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~ Chamber. 1H8. April 2. _ e House inloommltioc on lup- with Mr. Hunter in the‘ chair. artment of Agriculture, $51,220 laries, ($1.000)

. Lea. said he noted the Live- k superintendent's salary was . There‘ is no" provision for salarybf a. Deputy Ministlerof "lculture. He understood tin:

JOlfllifld Deputy Minister. Evident- Ul that is in The Guardian re- ing the govemmeni is npt cor-

on. Mr. MacNutt: ‘That is un- idrratlonf” " ‘

Mr; Lea billd there was $1,200 for c. representative. Docs" that indudc- the. man__whoi s supposed to be (coking after the ncw work of promoting- cow testing? Had that lrointment been made? - om Mn-MncNutt: “No." Jlfiflt‘ "What are his duties to be I would expect that he would a pretty full time job. It is intention of the Department ln oting their mform policy to cow testing, it. would be pretty for this man to work as field ntative because I can sec that the ,Dcparlmrill. is malty lightly s . In New Brunswick. whom returns from dairying, livestock everything but hay- are no

"- 26 men employed on the staff. we have an incwase of $150,- in subsidy-yand clear of one

there L! no incrcflrioregri- ‘ re. My hon. friend his intim- that they ore advfincixig policy’ of agriculture.‘ but I

seethgy have no provision ‘for it. Th - ‘is no increase of voieand th _-no new men in the held.

If helnqeputy Minister is being

Minis work will have to be ' flier-given up to office work. s {the Superintendent's work ~ ‘ arricgd on? 1' ceuft see. with the imiuzes that are here, how the ~ jyzyrpcoflslon mule for

pro otiz this reform policy, clear

of e fact that my hon. friend say he goes out to bas-nyards and pro motes it in mivate conversation

.the farmers. A very small pro- por Lon of the farmers in need will e the benefit of my hon.

d’s instruction that way. Not is there provision noymade

promoting the farm policies, hey are actually restricted be- _the most important man in ectionwith that work is to be _ W11, because his time will be

irup. almost altogether, with p work. Instead of a policy of nsicn‘ it is a policy of restric-

BENEFICIAL CHANGE

H . Mr. MacNutt: "Undm- the pre nt arrangement we will have two full‘: time men. Previously we on] had one: the other was just a. p ;rt time man. The work of the field man, principally. will be cow oestng, but a great many other thins will centre. around that. He goes into a community to test cows, and at the same time he can en- gage in other work such as calf club‘ work. advising-on feeding: and other farm lines, His work will bu. ehti Jy_ln the country. He will be link d up with the cheese factor- ies md other farm activities, ,Our prin ipal educational work will be in t e meetings which we will hold tron time to time throughout the cour at different localities. We have had s. great deal ofYencour- mgen nt along that line from the mee ngs already held, and l feel that we have a. great work to do in that regard. it is not at all meas- for our livestock man orDep- ster, if he should becolifi in the ofhce all the

Les thought he saw "the man that was in charge and rc- him by another man!) The r had intimated that hero n new Deputy Minister op-

sefiighcro an indirect

$1; nitric e man that was ,1? him by sn- oop mm. My . friend intim- . ted. vi submit t t ‘y-. en 'wiil not have In

i! Li

- even the" work that was

ll tbl

Tuesday

.pstock Superintendent had been

(‘new Deputy lllistonoe in the mob-vb;

. und our Dev t- .. “ghfmufim- uii .. -. ~ mu ._ l handlers“ *1 ;..- ... 3.. L flffllafiln ' to whom

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ii i - -' ‘- ‘s_Efremlilzuisrdrespunszaizzly Of-Potato- r-Growers.’ -- Association “ejflifficoultijes ‘ On MacMillan Cdiircfrtment End In Ewposure Of His Own Responsibility. u/ienolnofmae; '11. Again Sidesteps (gkglkfllge To’ Soy WhatHe. Would Do If Elected

were not ‘sufldentiy 00W fir-stills, ven slim‘ bonuses and prime .h_nd ; Qwtablished. To make any success of such work, he said. the Government would have tpelglacé flthéllu-“IIIG: man ln the

., » . .. W‘ Qunwar-w he Qflleveifi ., the ,. llvcfil/Qiik 1 industry _co_ifld“'ha.vi'e‘b{en promoted more ac- tively. Between‘ last ycflr._p.rld the year before. cows had decreased fzom 56.000 loidwwaecordlns to the Agricultural Report. What was being done pt that time to promote ' dniryinxi Re could not think of one thing the Government did which W“ MW. in the _way of livestock promotion. There is nothing in the Elstimaies to show that any read effort is being‘ made. The Liberals, on the other, hand. through joint effortsof the provincial and fed- eral. departments, obtained the ser- vices of a federal livestock prom- Oifilfit Dflld by the Federal Govern- men . ~

,' bmivcnrrlorsm mnocioar.

‘Hon. Slurp: ~~“M-y hon, fflevdh m-ionlns is hardly logical, 569M159 I difiilhclily remember, _ a year or two ago, that. lie commend- ed the Government. for the change they had made inbring-lng mm the Department of Agriculture a man who was in every qualified, {Qflilke charge o1’ that Department."

Mr. Lea: "It was an improvement over the previous ypar, o; _¢Quf§g." Hon. lVlIr. Sharp: "He said that the former -,-Mll1i,§to_r, of uigrlcultute ‘was not a farmer: he knew a‘ little about oysterfannlng and fox 1am. 1118. but Iibthlng’ about agriculture; and that the Government had been well advL-cd- when they made a sel- ection from thecld Malpeque Dis- trict and appointed my hon. friend Mr. MacNutt, who'was qualified by ‘R888 o! service and in every other way for that most-important de- pertinent in this Province." (Ap- Plflll-Rc-i Mr: Mnc-Nutt has been giving his full time to the work of the Agricultural Department during the past yennnnd while it 15 no doubt true that Mr. Boultcr, who has severed his connectllnr with iii-at dfllartment. gave a great deal of service to the Department, at the came time he also was man- ager of the Potato Growers. Asso- ciation. and st least. part,of his tune was given to that organiza- tion. He was also secretary of the Exhibition Association, and I be. hove he was secretary of the Dairy Association Wool Growers Mfiwlli-ivfl; so that". the time he had- 1w. to devbtnb the activities of this Department must have been more or less curtailed. We expect

x to put on a field man whowill be

a4 fuiftime man. and who wiirgo out into the districts and do cow testing and other-uwork that was formerly carried on singly and None by tnsrprmu livestock sup- erintendent. .. ,

"It is a. well known fact," contin- Wd MT- 308W. “that owing to the amalgamating process we have not as many cheese factories or butter f ctories as we formerly hdd in this

jovince. One or two 'larg\e' dairy organizations ndw take care of ‘practically all the cream. Conne- qucniiy the dairy superintendcnt ha»; not ‘got-co make the large num- ber of visits he formerly made; and a_ visit to a butter factory, whether ‘it is ldrée or small, takes

a certain limited time. e will now have‘ a certain‘ amount of time to assist _this field man in doing the cow‘tcaf._ing_.olid other work, so that instead of carrying on the De- partment of Agriculture man and n half, as it were.

Agriculture we new" have a.

with what sssistunoe the ibfhM. DQpOrtmIBD/tz-i! -

MR. LENS m...

dis _ ' improvement ma‘

present tllb est hlbltlon of thunder stelling‘ wl1nn the lost. _ {or l

our filnisters hid

gone to a. _ node his V

policies. The" slry kinda-thought

h!

mm; doll-yin; ratlnr than toning. The

for n’: time had been

'nteresizd" in

with a and with a ‘fisherman’ as Minlstcr of full tint.‘ well-qualified former. with a Livestock Superintendent who will also be acting as Deputy Minister. and s full time field man, together dairy superintendent will beable to give

Mr. iellsilfd he whs nbtgolng ute the Minister's suggestion

_ been mude inlthe npgzintnlent ‘of the _ l‘ “W. -_ he hi’: notiégfigle great‘- hnd . made hi one Draft ' Premier

"an-L ul- ~ fi... . . should live run time in other forms of prom-

ty-Mlnlster-io-be

m ‘iqlcwwgiwnlilr Vttodiscus Hen tho your. ; .3 ' g a out but ‘Mi-mu’ ritual-l murm- ‘of "IIMY-"Yiuer mfcnediotho

town. up ls Pxemfq

' Supply

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Mr. Bculter had taken over the duties ofsecretas-y of the Exhibi- tion Association, and thereby he had saved the Government the necessity of givlngthc Association an sdditionljll grunt. But for this move and for the beneficial change in moving the date of the Exhibi- tion one month ahead, he believed the ‘Association would have , gone down. Mr. Boulter had done his work efllciently in every depart- ment. Three or Vfouryears ago he had carried on the work 9f the Potato Growers Association without sclary. It would have been wise for the Government to have continued his appointment for s. while, in yicw of the diflluulties which that Association was, in. '

MLR. LENS “JOKE?

Premier MucMilmn: "I did not intend to discuss thismatter but I see that my hon. friend the leader of the Opposition would not be sat- isfied unless he- drew me into the discussion. It has given him the opportunity to discuss Mr. Boulter, but I want to ‘direct the attention o!‘ the committee to the fact that. just a year ago, the leader of the Opposition advocated the dismissal of flip Deputy Minister of Agricul- ture while the Estimates were go- ing through."

Mr. Lea: “My hon. friend knows that ivas only n joke, and he is not much of a snort to bring that up."

Voices: “Oh. oh!"

v Mr. Lea: “When was that print- ed?"

Hon. Mr. MacKenzie: "You said a saving could be effected}! .

Mr. Ica: “My hon. friends ar poor sports if that is the best ex- cuse they can have. Pretty poor sinus." -

Premier MacMillan: "l submit that the passing of the Estimates is not a time for joking." (Ap- plause) “If the loader of the 0p- posiiion thinks that his remarks of inst year can now be explained nwsy by saying they were ‘n joke,‘ let him keep on explaining. fie used the very same arguments last

tempts to use as an argument against us this year. He said last year that Nova Scotia was dispens- ing with their Deputy Minister of Agriculture, and that. if Nova Scotia could do that, why couldn't we do it?" _

Mr. Lea: "A poor sport.“

Prvmicr ltlaicMillan: “Now he turns around and says that the Province of New Brunswick has n whole crowd of officials in the Ag- ricultural Department: consequent- ly we are making a mistake because we are not following suit." (Ap- - plmice.)

his remarks last year would have any effect at all or not. but I am go- ing to say this, that Mr. Bouli/er was free to make hi; own choice, whether he should remain with the Department of Agriculture or the Potato Growers Association. When the Executive Council of this Pro- vincc sends a communication to an official. asking him for an answer, and that ofllcial ignores the com- munication, then the Government has but one choice in the matter. if it is going plause.) "Mr; Boulter was given an opportunity of saying whom he wished to serve. whether the Gov- emment of this Province, in the capacity of Deputy Minister. or the Association in the capacity of gen- eral manager. He did not do so. I don't‘ know whether he thought

but would hold both positions. In

per or not. . .- .

new policy in operation? You are not spending more money‘, there

v

inrw‘ ich good-can be effected! ~- ; in: rmmmws Answer. ‘He ls very 801161140051.htm‘ the

ture. Bo think: that w on this side of the

ignored- OHIO?

if l has spoken. $3M!“

your which he turns around and at- v

“I am not going to say whether

to govern at all.” (Ap-

that he would do as he did on two several occasions that l k owcof, when he stated hc would not resign

any event, I am content to leave the judlmont of this matter to the Wollle of this Province, whether the course of this Government was prir

"The leader of the Opposition,” continued the Remler. “complain- ed on one occasion that we have nothing how to offer in the Agri- cultural Department. Now he asks us, ‘lfcw are you going to put your

are no new vows, and consequently there can't ‘be much to it.‘ ‘My hon. friend; always nuume that the ‘ex- "pend ture cf money u the omy why

feelings of the inister of Agricul-

_ at Mlfliltfi‘ of Pub-

w.

e ' .,< on.) o'er mu sun-comatose..- vhlnodtnomcwboshonu don 1

when I feel that I an: not ‘able , mun; "or uuslupouuu in my department ofjhll Govern- ment. thank!!! be sliialid to stop v down nnd-"dfiilld luiflcmeono‘ eke inc u» Job." (Increased applause.) . “My hon. friend need not be too uolicltovul.

flanking fortblt Government. and

theaucnuaortbe

" which “wifhateuiom. which

we are now following up md which is meeting with response from the ‘farmers of this Proving whom we wont to mach. Solon: awe have that response, and so long u we lave such attendant); u we have hud at those nnotinu where our policies are being bmugbt home to the people who need them most. thenwoloesatisfiedthstwem moving in the right direction. A few months, probably, will show the wisdom of the action which we have taken."

Mr. Lea: “He i; going to do it like the Prlmefldirllster of Oanadn, when he 11801118 out of omce. Where was his great reform policy four years ago. The lag. mbersl Government didn't wait ll election war tddo it. I ‘didn't say there wasnothbig new in his policy; I said all that was new was cow test- ing, and that would take all the time of the field mm." _ Continuing, Mr. Leo. aglln refer- md to Mr. Boulter and said that his recommendation lust year that the Government dispense with the services of s Deputy Minister of Agriculture was only intended as a joke and it was unfair for the Premier to take advantage of it. Mr. W. H. MacDonald: “Are you joking now?" (Lalllhtelfl)

"an A01‘ or con"

Mr. Lou, not replying, went on t0 sneak of the benefits of the Potato Growers Association, particularly in the year 1929 when they contested the Us. potato duty. He traced the growth and development of the Association. The organization had got into difficulties through frost losses last year. The potatoes were inspected by federal inspectors who should have discovnmd fro“ 10 them before they left the Isiamd. Was it reasonable that the Associa- tion should stand the loss brought. about by "an act. of Gcd" over which no person had any control and-for which no manager or dir- ector should be held responsible. when m», request was made to the bank to allow the organization to goon, Mr. Lea complained, this Government. made no offer of a. gilarantee. They Wore 1'01‘ this guarantee before the campaign had Buy-mg“ n); country that was very hurtful to, the organization.

"becnusey/hén you as); them to Pill up pemonalmoies. then the agita- tion stafts- in the country." If the directors and some of the farmers had not come to the assistance of tire association it would have died l1 natural death. No other govem- ment in Canada. faced with a. sim- ilar situation, wouldhave hesitat- ed in coming to the assistance of a co-operstrve organization as val-y uable as that. Mr. Lles. referred to the western wavh/rat growers who had been guaranteed to the extent of $Z2,000,DOD., . .'-

“Tffly scythe iii-finalization didn't ‘live up to its bylaws.” continued ,M1-_ ma, fwhnt if it didn't? There was $20,000 one year paid to pre- wvmt a duty going on our potatoes in the United States. That took money. Their money was used up for various purposes and was paid ‘nvcr to the farmers. Flcrtilizer was delivered cheaper and potatoes wen’: handled at a very low cost. If the Government would not give a pro- vincial guarantee it was their duty to appeal to the Federal Govern- ment to come to their assistance."

MR. LENS RESPONSIBILITY

Premier MacMlllan: "The dis- cussloui resolves itself into a ques- tion of the Potato Growers Associa- tion and its relation to this Gov- ernment. We have listened to the Opposition leader tell this story cf the growth and development through its years of progress and retrcgres- sion. And as you listen to his story you discover that he who is so ready and so willing to give all sorts or advice, is the vnry one who, when he was in a position to ad- vise helpfully, did not do so. I have no doubt that he attended their meetings as a shareholder. I don't know if he is n director. but I sup- pose he attended rmny of their annual meetings; I wonder what his reaction was when he knew that the shareholders were violating their own bylaws! Did he advise them as one of the sponsors, one of the patrons, of this business, as a Min- isinr of Agriculture whose pretense along nerioultum! lilies knows no bounds-did he soy to them. ‘You arc following a very foolish course; you‘ ve bound yourselves into an 0 , izltlon and taken on certain obligations, and hens. at every sn- nusl meeting you are violotlnl thouelobligatlaxu. and you are pur- sulngibc pen. that loads, slowly but“ surely, to, . when was he but)»; days. when -hc_ might hub was u: t» calamity u. um Alocl on, with sue counsel and _ ‘ use.)~ “He is very ...ct tug up in this House

IIOOIIIII III

coming in, would ithct have been

b new hid-nice $60M. or a-

culhnocrlliy other whens cru-

Ilnk. h the one who spooks for the Government. For thetlnie belnglun

olstenoe for

Ill THIS NUIIIIGT

‘The louder of the Ovwllilon did nothing to avert tho day of disu- ter: but he uys that when that day come this Government did nothing to help the Association and it would have gone auto! ex- did. What

, ‘ ‘ _. 1 gunwvq. the mwv wo- fcxences we bad with them regard-v ing the peculllrpnd moolflodiill- cultiu they Wm facing; it no nothing that this Government had to sot up n. commune?!“ ‘ndlhnéiwto,

ut s gun-on o non-y .- 800 igposder to finance the fertiliser for that Association lut your! If we lad done nothing on iii-wt oc- casion. thcv certainly would law becncutofuistcnnnwchovelet- tors from the Association, thank- ingusforwhn-twedldfortbem. We not only set up i. commission and financed their fertilizer rumin- mcntl. but we saw that the pio- duct was diawhsrd and 0M Ncfit on mo. ‘in was handed over to them, A little later on we put up nnotbei-‘lllmw in finance their spray material. That was doini nothing! Again, this Government put up n guarantee at the bank in order that the Association mint finance this year's business cud carry on. And if they had carried on as they are oarryingonncrunif they had sold their potatoes in- stead of shipping on consignment, and gambling as they WEN (10108 fur years past, they would not be

wg 5m guaranteeing their opera- tions now. and for the third time we have come to the rescue cc! this Association. Those are the respon- sibilities we assumed. We are not prepared to assume the MINI"!- ulty of sun-numb: film J14!‘ debt. incurred u I have explain- ed. In that mutter too. we stand hi our judgment and our lotion be- fore the elect-on of this Province: bet the criticism go when It will.’ (Applause) ,