) 2 g a8 bid been stated by the Hon. Mr. Haviland, without any jelective—are too antagonistic, and would ot be try, ang | case. Yet the interests of the people must be protected, aud Provision for the pre-ent year egree in carrying out the lezislation : af prin t ze as all are fequally affected iu the adversity or prasperity of , oe a ; Sania iments of the people. was ¢ 2 seeks . Mr. SincLatx thought the over-cxpenditure had been too | could never represent the sentiments Cee b bers | the state, the people should have a Voice In the ‘ppointment ote Lu his district £20 had been taken out of the ap-|aot, perhaps, in consonance in ali its*details with members AP thaaé whp"mnaks thé ines to which they are bound to sab- 419 i s C és ad v ’ t = eee, Ss 1 . a ‘iation for bridge. He would not object to allow a{on his side of the House. It proposed to give six members mit, Responsible Government will never succeed ia bless- propriation . a bi 8 . ked for, but the whole amount,|to Queen’s County, and three each to King’s and Prince ing the Colony while there ig such diversity in the Councils portion im oe — ” 7 fy se Fesicly ub ed eal Seated {t provides that the members shall be elected by claieibe the majority in the Council act in concert with the mate d winks £50, 9 levees £65, being the amount for| the whole county. The distribution of me ¥ ae 5 minority of this House; and being convinced of the evil of Satis le e ‘ r ' ’ . 5 . “ + 7 ] 318 o Te- « ety is the comple ion of the bridge. ' upon population and wealth—-the only true ee: if th,| such a system, he could uot sanction the existence any longer Be ut "A Loxgwonta heard the Hon. the Speaker state, | presentation. Tbe last census gave Queen s County half the of the Legislative Council, as it is constituted at present ; ue. Mr. Mop yin > had an ordered by the late | population of the Islaud, aud her agriuultural wealth Was in and wken the right bas been conceded to ns of ruling oar- that the y ae ihe t a meee Peele greater ratio. This would give King’s and Prince Counties selves, shall we not be a compact, a united body ? and not re - ; : : _ i 7 ‘ 2 - . . . Sen deed ; and thougiit also that the Government , more than they have at present ; beth have only four under chant. tevaiied degradation ol oeing torn into shreds and that hon. eve per i din mieoien: cho expenditure, by re-| the late liberal Government, being one third ; this would give patches,-—shall we have no more coherence than sand 2 And were pertectly Justified in orde; os seb thie Dintet | Hidle Gna Salt” Ti qualifications of the electors would not | shall we submit any longer to the nominative system ? Oe" emglattl ate dara ‘be changed, the same machinery by which members are 7] Mr. COLES—The gentleman who had just sat | , trol, | D » : nelltiadl s a iat on. Mr. 4u3—The ge : sg ane 7" Tuornton—They had heard of no special | turned to this House should — in Sea | sate Liesl Unis" Fa taakk deter tahanihouiak th hia| grauts; but here is one to a very large amount, although | ing the franchise: vow male have eit cial be,/own wind, respecting the British constitution, and had he | they had been told it would be better this year to take the | Legislative Councillors. — re a be ona high : his | been after enjoying one of those good old Knuglish Christmas : expeuses for the repair of bridges out of the road money. | as fixed by the bill, oe id “ saliiciont Alter the | dinnets—like: the princes of yore with Rufus—with abuad- | Here we are, said tke hon gouiiewan, the members for | OWn opinion that a ee be divided into three| ance of wine, he would, no doubt, be in a better mood still King’s County, wish a very stu! grant: uppropriating £3 first election, the mem sh. The first to retire at the end/ to descant upon the constitution in discussing the bill. The | for Sturgeou bridge, and £10 ior Mou ague bridge. | sections, by lot, of re eacn. 4 Re third at the end of nine House of Lords have often differed with the Commons, but i , is , as at sIx, an z s : t |of three, the second a , The Hono. the Speaker said, ine mew. rs of ine Distric | should apply a portion of their appropriation to liquidate the | years

he | When a Councillor was elected, he would retain his|in the 7 they a a anne £0 ate for at the il, and also the bi emancipa ede debt, and the Committee ought to have no objection to pay | seat until be should legally retire, or when be would become | Reform Bill, au P ebt, and the Comm ;

ii -o, and that they applied the whole, it would be ia- éuffivient to pay the amount, leaving their roads and bridges,

ws, by (a bankrupt; and the Council could be dissolved only by the allowing them to serve in Parliament. He was io favor of | the-remainder. ’

: ee i the elective principle, and although he oe mom em Mr. Owen would ve the oe of re 5-0 pt | abe Mr. THORNTON—The gentleman who had intro-| were elective, and that they were returned as the members | £65, and the remainder ought, 1m justice, be take . ,

- . . * . } ‘duced the bill kuew very little about constitutious. The here to represent the people—in expressing their opinions | their money. -

i inst the power of the| Dee wp ; : House ot Lords}—there would be no protection against t power ’ i im a gr: slative Council in the Colonies, like the “i eee 5 t the principle of election, but Be oe re eaten had Bet “= be ee fies a motker country, was a break-water, to oppose the | Crown ; 1g bapa ees uted b of wr ' 89 . : “He shoal a oe SG cuen earat Mae h hould follow power of the Crown in making any inroads upon the privi- ones ever, to see men placed in a position where they of a appropriation of £40 ; and, therefore, he s thers as he leges of the people. Not so, however, with Ltgislative, wis ‘ ~ . eee sppess theimunened the non | the good old’. chtiitiie ee eee Ameuiiies or with the British House of Commons. It would fee ti d this is what is contemplated by rome wey thculd-do-ame uim--eeil teltboasid to at tten ba pe ned, that whenever unpopular measures were or their se rey te ; oe he Gumnit: dnion ated ar 0 lappe » that . f' the present bill. ou want ‘ thou was a certainty 0 Pp ; is La : i : i — sed by the Minister, and that there was a ce Lit in it? of the bill in this House Waew sid, ihe read a7SIE Eas GNP aaa, iain ‘in the event of failure of the ministerial policy, y o. es a ’ pac A pre, SA for a moment, that een a oa ca ut im aap that the members, in opposition to their conviction, -— " it ait es a ie sanction of the other branch of the Legis- uy suould £2 2 la wy f the people were sacrifice e < : ted by the . re: xt ? and thus the best interests o P infusion of lature? The House of Lords in England, as sta y ag bas hap ell a Mandl sis fri litical expediency. But they were to have an infusion of la MecAui: artly elective, and such shou d te sacs Ole. Havinanp—It was no wonder his friend, the political exp ; ars, with the power given to the Hon, Mr. MeAulay, are partly : aoe we ‘ol G " , : It new blood every three years, : Janada he the case here too. If the introducer of the measure be sin- tioo. Col, Gray, fele indignant at the system. ‘he fau ' : inting their own President. In Canada he the : aD d then he ma , } lof appointing their he should carry it out as in Canada, and then y resed with the iate Government. Couneil , Oa the whule, he was not op- cere, ; Semana : the Crown. S . ‘ r at en f the Legislative Council; but to’ i ee Sei rcen eee ie ‘ ante Gr eletive Council, but it should not be all atonce; expect the eo-operation of the Leg to the bridye at Lewis Ferry, whieh bad neither an approac , posed

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| DEBATE ON THE FISHERY RESERVE QUESTION,

( Concluded.) Monnay, April 25.

Hon. Mr. JOHNSON—I do not see that the Government have a claim to the Jand. As I read and understand the words by which the Reserve is made in the original grauts, the reser- vation 13 not the land itseif, but a privilege to erect upon the five hundred feet from lughwater mark, on the coast of the tract of lind granted by the original deed, stages and other neces- sary buildings for carrying on the Fishery ; the right to the soil being in the proprietor or tenant. I certainly cannot see how any other construction can be put Upomthe words by which the reservation is made.

iis Honor the PRESIDENT—Hig Honor then does not hesitate to set up his Opinion in Opposition to that of the law- officers of the Crown, Sir’ Frederick Pollock and Sir William Pollet, who, in 1843, gave it as their opinion that the fee smple of the land reserved is in the Crown, —an opinion which has never before, | beiieve, been impugned. His Honor set out by professing almost entire ignorance of the question, and modestly requested to have its nature explained to him. Wei!, now, although a very reasonable share uf explanation has been

afforded him, and such too as I think would have served to place

the question in its true light before almost any other enquirer, his Honor sill professes ignorance of it. But might he no’, with greater propriety adit that he has allowed his mind to be imbued with so strong a prejudice against the measure, that bot even the most indisputable facts and the most convincing arguments would induce him to acknowledge that there is any thing sound, just, or equitable in it.

Hon. Mr. DINGW EL.L—Proprietors have sold and Jeased the reserved lands, to which they must have known very well, from the plain and unm/stakable meaning of the words by which the reservations are made, that they had no claim whatever as proprietors ; and no reasonable person, | think, can honestly stand up in defence of their assumptions in thet respect - indeed a few reasonabie mer among themselves adimit the iu.- propriety aud injustice of such proprietary assumptions.

Hon. Mr. JOiINSON—Have proprietors ever prevented fishermen from freely carrying on their avocation Upon the Reserves ?

‘ion. Mr. DINGWELL—Proprietors have sold the fee sinple of such Reserves, when they must have known the fee simple thereof was retamed in the Crown ; aad the persons who have bought, or are inthe use and occupation of euch Reserves, are liable to be dispossessed by the Government, who ey at any time grant licenses to fishermen to occupy them for fishing purposes. Proprietors have unjustly leased, and received rents for, such Reserves; or they have unjustly sold and re- ceived Payment for them. Lither act was illegal and criminal ; and, were ihey to be dealt with according to criminal law, not only would they be compelied to make restitution, with interest, of what moneys they have illegally and frauculently exacted and received: but they would also be punished for the crim:

ality of the deed.

é said, Mr. JOHNSON—What I wish to know is—can the fishermen be prevented, either by landlurd or tenant from carry: ing on the business of fishing on the Reserves ? or, is the question merely to whom rent for the Reserves ought to be paid ?

Hon. Colonel SWABEY—I will, once more, endeavcur to make his Honor understand what] hope to be pardoned for saying he seems most strangely unwilling to comprehend. There are two classes of Reserves. In the first, 500 feet from highwater mark are reserved for the disposal of the Crown for fishing purposes : and the fee simple of such Reserves has, by the highest legal authorities been declared to be in the Crown. With respect to this class of Reserves, Lord Glenelg in a Despatch dated 8th January, 1838. says, ‘‘ These lands have been reserved tothe ( rown, and they must be considered as forming a part of the Territorial Revenue which should be em- ployed in the publie service, in whatever manner may be most compatible with @ prudent and economical use of them. And,

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