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BUDGET DEBATE u MR-ll-

Allatrtllaa Treat!-

Thc Australian treaty has been Growers. . mentioned here verromn." find 1

We have heard a lot about what suppose my hon. friends _ on the the present Minister of AgrIcuItureKothel-‘slde 0f the H011" MW‘ the gull rol- the Potato Growers Associa- reasons. thet- , were W! fol‘ ti"! tion. , ago,’ nut Association was an infantthe refidl-UUOB W05 bmushrmre ed to toddl ro ndthe, useofcommmln Re ed

Eli-ax '1" sure my hznffriznd; soldigifll in Australia. ‘it was chirped‘.

rhea t th l e we starting outtto grow raisins an $5,‘ t.» dlllflllfilther; were anxious to find a_market M8 four years‘ retirement. So l do fur these raisins in‘ Canada. The not think the Potato Growers’ As-lAi-stralian Government ‘asked Can- soclatlon has lost anything throughhlm. to increase the, duty on Otfhflvl the chang of Ministers during that raisins and give theirs the pre el- em ' a “s. 2." .322‘. .2: The ' Department of Agriculture agrecmen as me. r

‘was not the only department which‘ duty on our pulpwood and other we were-able to find means to assist-i articl cs into Australia. It was men- tc. a greater extent than the Bell tloneil in the dexbate that‘ the object . . I ihti reducing t ose u es was" o

m [rijglslarttlfllelrelt of Eldluga- rtxlake the breakfast table In Canada "lion. In that department about cheaper The remark was made in

(Continued from page l) Hon. Mr. Lea and the PM!"

When he was here four yausnegotiatibns for th ‘ ‘treaty ‘when t

$38,859 more per-yeanon an averageJ was paid out during the four years of‘ the Conservative regime than dur- ing ‘Yul-Boll Adntlnistratlo .

We had a lot of figures from the

the House that had Mr. Robb swapped the Canadian Government for the Australian Government he would have made a rnucli better bargain for Canada than he did in

Minister of Public Works a short time ago; I have not got them here. but" he figured up the amount spent cn the roads by districts and by counties last year. and he made the statement that a tremendous amount of this money was s _nt< in onder to “buy" the Stewart overhmsiltinto power. The on. Minister will cor- rect mc if I-am-wro .-but I think his figures totalled up, o about $60.- 000 . - ~: I: l w

that treaty. Now the Canadian dairymen are finding out that that was so: they are commencing to suffer from this Australian treaty. Like my colleague and some others in this House. I was rather surpris- ed at the attitude which the Minis- ter of Agriculture took at the meet- ing of dairymen in Charlottetown on this matter. It is a matter that has been up before other dairy associa- _ . ticns and a matter u on which fairy _ _ c1 TyRE; 40,000 aljappear to be fa rly'a one in o er thgPtlmle/lr‘ M - - 3 - parts of Canada." that the treaty is against their interests. and that something should be done tp relieve the situation. '

Road Expenditure Iustifled.

MR. McLEAN: The impression the Minister tried to convey wasaltéhat ' this was a tremendous expen ure . on the roads. It was money spent, The hOB- will?" "Qm 91° Fm,“ in election year, lnorder to,win our DUtrwt bf ueens.‘.1}ld8lh.3,"°m h“ way back to power; If thlfwas not remark! °nv hlbltldfizabpeared t” his inference, there was no occaslon'tl‘llnk_ ‘that "the terms Temperance lGI making the statement at-ail. rqlllllance and clergyman were might be well m review our roauysyht-n 0115- Th“ ha! been the, expenditures and seejusthow much 9W, _0 throughout the,‘ election truth there is in this. m the mszucsnplpfllan of the 131m- member W1 place, during our term we lnaugulf- the Llbfirll Pill-Y 371975-113’, °n the ated a system of road patrol. During fmmpfltlllfifl qtleetlcll- Btly anything the teml of the Bell Government,‘ lbalhflt Prohibit"? and W" a" the Opposition called this matter to nttifllrlns the church. you are et-

Alliancc Caesar ‘Stabbed. '

their attention time and time again. At ‘ promised thatsome‘; li' "‘f r upy-‘f keep of thcnliads?» 5 , ‘ooh.- sideration; andthey llepfi-Qfllfllder-

went out of office. We i "ugnramo s, patrol systeniindln 192 we spent“ on the roads $30,338, and on patrol $22,425, making a total of $52,763. In I926 there was spent on the roads £11,008 and on patrol $20,608. or_.'a total of $59,016. That shows an in,- cresse in the patrol work between 1925 and 1926 as our policy develop- ed. and it also shows that the ex- penditure which my hon. friends

purposes last year was no more than

fcr election purposes at all. and so far as the expenditure in that de- partment for that year ls concerned, I can say for our own district. that very little road work was done pre- vious to the election. There was less work than usual at that season going on at the time of the election cam- paign. That was called to the at-

after session, Mr. Bell‘

m; y; and cgngfdgflng 1pm,,“- they-DCIICYIGS were filing down‘ t3 the

charge us with making for elcotionmfimrtflllafely "5 also

11m m-dlnny gxpgndjuu-g {or madslfor political purposes, of which this and patrol work. It was not done

ta g the clergy, you are attack- ‘ werythlng, that is _good and sac- ed‘ A few days afterwards, the hbnkmember hfmsel and'a whole cohort‘ of members along the cross

Temperance Alliance me‘ ihg. to ‘tee Caesar stabbed. I suppose you might call it-_—to see the President and the Secretaryof the Alliance voted _down at that meeting.

"Now that is the onl objection that we‘ have on this si e' of the House to the Temperance Alliance.

e all realize and ‘recognige that the Temperance Alliance (iohtalns verygocd and sincere pco c; but contialfis a number who use the organization last meeting was an outstanding ll- lustratlon.

It has been mentioned here that the first Prohibition Act was passed about theyear 1900. I can remem- ber. though I was not in politics my- self. about that time, that just be- fore elections, this same Temperance

MR. McLEAN: No: any difference i, only seasonal.‘ ‘I want to telflny hon. rrltha this. that the same Tem- perance Alliance and nlembe s op- posite who were l0 “"0"! WDWPd to Stewart’: policy during the election campallll never out any fight against the Liberal par at Ottawa after the revelations of the

Cunt andale for better tern- ' penal: t:

en they’had an oppor- tunity in 1926. My hon. friend knows that Las I do.

I10 . . LEA: Because the laws of Prohibition were not at stake.

Mp, N: T ‘flquor was colptgql r_ “the country. floodinl

he, pp y, and your Liberal friends at Ottawa were responsible.

MR. McLiJRE: A “moral question" (Laughter) ' " '

MR- McLEAN: Yes! Another thing that has been said is that the Conservative party always take off taxes when they are going out of of-

flco, or promises to take them off, toi

"buy" their way into power. Now I can remember, and the Minister of Agriculture can remember. too, that in 1915 Premier Mathieson had t0 calla special sessionof the House to enact a War and Health tax be- cause of conditions brought about by the war. What attitude did our

eluding the Minister of Agriculture? He knows that they opposed that measure, tooth and nail. and kept;

terwards. Tlic Poii Tax.

We also were honest enough to go to the country with an educational tax and ask the people for permis- eion to put it on. We put" that in our platform, went to the country on it, and were defeated-not in our county on that question but we were defeated because of the mis- representations made against this tax in other parts of thelsland. The people were told, and we have been told atthis session, that it was defeated because we did not tax the towns. Well, that is the lamest ex- cuse I ever heard.

HON. MR. LEA: Why?

MR. McLEAN: How much Poll Tax did you collect out of the town of Summerside the first year the Poll Tax was put on?

MR. L. R. ALLEIWI paid my tax. I have my receipt from the officer.

HON. MR. LEA: My hon. friend ls altogether astray.

MRCMcLEAN: I will make this statement, that the blue book-z ul the Government will not show ally tax collected In several towns in this Island during several years of the Bell Government administration.

HON. MR. LEA: I-Ie is altogether astray. , .‘

MR. McLEAN: No.1 am not.

HON. MR. MnlNTYRE: I risc to a point of order. I will ask myilon. friend what was collected in Char- lottetown the last year we were ln°

MR. McLEAN: That is not a point of order. The statement I made was that there were several incorporated towns that had never paid in one cent of Poll Tax in certain years. but apart from that altogether. Char- lottetown was paying c nsiderable more to teachers than t e country districts. They were paying a high- er educational tax; because the teachers in Charlottetown were re-

Govemment was paying in the coun- try districts. The statement of thc Minister of Agriculture was that the tax-payer would pay more under the educational tax proposed by the Arsenault Government than under the Pcll Tux of the Bell Govern- ment. That statement is not cor- rect.

Alliance would be galvanized.‘ sud- denly into life in thelnterwt, of the

ltention cf the people at meeting af- ter meeting and had. I consider. a good deal to do with electing both my colleague and myself, because we called it to the attention of the people that during the previous elec- ticn thc Bell Government. into des- perate endeavor to win the election, turned out an army of men on about a quarter of a mile of the Bouris Beach to gravel that road, just a few days before the election; and the people all knew it.

HON. MR. LEA: My hon. friend knows that they didn't over-draw their account. that the vote was not overdrawn the year the Bell Govem- ment ran the election.

HON. MR. STEWART: What nbwt hiflhwoys? $150,000 wasted.

l-ION. MR. LEA: No, not one par- tlclc.

MR. McLEAN: We will leave the Bell Government now. Ifiie Bell a Government is gone. But so far as

H" eXliendlt-ure was concerned it was notfor election purposes. - It was dcne after the election.

HON. MR; LEA: Not in the Pre- mier's district. ‘ ", ,

MR. McLEAN: The road work was nct done in the Premier's district?

HON. MR. LEA: Not after the (lection. It was done previous to the election.

MR. McLEAN: The $7.000 was all expended previous to the election?

HON. MR. LEA: Most of‘ it.

MR. McLEAN: That lsdifferent. I am not much of a debater at any time. Mr. Speaker. and I have not much more to say. It seems that it i was necessary for some one tospcak

on this side in order that we might have the pleasure of hearln an. other quota from the other sl e. We are still waiting for the balance of the Budget; and I am just trying to d0 my duty in taking my turn, as my hon. friends seem to be waiting for us.

HON. MR. LEA: Mllht I ask a Question? We may be a little dense cn this side, but I fall to see who; balance of the Budget my hon. friend refers to. It ls all there.

HON. MR. ance. _ HON. MR. L .' N t t lia 1i all delivered. Tillers i: ngthiilg’ to colnc. V 1.‘,

MR. MoLEANL-Nlall. that la dis- lliholntlng. I thought the Minister cf Agriculture was to‘ be‘ heard ‘rpm.

HON. MR. LEA: ‘Ihiit is no fthe Budget. , us. McLEAN: The Premier didn't finish it. He intimated that my hon. friend the Minister wasgolhg t° b8 "M"! from. and that he was

jrect. f“ '

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millet. As roldailormn grams‘ first. I was not here when the Pro-I lnler made the statement. and it is only hearsay. but 1 think I am cor-l

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Liberal party. In I915 Premier

Act called for n Poll Tax of froml m"“°“°“ “med t“ Pmsa" A“ Iszco to $4.00 as might become ne-i 5mm than: and on that occasmnlcessllry. Like other taxes, it was oll

which has been amended frequently"

the temperance question was taken? lcut of politics and handed over to n‘ |cuuu lssion of clergyman. And I want to say this in regard to the Temperance Alliance, and the hon. member from First Queen's can takc it down and answer it, if he can- that in our district, in the Protest- ant churches in that district. from the time the temperance question lwas handed over to the Commis- sion, there was not one temperance sermon preached, that I know of, until the Sundaymfter Mr. Stewart made his announcement in Charlot- tetown in regard to Government Control. I have spoken to clergy- men and others from different parts of the Province, and they tell me that condition prevailed - generaly. IAs soon as the question was taken tout of politics, the Temperance Al- liance apparently went to sleep on the matter. They had no furtherin- terest in it; but as soon.as Mr. Stewart made his announcement in regard to Government Control they were galvanized into life again in the interests of the Liberal party; and as soon as the Liberal party had won out the very men who were in- dlvidually_ fighting for temperance. and not for the party, were no longer supported by the Alliance.

Liquor and the Federal Government

The remark was made by some hon. memberon the other side, that he did not believe that people could get all the liquor they required from the bootlegger; he did not believe that condition existed at the pre- sent tlme, and he did not believe that condition existed here at any time. I think it was the Minister of Agriculture who made the‘ state- moat. Isuppose he was trying to be fair. but Ipam afraid he‘ is very much mistaken. ' JION. MR. LEA: I was lust quot- lngnths words of a youns men. nlaarctpliw: Well. 1 can; tell my hon. friend that my colleague ma, ‘jaweremotplscted on Gov-l qljzpqent Control because our district‘ 3- qulred any more liquor than any, olher district on the Island. We had an experience in that district from llquofh-allowed to 00m; in by thhZfriends in Ottawa of my hon. frlépds, and to flood the country. It was made tile landing place for this quor. which was brought to ‘Char- cttetcwn and distributed all over the Province. Co ltions were so badthat the people ereyereorfly idWglad to mm up temeotlier Act. and get away from the flljq 0i Prohibition. ‘ . ' hon. mt. LIAI‘ Are ther- Mt l . A . .

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There is just one other matter. i

HON. MR. LEA: It ls correct.

Mr. Speaker. The Educational Tnx

a sliding scale. If you take the larger amount. of course, it is high- er; but not so if we take it at $2.00, whlchwe have as mllch right to (lo.

HON. MR. LEA: No. because there would not be enough money pro- vldedil l -

MR. McLEAN: I don't think you are a good judge of that. (Laugh- ter.) the extravagance of the Stewart Government. We charged the Bell Government for extravagance, and the proof that I have given you shows that the Bell Government was extravagant. The proof you give is that you cannot get along with the revenue we left. with $130,000 more to do t with. We paid for Edu- cation 0,000 a year more than the Bell Government. You cannot to- day help the teachers and you have $130,000 more than ‘the’ Stewart Government, My hon. friend may shake his head, but that is the po- sition he is in. (Conservative up- plauso.)

HON. MR. LEA: It is not correct.

MR. McLEAN: What is not cor- rect?

H N. MR. LEA: We have abo t $30,000 more.-

MR. McLEAN: I mukethisstate- ment. The average receipts of the Stewart Government were less than $700,000, and out of that I have

only

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, n - Liberal friends take at that tImeJn-lmcreased “bsldy “m” Ottawa a m

harping on it for three sessions af-’ $3

v plementcd ‘we reduced the

celving larger salaries than the

MR. McLEAN: lt is not correct,‘

We have heard a lot about|

shown ho hey- cameput. in regaw u", me who‘ present Estlma call fordvnetpendlturc of 5839-999- You are providing for a dcflelt 0f $15,000 in that, so you musl- hl" u» revenue in view of $815.0“- 15 m“ correct? _ y - _ HON. MR. LEA: That is 80ml! for other purposes. l MR. McLEAN: That has nothlnB to dc with‘ it, I am tollnns about the revenue. That is the position as the country will see lt- "W" l9 m; qupt"i;l_ thmworld about that- ~<a~p lapse.) ' can seeftortllem" 'that‘thc wart Government ‘did -mcre;.in those ‘fjthreef depart- ments} havefnientloned. ‘Wet the!’ had'nct iricreated taxes except the Gasoline Tax, which they put on the roads. which. the Bell‘ Government ignored. That was extra expendi- |turc and extra revenue combined. -

. Federal Subsidies.

Concluding his remarks at the evening session, Mr. McLean said: l Mr. Speaker. I was just about fin- lished when the House took recess. ‘I was trying to point out to the Minister of Agriculture at that ltlme that the revenues had been in- lcrcased by over $100,000 due to the

allowing for reduction in taxes, and, he had stated that on account of the} gduction in taxes the incrcascrii revenue only amounted to abouu

0, My reason for making my

statement was the fact that we got $125,000 through the report of thc iDuncan Commission and we got $40.- 000 in lleu'of railway taxes, making" $165,000; and the loss of revenue through lowering the taxes amount- ed" to $34,000. The Premier and our- selves were perfectly agreed in rc- gard to reducing taxes before the ‘last election, ‘because the Premier had staid‘. at the last session, that lie would make an all around reduc- tion in taxes, and we had promised a‘ reduction of taxes in our platform of 1028, and when the Duncan Com- mission report was presented at Ottawa and that part of it was in|- taxes. We do not~thlnk that we made too large a reduction because we had onlyshared up what we thought was properly coming to the taxpayers of the Province, giving them something less than twenty-five per cent. of the increased subsidy and leaving seven- ty-five per cent. in the revenue.

I was also pointing out that after taking off the Poll Tax we continued the affairs of the Province for follr years and we had paid during thosc_ fcur years an ‘average each ycnr to three i different departments of about $75,000 more than the Bell Government, In the Agricultural Departmentwc paid an average of; $8,000; in the Educational Deport- ment, $30,000: and something likc| $30,000 for the roads. Now we are; told that the present Governmcntq with the additional taxation from; the statute labor now converted into taxes, cannot continue. l , I might also point cut that be- sides tllcsc large expenditures we‘ ‘were able during our- period of cfiicc‘ lto make grants to the destitute in| ‘the Province to a larger amount thanj the Bell Government. I have not,’ the exact figures, but it is well? known that the grunts were increas- ed also to our Red Cross and Hos- llpitnls and other institutions of that lkind by the Stewart Government. ‘At the present time we are told by