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i. Iwasvcryblessedlhecl-hereven-

in! when thoirreinier referred back

‘ M; ourpericd of administration. and

to; ‘outside audit taken at that time, _ss a basis from which he might figure. Mien the some... Govern- ment came into powsr they very wisely went to work andnnade a spe- cie} outside audit of idqpartinents. if you will turn toTiisliy-tof the revert c! J-heir ._suiii,firs. mam. Podlsil-nd dearth, will) l ‘find that the am of, this on Aug. 1s. ice-i, was ts,oio,cs'o~.e'c.'lz believe

. the Premier used this very; statement

thocther night,» ho must agree that it 1s conectiifow" at the end of

- the fiscal year am" whauiio we find ' the debt to be, as represented by the

robin Accounts. case is. _ E Romans LEA: ‘Phat is tho-liabil- ity; not net debt. p. ,3}

am. uonuas: I an this awry. w. speaker. "ins of Agriculture ballyhooed this nodal. for three hours last night. 404i: did not interrupt him; Surely he can show me the same courtesy. The amount of debentures at thatftime

' was $1,000,000. The highway debent-

ure debt was $1,100,000; making a total of-0l,l00,000. Then we ,. must _tako into account the sinking‘. funds on ordinary, debentures and highway debentures} amounting to . 0523.404, _s totslfof $1,085,500.90. Also, there-was duo the .banks__at the end offline the slnnicfjaflaml. and due on short rloans $844,042. These amounts snake

"i total: indebtedness of cases-mom,

according to the Public Accounts as we have them brought down and tabled. IN “.55: '09.? 71501-"11" _\.*-~ri‘ir~§'-'; a ‘ V m _ Now let us go back two years an four months, in Aug. 12, i927, and we find thl debt to be $2,020,600. Subtract this from the indebtedness atthoendoflmandwohhvsan increase in debt for the two ‘years and four months of the Saunders Government oi $530,700. rho Prem- ier and I agree on the first basis: I used the same figureathat he used. and I think he rnustacospt his own statements in the Public Accounts showing that the liability or debt of the Province ls_ now $2.558,'ff0; or an increase of iiebt for twenty-eight months of $080,100. (Applause). l And that is not all. ‘ we had no outside audit at tho end of the fiscal year. If we had, we onthis --.-..__‘_------.--~

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aidaoftheflcusewouldnotlhavsto search through the Public Accounts to, find whether or not there was lhyi-hinl else that should have been included. I! we look into these Ac- counts we find some items that have beencarrisdcvenfthinkfsmrighs when I say that there is one item 01°09 0f 8391000. carried over from 1029 to i030; that was the payment 01' subscription to the sabatoiium Commission. I do not find any record of ‘that $29,000 b91118 Paid in 1020. $1.000 of the $30,000 grant was paid, according to the Public Accounts; and this makes s liability or a, dam Ollltilflnsoretcbsaddedtothe $580500.

BQN. MR. LEPAGE: Home flgup. ins!

MR. MCLURE: Well, it may be some figuring, but it is your own fig. urea, taken from your own Public Accounts as audited by the Proyln. clal Auditor; and if my hon, friends‘ are going to refute those figures, what can we sly that the Public Accounts are worth‘! (Applause).

carols Bills.

In addition to the figures that l have given, there, are unpaid bills which, without the outside audit, we have no means of calculating, but which would probably raise the in- crease in debt under this Govern- ment to over $000,000. However, I am not Icing to assume anything; I am going to hold them to their own Public Accounts, which show an in- crease of $530,700.

HON. MR. LEA: Will my hon. friend allow a question. is he now ‘dealing with the liabilities or the net debt?

HON. MR. STEWART: You don't know the difference; you showed

. that very clearly last night. c . 1m. bliss. W, ’ iliows

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non. ma. smwanr: 1 will give you aglesson in figuring before the House rises.

HON‘. MR. IsliA: lesson from you.

MR. MCLURE: 1f the cross-firing has subsided, I will resume my re- marks. with regard to the statement of my hon. friend the Minister of Agriculture, I think I know what s debt is as well as he docs. I think I know what a liability ls; and I think I know what a net liability is. We have had some very fine defin- itions given o: those things; but we cannot argue sway the debt of the r by fine -‘---" and it is no use for those lion. gentlemen to say that they did not increase the debt of the Province by $530,100, ac-

! don't heed a

> cording to their own Public Accounts.

I was just saying that this was for a period of twenty-eight montlis,~the thne that they were in power. Now I am going to use the words of the Premier himself when he was mak-

‘ fore, iioos not include the

ing a speech with regard to thedebt incurred by the Stewart Government. He figured it out to so much a month and so much a week. Let us ‘Jcllcw that COmPlIlnvsa for a. mo- ment. The mortgage or debt placed on this Province for the twenty- elght months that this Government has been in power cunts to $20.- 000 every month. That is not their expenditure; we have their expend- iture besides that; but the actual increase in debt. Mr. Speaker, ‘that they have placed on this Province over the period of their reglniofo Dec. slat last avenged $00,000 every mouth. m us take it down to ov- ery day. Sundays included; because they did not seem to’ respect the sabbath Day. aha tho debt rolled

up just the same. They mortgaged h

this Province to the extent of $1 every day. (Applause). That wn the way the Premier made his‘ compari laon, and by his own figuring, and

. from his own accounts, we arrivsiai.

this caloulatldli. which. ll i said be.- lsnplld bills. .

l sxcssonio was serum-res

hirtiilrmcre. on M8014» hart s of the PublfinAocouuls-wpfiod a rs- csiiiuilstieu ofJapeneituss, aaa we fies-pisses that tbs ososasltsroasa- IPII! III Fill"! 01.01.10.10- llcwnilr- lumber. I cocteaatnst

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i-liatJ-iad to be confronted, bad any right or licens to exceed! those lib- tiinates to the tune of over seventy- three “ ousand dollars. That was an expenditure that could only have been incurred by extravagant admin. fstratlon of the public affairs. Continuing the debate on Wednes- day evening, Mr. McLui-e said; .Mr._'_speaker,' when the House ad- iourned at o o'clock I was referring the finances, and particularly to the debteof the Province for the last fim-i year and. also the debt that hld, been-piled up for the twenty- eisht inpnths of the regime of the present Government. I was showing time figures as‘ compiled by their own auditor and taken from the Pub- lic Accounts. andtbo result we. ar- rived -at was-that the indebtedness for the fiscal year ending Dec. 31st 1m was some 8246.000. 1 showed al- so, from their oWfllludlt of Aug. 12. 1927, that they had increased the debt during their period of power by $538,100, plus the unpaid bills of which we have no record although occasionally we find traces of some of them. This indebtedness can be proven another way, as has already been shown by members of the Op- position during the present debate. In view of these facts, I thought it very strange that hon. members on the other side should argue that the debt did not increase, but that there was actually a surplus. If the debt has not increased, as some of them have tried to explain, I would like to know why it is that we are now paying in straight interest some $13,- 000 per annum morsthan we used to pay. rs that inmost being paid on asmalier debt, or is it being paid ;ou an increased debt that has been 'placed upon this Province by the present administration? (Applause).

LIBERAL LIABILITIE! The Minister of Agriculture, in

blamed the. Conservatives for in- creasing the debt and taxation. 1 dealt with this matter last year, and I shall not weary. the House by re- peating what I said at that time. I endeavored in showtbat this Gov- ernment, and in fact all Liberal Gov- ernments in this Province, have been what we might term "DI." Gov- ernments; "debt and taxatioif-not

erium . treineus." -_u someone

Taxation" has been their motto. You can go back into ancient political history, and you will find that Lib- eral Governments gave us about 90 per cent of the entire indebtedness that this Province is loaded ilown with. so far as taxation is concern- ed, it was the Conservatives, time and again, who reduced the taxes; because the Liberals always looked for increased revenue from the wrong source and kept piling on taxes so that when the Conservatives came into power the first thing to do was implement their pledges, as they al- ways did, and reduce the taxes. llbr these things we are blamed. Howev- er, I shall deal with that point later on.

I There was a bill before this House which received second reading the other day. if there is no indebted- ness, Mr. Speaker, why should they be asking for the right to issue an additional $200,000 in bonds? 'I‘he Opposition strenuously objected, not only lo the borrowing of this money, but to the rate of interest that they included in their bill. The House di- vided on the question. The Opposi- tion wanted the leader of. theiGov- _ernment to limit the interest rain to 5 per cent; but they were; insistent. and having a majority they put it through at ill/s per cent. The junior member from the Cardigan District mentioned the fact that I had asked. with reference to thatbili": "Where could we find a better bond to sell than the bonds of Prince Edward Is- land?" I claim thstveiy thing, and l now ask: Why. should my hon. friends have so little faith in Prince Edward island that they should want to iiiisr our bonds at m w cent interest, when Nova scoila and New mica-nos are soiling their bonih at spar cent; and the zbondl are over oar-at tbrprosent time‘! ft is just: llOillef instance of utter lack of fin- auelai ability on the part of this Government.

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‘there was another ‘ilom with re- ference to provincial expenditursa which I mentioned, and to which 1 wlaiito refer sgaiibjrhat was with reference to pill ‘is of the Public Accounts, whore it,‘ is shown that the expenditures sirceeded tbs estimates by-aoise til-Mil. Iciaim, m. spoon- sr, that no: Government had any right-or liesnsoito exceed. those ss-

deallng with the finances last night,

ilisteu for the future. m us hops at

on the a kless, extravagant

present time,

was dealing with the finance last. night I noticed that he kept clear of 1 endeavorlng to prove that we had a surplus of some $3,700. Perhaps he forgot about it; or probably he ww. like a good many of the rest of us.- he didn't believe that there was s surplus. i

liobbiug Peter to Pay Paul.

A few moments ago I referred to the matter of the external audii. Last year the Premier boasted cf the fact that he had saved the Province from an expenditure of $300 by no‘. having this audit made. Now we all. know that an external or independ- ent audit is the one means by which the public can secure knowledge of the actual state of our finances. If you will turn to page 0, part 1, oi the Public Accounts for this ycar. you will see something very 1111.21- estlng with reference to the audit We find there an item of 52.0702. paid to a chartered accountant foil services rendered. Now I want to ask, the Premier: Altair his boasting of’ having saved $300 in January, 19:10.; on an external audit, has he wipes out that. saving and added twenty- threo hundred dollars to the expend- iture this year by engaging an out- side accountant? If that is his man- ner of saving money for the rrov- lnce. l fail to scs why we should not have an external audit. If it ‘costs $300, or even $500, it would be better to have hwd that audit at the prop- er time, and thus avoid a lot o! complications and extra expense. why was it necessary to expend 02.- 610 on a chartered accountant dur- lug the year? We have not yet re- celved a full report of that audit, but no doubt before this session rises we will get this report.

manuals-s sb-roscosm:

While I am on the finances there is another item I would like to deal with; and I regret that the ldader of the Government is not in his seat, as the matter should be of interest to him. On page 10, part s of- the Public Accounts we find,4__in' C, '- slflcation of Expenditures, an I tom concerning the Premier himself,- the sum of $1800 for an automobile. It does not say o. "Government au- tomobile" in the Public Accounts, but the “Premier's automobile." Now, Mr. Speaker, I would not mcn- tion this matter were it not for the fact that during the Stewart GOV- rnment regime and particularly dur- ing tbs campaign of .1027 we heard agrest deal about s. car that the present "leader of the-Opposition had during the last two years he was in power. In fact, I was at a political

eeting in the country and there were several speakers who took from ten iothirty minutes in telling us about this terrible thing-the buying of a car for the Premier of the Province. I would like to bring forcibly back to the hon. members on the other side of the I-lousc that campaign of 1927 and the manner in which they harped on this aub- ject at practically every meeting and with all the eloquence that they could muster. One thing that they made very much of was that some four or five hundred dcflars of the money that went to purchase this car was taken from the Prohibition Commission; and that made the sin all the greater. However, when you go over the Public Accounts of last year you will find that some $16,- 000 was taken by this Government from the Liquor Comminion to en- hance their revenues. Do we know whether “I00 of that 010,000 ‘was taken to purchase a new car? It was par-g of the Prohibition revenue; they put it into the general revenue of the Province and they pald $1000 out-of the general revenue for a ear for my hon. frieladllle Premier. (Apolmel-

Iour Salaries; One Man.

The point, Mr. Speaker, is this. irrespective of Pr - that have gone, of Premiers now or Premiers to come. In the face of our present riiglflclll position we must remem- ber that the leader of the Govern- ment occupies a dual posltionand drawsfroin this. Erwin» louvre!- aries a year. lie receives $0,000 for being Premier: 01.500 for being At- torney General: $000 tn sessieeasi In- demnity‘ and another sail?! of a smaller amount for being trustees! Isloonwsod ilospltaiawly. with our limited mama ca» baa been‘ tso subject of so muehiisounisi, should ibis rmiaoo aavoiosarsistern oyivsiocar roi- nonunion-was that so sighs commits from 0hr-

i least that there will“ be aomo-checlii e-: lturea of the Government at the’

When the Minister of Agriculture‘

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APRIL 28th to MAY s...

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that is not allJWho paid for the re-

pairs, the gas, the oli and other necesaariur ’ We do not yet know who paid for these items, but. I sup-

pose, lf we dig through the Public Accounts, we will find where these are buried, like a. good many other things. What right, Mr. Speaker, haveth6'.-. J-ha’ the fallen of this Province to pay for cars used privately by any Minister of the Crown or by the Premier him- self? It is all very well to say that they deserve these cars; but there are few of us who can afford to get. a new car every year; and I would like to know what happened to the old car, the Premier's car that was left there when the Stewart Gov- ernment went out of officer and which was practically new at that time. Our Public Accounts, so for as I could delve into them, show no

| trace of where the old car has gone.

These are matters that may not be of thegrealest and most vllsl im- portance, but my hon. friends, in their political campaigns, always stressed them very strongly, and for that reason l mention them tonight. ‘rhero are other automobiles in the service of other Ministers of the Crown, but we will deal with them in the different departments under which they come.

Farmer and Agriculturisl.

Probably we can have a few word." to say with regard to that department that received considerable attention last evening; that is the Department of Agriculture. We have been told that we on this side of the House had no right to discuss agricultural questions, because none of us are farmers. Well, if we are not farm- ers, some of us may be agricultur- ists; and after all, -there is not a great deal of difference between an agriculturlst and a farmer. They

say that a farmer is a man who earns his money in the country by the sweat of his -brow, and spfilifls it in the city; while an sgriculturlst is one who earns his money in the ‘city and blows it in the country. (Laughter). 8o you see there ls not much difference; and as far as I am concerned, I would just as soon be tho agriculturlst as the farmer. At the same time, I think we on this side of the House have a right

s u: say something with regard to Ag-

riculture, whether we be quallfltd l! farmers .cr not. . .'i‘hs Minister of Agriculture is a real practical farmer. As he told this House the other night, he hss beef. in the dairy business for thirty-six years; and any man who has de- voted that much time to agricultur- al work is entitled to be called, not