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ferry plans provided for a ramp golnk to the upper deck. similar to the present arrangement. He did not know of any additional facilities in this connection.

Mr. Dysart: “In connection with the new ferry. are improved ter- minal facilities provided?"

Mr. Gunn: "They are being provided. yes."

Mr. Dysart: “Wlll that affect the method of handling cars?"

Mr. Gunn: “I believe it will." Iiilssai-l he- did not have the de- a .

Mr. Knowles

Mr. L. K. Knowles, CNR. com- mission traffic representative, sub- mitted current rates charged on eight different types of motor vehicles. He also submitted oom- parative rates for motor trucks on vessels operated by railways be- tween various points in Canada and northern United States. to- gether with figures obtained from four different sources used in ar- riving at average weights for var- ious sized trucks of 1. 2 and S-ton capacity.

The. Chairman: "Under the present truck regulations, a Ii-ion truck would be about the heaviest that could be carried on the Bor-

den ferrv?" Mr. Knowles: "On the upper deck. yes. Anythin! in excess of

8.0M pounds must go on a flat zar."

The Chairman: “so from a practical point, of view of trans- portation of goods by truck over this ferry- the limitation of 8.000 pounds makes the movement not worth rv much to a trirtl: car-

rier?" "That would be

Mr. Knowles: right. sir."

Mr. Dysart: "Ia that limitation of 8.000 nounds placed there for any considered reason?"

Mr. Knowles: “As I understand. it ls dangerous to run vehicles of over 8.000 pounds on to the upper deck over the apron."

M?» Dvsart: "In other words it is a structural limitation necessi- YHHWT ‘his vsqulflflnn-j’

W‘ ""‘\"“"I “To As long as the trucks are fully loaded, all of the 2 and ii-ton trucks would have to travel on flat cars. The only“ trucks that could run on the up; per decks would be the one and

"L-fon trucks. ' "‘" ‘ fur-flier questions. jllfltfleansaitLthe 810 charge for

heavier trucks on flat c“, wuuld be equivalent to charges on the mainland for a similar distance In addition there 1.; the y“; that‘ when a truck is loaded on a flat car on the mainland 1t must; be blocked in a much more secure manner than is done on the ferry. There is a blocking chiu-ge 0f $3 for small t/rucks and $4.20 for latte ones. “On the ferry we do the blocking ourselves without chute: it is included in the ‘l0 rate." he said.

Mr. Dysart: "Would it be can "05 t0 58y that if a truck were shipped bv rail within the Mgr]- time ihces on a flat car the rates would be higher than if the car were loaded on the ferry?"

Mr. Knowles: "The total cost would be more.

Other Ferries

Witness referred to figures sub- mitted re truck rates on other railway veseala in Canada, with one or two in the United States. Of flve C. N. R. ferries listed, the average rate ls $5.92 per mile for transporting a 5.000 pound truck. and the general average is $3.04 compared with 60 cents on the Borden-Tormentine ferry for a

truck and $1.00 per mile for a large truck. "So hat I would be safe in saying e raids are comparatively low here consider- ing the railway operation." wit- ness said. “I might point out that seven of the examples of the ten 1 have quoted are for car ferries, and the other three are for rail- way vessels."

In reply to a question. he said the arrangements on the car fer- ries he had referred lo would be "exactly comparable" to those on the Borden ferry.

Mr. Dysart: "Is the method of handling the vehicles on and off comparable?"

Mr. Knowles: “In the seven cases I have mentioned they are all the same. except that they have no facility for travelling on the upper deck at a lower rate: thev must be loaded on flat cars."

Mr. Dysart: "The conditions which pertain in relation to the method of handling cars and trucks on and off the seven fer- ries you mentioned are compar- able to the conditions existing on the P. E. f. ferry prior to the change in providing the upper deck?"

Mr. Knowles: "That is correct."

Mf- Dysartr “What is the posit- ion with regard to the rates on the Borden ferry as compared with the Wood Islands ferry?"

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= Mr. Knowles: "I would never compare unlike wtih unlike."

M11 Dysart: "Do you think it is a fair comparison to make?"

Mr. owles: "I would not think so. Thev are different types of vessels."

Asked if he agreed with. Mr. l\Ialheson‘s claim that a better test as to reasonable rates would

be by comparing charges on trucks between points similarly situated, witness replied in the negative.

Passenger Car Rates

NIB l-hl rein would be similar to s~ movement outside the truck for the same distance?"

- W165i “Yes air. For our plllpose the truck 1a only the militia containing the merchan-

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He presented a statement show- ? heavy movement of cars on e lorry for each day over a two- ruontha period. uyy g 50o waiting

nsportati “ma, *- "dllcllll than trIIIckOE-gtu you willy JIIII have that many [nofg c“; Wfllllflt. unless of course you can got two ferries instead at one." he

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In reply to questions. he ex- Elained that auto tickets were

"Tchangeabla on the Borden and Wood Islands ferry. is was 50116 to help the tourist trade. and 51d "Oi apply to trucks.

Mr. Knowles described as “rath- er fantastic" l-lon. Horaoewright’: movoment (as dmcrlbed by Mr. Wfilht on Wednesday) of struck- load of farm produce to Yar- mouth and return from Middleton with apples. on the costs. On 12.000 pounds of potatoes from Albany. Mr. Wright's nearest station, to Yar- moufh the railway charge would be 56 cents per 100 lbs. or $63.60. The return trip from Middleton. where he picked up the apples. to Albany, would be at a rate or 54 .. or $84.80.. This totalled $1128.40. The average trucking charge. on the other hand, was around 4 cts. per- ton mug, A].

cents

mile. the distance bv highway from Albany to Yarmmith. plus return. would be 804 miles. Witness fig- ured the cost would be 8161.20 plus the 850.00 costs on the car ferry. “Compared with what the railway would carrv it at in both direc- tibpl. it would still cost him $23 more to have his truck there and baolr than what the railway would charge to haul its contents."

Cross examined by Mr. Maths. son. witness conceded that with reference to one car ferry listed in his comparison of rate schedules. trucks were only handled when

other means of transportation were not available. Mir. Mat-heson: "It is only in ar.

emergency that anybody would undertake to pay those charges?‘

Mr. Knowles: "That is quite correct."

Si. John - Dlgby Service

Mr. Mstheson: “With reference to the steamship iine between Saint John and Digrby. N. 8.. are You acquainted with the method

Mr. Dysart: "Do you agree with the contention that the 86.00 rste| on trucks on their own wheels on the car ferry is unreasonable relation to the rate of $2.00 for passenger vehicles on their own wheels?"

Mr. Knowles: "When ryou know the history of this matter I don't think that the $6.00 rate on trucks is unreasonable at all. The rate on wisengei cars and trucks was originally the same - $6.00. Some time after that rate was in- augurated. at the request of the P E. I. Travel Bureau. the rat! waa reduced to $4.00 in order that it might encourage the tourist trade here. Then it was reduced to $3.00 and later to $2.00; a spec- ial rate that was made to help develop the tourist business. To apply that rate to trucks ls an~ entirely different matter."

Mr. Dysart: “Do you hold the view that the present rate on pas- senger cars is a depressed rate?"

Mr. Knowles: “I certainly do."

In reply to the Commission chairman, witness said it would be “almost impossible" 1o say what the space per cubic foot cost for trucks and autos on the ferry at anv particular time.

Witness submitted other statis- tical information regarding truck and auto traffic on the ferry. It showed a ‘striking increase" in tons of revenue freight handled since 1938. Since 1942 particular- ly. the number of vehicles hand- led had steadily increased. There was a considerable increase in trucks both empty and loaded.

Afraid 0f Further Increase

"I am afraid of this tendency." witness added. "I am afraid fur- ther increase in truck movement will interfere with the operation of the ferry in the outbound movement. of potatoes and the in- bound movcment of coal and other necessities for the Island."

In addition. he believed that any reduction in truck rates resulting in increased truck trafllcwould

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"destroy our l.c.l. freight service." Ho filed a statement listing com- modlfies handlcd in freight cars.

The Chairman: "Why should vou move a car containing a truck in preference to a car containing

merchandise?"

Mr. Knowles: "Well. I am not familiar with the priorities. if there are any priorities. I under-

stand it is ‘first come. first serve.‘ In som¢ cases I do believe that they actually give preference to this truck traffic because some- bodv u-anta it in a hu Mr. Dysart: "The railwa menls were held back?" Mr, Knowles: “Yes? Ha went on to discuss the loss of railway gelgi-it resulting from truck traf-

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of handling passenger cars and

rue s Mr. Knowles: "Not personally. I am only going by the rate infor- mation supplied."

Mr. Matheson: “You couldn't tell me whether. when I leave my car at the Saint John wharf. I get my final ticket and I do not handle it on the ship or of! the ship until the car is given to me at Dlgby. or vice versa?"

lVlr. Knowles: "I was not aware of that. no."

The Chairman: “Your suggestion is that the motor car is not driv- en on to the ferry at Saint John or Digby by the owner?"

Mr. Mathwon: "That is right

The Chairman: "That the oar is placed bv the owner at s cer- tain point on the wharf and is taken from there aboard the ferry bv the transportation people. and it is also taken off the ferry at Digbv bv the transportation peo- ple and placed on the wharf or on land at the Digbv side?"

Mr. Matheson: "That ls right. Ann on the Borden ferry. in ad- dition to having to drive my own car on and off. lf I land at the side of the ship and damage my car I would b.- fullv reswnsfble. Is that not so?”

Mr. Knowles: "That is a quea- tion I couldn't answer. I would presume it would be your own loss." Mr. Matheson: “The same re- sponsibility of course would not ob“=in at Saint John."

Mr." Knowles: “Well. I -don't

Mr. Matheson: "Are you sc- oualnted with the fact that panel trucks-small trucks-are consid- ered the same as paasang cars on the Digby-Salnt John ferry and pav the same rate?"

Mr. Knowles: “I don't know whether it is or not. I am only gin-g by the information supplied

me"

(Mr. Matheson submitted a tele- gram from the C. P. R. oflicials regarding this service), The freight rate per truck overall measure- ment was: under l4 ft.. $10 B5: up to 16 ft.. $l3.35:up lo 18 ft. $15.85: over 18 ft.. $1.50 per foot. These rates. he emphasized. applied on a distance of H. miles. on what wu loonaldered a steamship. n a car ferry. operation. .

l-le proceeded to caution wit- nose regarding provisions for handling trucks on other ferries mentioned. He ln-stanced in par- ticular the Victoria-Vancouver service. “That is an ocean ser- vice. rather than s ferrv service.

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ferrv service In the sense that we consider. say. the service at Wood

, ¢- Islands?" Mr. Dysart: "Is it true that dl.s- Mr. Knowles: “I would sav it cue-lions are at present under way was a combination of steamer

between the potato growers and railway officials as to the beat mean-s of handling this season's

"That is what I understand. because I believe it is agreed that there will be a bigger

service and ferry service."

Mr. Matheson: “You said that

we were not comparing like things when we compared the ferry ser- vice at Wood Islands with the fer- 14mm"; rv service st Borden and Tonnen- IIIIIC. WOIIIII IInbG DIODE!’ 0O All‘ p.611“; u) do?"

potato crop than last year." queried 11v the Chairman. wit- ness said there were also aubstan-|

that we are not comparing aimi- lur thin services

gs in comparing car ferry throughout the United

rial livestock shipments from the States and Canada with the ear-l

Province st times.

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moves at through rates on sstricbden. where you have provided fa-g

mileage basis

The Ohsirmsn: "Is there s are-‘

ferrsd raw on some commodities deck

from ‘the Island to the main-t

land?‘ m. Knowles: both ways:

applied to all commodities. ‘the trucks on a flat car. iistance of course is an important examples where the rslc will com- 1,515”?

actor. The ov- goods from Montreal to

The Chairman: "If the truck operator wishes f0 have his truck.

moved by the railway on a wholly '- lmd movement and e truck contains merchandise, do you

make s charge both for the move- ment of the truck and also for the osrrisu of the merchandise contain t y" l

cilltiar for trucks . cars

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and passenger 7&0 be operated on s separate‘

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Mo‘. Matheson: “In the figures you have quoted on a straight per mile baa-ls have you made allow-

ance for the tapering of these rates?" Mr. Knowles: “Yes. On the 44-

mile run between Saint John and Diiibv the rate is 50 cents a mile. whereas ours is 60 eta. a mile. But the tapering runs the other way on other ferries."

L. C. L. Freight

Mr. Matheson: "Do you actually believe that the l.c.l. freight would

originate in Toronto or Montreal?‘ Mr. Knowles: “I don't say all.

but I say we would lose a consid-

erable amount of l.c.l freight." Mr. Matheson: "Take the area

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Can you give us the fiilllfts for the l.c.l. "freight originating our- side that distance?"

Mr. Knowles: “I could have these figures broken down: but -mv general opinion is that there lwould be very much movement from Sackvllle and Moncton."

o .mation that the quantity of l.c.l. lfrelght originating in Toronto and Quebec points is quite large." After further discussion. witness ‘agreed at request of the Commis- sion to have prepared a statement {showing origin and destination of {all l.c.l. freight moved on the Hr lferrv during one average month. Mr. Malkieson: "Have you e figures for ,the amount of freight lcarried across the Strait in trucks 1939?"

Mr. Knowles: "N01" Mr. Mstheson: “From the fla-

Frelght Movement

Mr. Matheaon: "Would it be ahn

urea I have here. out of 202 trucks '

carried across in 1045. 1-61 were on

flat cars." Mr. Knowles: “That ls correct." Mr. Malheson: "In the move-

ment of household goods, do you consider they can be moved short more economically by truck because there is little or no

Mr. Knowles: “Yes? y Mr. Mstheson: "Can you tell me- whv there was an accumulation of freight during the month of

Mr. Knowles: "l don't know." Mr. Matheson: "Could it be hm. cause of the movement of coal? f Mr. Knowles: “I don't think so. because the heavy- movements of October and chairman: "I don't think Mr»

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